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fatdaddycool

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...you can't handle the truth, idiot
I can handle your fat pussy ass and that's the truth, so I guess I can handle it just fine.

Your a racist....truth
You're on the state report for ordering back child support.....truth
Your a fat fucking slob......truth
You lie every single day....truth
Yoy led and said you'd never support Trump....truth
You are the least liked member here...truth
You're dumb and stupid......truth
You'll always be despised......truth
You're still a racist........truth

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It was a typo peach.....meant 30 years ago in last 80's when min wage was 3 something.....so yes; increasing to 15 per hpur is approx 5x what it was while income has barely doubled.

As for BO and the economy......it is lukewarm per his strategy. The growth has been abysmal under his watch the last 8 years. And fwiw.....the market is generally independent of the actual economy but with the rise in the market the last 6 years one would think the economy was growing at the same rate; but its not.

Min wage at 15 per hour is a joke.....then again im in favor of no min wage at all.
You're so full of shit. A typo huh? So you meant thirty years instead of twenty was one typo, then the 5x was another typo, and you meant to say that the $15 minimum wage not the current minimum wage, have I got that right this time or are they're more typos you need to crawfish on again once made a fool of?
You know what $3.35 an hour in 1986 equates to now? Just about $7.30, look familiar? So minimum wage hasn't moved in 30 years in retrospect but you're in favor of no minimum wage correct? Because large corporations such as Eastern airlines, American Airlines, United, TWA, Metra, Continental, insurance companies, Trump, all have shown such a propensity to pay a fair wage. Yeah, brilliant idea, it is it a typo, fucking stooge.

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I can handle your fat pussy ass and that's the truth, so I guess I can handle it just fine.

Your a racist....truth
You're on the state report for ordering back child support.....truth
Your a fat fucking slob......truth
You lie every single day....truth
Yoy led and said you'd never support Trump....truth
You are the least liked member here...truth
You're dumb and stupid......truth
You'll always be despised......truth
You're still a racist........truth

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You are a psycho...truth


Liberalism is a mental disease and you have it
 

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You're so full of shit. A typo huh? So you meant thirty years instead of twenty was one typo, then the 5x was another typo, and you meant to say that the $15 minimum wage not the current minimum wage, have I got that right this time or are they're more typos you need to crawfish on again once made a fool of?
You know what $3.35 an hour in 1986 equates to now? Just about $7.30, look familiar? So minimum wage hasn't moved in 30 years in retrospect but you're in favor of no minimum wage correct? Because large corporations such as Eastern airlines, American Airlines, United, TWA, Metra, Continental, insurance companies, Trump, all have shown such a propensity to pay a fair wage. Yeah, brilliant idea, it is it a typo, fucking stooge.

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You really are a dipshit.....its no surprise you dont realize it.
 

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I am not a psycho but that several things are wrong with that list. Number one, gun sales have exploded in recent years so that isn't even close to being real. Maybe in certain states but not overall. Number two, debt as a percentage of GDP is lower now then under Bush. Number three, in regards to God/religion. Pay taxes and you can put it back in school. Oh and one thing left off the list, socialist countries usually have huge military budgets. Funny how that is left out. ALREADY THERE!

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You are a psycho...truth


Liberalism is a mental disease and you have it
If it separates me from you by intelligence and sense than so be it. I'm glad you think I'm psycho, coming from someone as batshit crazy and catshit stupid as you, that's a compliment

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You really are a dipshit.....its no surprise you dont realize it.
Yeah okay. You make an idiotic statement which you clearly meant to make, get called on it, try to crawfish on it and try to say it's a typo. When the typo explanation is proven to be farfetched at the very least, but most likely an outright lie, you call me a dipshit. Another fine example of your disregard for facts and the attentiveness of the other posters here at madjacks.


I just went back and reread you're post and you're expecting us to believe that an argument you made and expressed twice, and even expanded on the same time frame to bring median income into the discussion, was just a simple little typo?

Yeah, I'm the dipshit. Well this dipshit just caught you in a lie and corrected your numbers so no telling what classification that puts you into.


Frigging clown.

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I am not a psycho but that several things are wrong with that list. Number one, gun sales have exploded in recent years so that isn't even close to being real. Maybe in certain states but not overall. Number two, debt as a percentage of GDP is lower now then under Bush. Number three, in regards to God/religion. Pay taxes and you can put it back in school. Oh and one thing left off the list, socialist countries usually have huge military budgets. Funny how that is left out. ALREADY THERE!

:0003
Agreed and good points JT.

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Yeah okay. You make an idiotic statement which you clearly meant to make, get called on it, try to crawfish on it and try to say it's a typo. When the typo explanation is proven to be farfetched at the very least, but most likely an outright lie, you call me a dipshit. Another fine example of your disregard for facts and the attentiveness of the other posters here at madjacks.


I just went back and reread you're post and you're expecting us to believe that an argument you made and expressed twice, and even expanded on the same time frame to bring median income into the discussion, was just a simple little typo?

Yeah, I'm the dipshit. Well this dipshit just caught you in a lie and corrected your numbers so no telling what classification that puts you into.


Frigging clown.

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Actually you're a dipshit in general.

But specifically to this point, its not a surprise that you cant comprehend typing 20 instead of 30 on a samsung galaxy.

Every number i posted matches but let me try again to make is easier for you; peach:

30 years ago min wage 3 something
Today proposed min wage is 15
Equals 5x increase

Today median income is barely 2x than it was 30 years ago

Look....i didnt need 8000 words to respond!
 

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From The Sandpit...

From The Sandpit...

From The Sandpit...





A very interesting read, a Marine's View of what is really going on. This young man is articulate and has a flare for colorful language, and descriptive prose, Scorpions, Chiggers & Sand Fleas. It?s a great letter, a must read for every American citizen.





From a Recon Marine in Afghanistan:


From the Sand Pit





It's freezing here. I'm sitting on hard cold dirt between rocks and shrubs at the base of the Hindu Kush Mountains, along the Dar'yoi Pamir River, watching a hole that leads to a tunnel that leads to a cave. Stake out, my friend, and no pizza delivery for thousands of miles.





I also glance at the area around my ass every ten to fifteen seconds to avoid another scorpion sting. I've actually given up battling the chiggers and sand fleas, but the scorpions give a jolt like a cattle prod. Hurts like a bastard. The antidote tastes like transmission fluid, but God bless the Marine Corps for the five vials of it in my pack. The one truth the Taliban cannot escape is that, believe it or not, they are human beings, which means they have to eat food and drink water. That requires couriers and that's where an old bounty hunter like me comes in handy.





I track the couriers, locate the tunnel entrances and storage facilities, type the info into the hand held, and shoot the coordinates up to the satellite link that tells the air commanders where to drop the hardware. We bash some heads for a while, and then I track and record the new movement. It's all about intelligence. We haven't even brought in the snipers yet. These scurrying rats have no idea what they're in for. We are but days away from cutting off supply lines and allowing the eradication to begin. But you know me; I'm a romantic. I've said it before and I'll say it again: This country blows, man. It's not even a country. There are no roads, there's no infrastructure, there's no government.





This is an inhospitable, rock-pit shit-hole ruled by eleventh century warring tribes. There are no jobs here like we know jobs. Afghanistan offers only two ways for a man to support his family, join the opium trade or join the army. That's it. Those are your options. Oh, I forgot, you can also live in a refugee camp and eat plum-sweetened, crushed beetle paste and squirt mud like a goose with stomach flu, if that's your idea of a party. But the smell alone of those 'tent cities of the walking dead' is enough to hurl you into the poppy fields to cheerfully scrape bulbs for eighteen hours a day.





I've been living with these Tajiks and Uzbeks, and Turkmen and even a couple of Pashtu's, for over a month-and-a-half now, and this much I can say for sure: These guys, are Huns, actual, living Huns. They LIVE to fight. It's what they do. It's ALL they do. They have no respect for anything; not for themselves, their families, or for each other. They claw at one another as a way of life. They play polo with dead calves and force their five-year-old sons into human cockfights to defend the family honor. Just Huns, roaming packs of savage, heartless beasts who feed on each other's barbarism. Cavemen with AK-47's. Then again, maybe I'm just a cranky young bastard.





I'm freezing my ass off on this stupid hill because my lap warmer is running out of juice, and I can't recharge it until the sun comes up in a few hours. Oh yeah! You like to write letters, right? Do me a favor, Bizarre. Write a letter to CNN and tell Wolf and Anderson and that awful, sneering, pompous Aaron Brown to stop calling the Taliban "smart". They are not smart. I suggest CNN invest in a dictionary because the word they are looking for is "cunning". The Taliban are cunning, like jackals, hyenas, and wolverines. They are sneaky and ruthless, and when confronted, they are cowardly. They are hateful, malevolent parasites who create nothing and destroy everything else.





Smart? Bullshit! Yeah, they're real smart, Most cant read, but they've spent their entire lives listening to Imams telling them about only one book (and not a very good one, as books go). They consider hygiene and indoor plumbing to be products of the devil. They're still trying to figuring out how to work a Bic lighter. Talking to a Taliban warrior about improving his quality of life is like trying to teach an ape how to hold a pen. Eventually he just gets frustrated and sticks you in the eye with it.





OK, enough. Snuffle will be up soon, so I have to get back to my hole. Covering my tracks in the snow takes a lot of practice, but I'm good at it.





Please, I tell you and my fellow Americans to turn off the TV sets and move on with your lives. The story line you are getting from CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and other liberal news agencies is utter bullshit and designed not to deliver truth but rather to keep you glued to the screen so you will watch the next commercial. We've got this one under control. The worst thing you guys can do right now is sit around analyzing what we're doing over here. You have no idea what we're doing, and you really don't want to know. We are your military, and we are only doing what you sent us here to do.





From a Jack Recon Marine in Afghanistan, Semper Fi.





"Freedom is not free, but the U.S. Marine Corps is paying most of your share".





Send this to YOUR FRIENDS so that people there will really know what is going on over here.





God Bless America.





PS Why would any civilized country want to bring these barbarians into their cities or states. To do so is total suicidal insanity!
 

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maybe im missing sumptin, seems simple to me
raise min wage to 15, person making 15 now gets 25, all wages rise
prices doubles, poverty level doubles
my disality ck stays same, my $ in banks-which i worked hard for & sold bizes, stay same-interestwill never double it
so im fucked

original thot but took 30 min to type
lookin n2 buying a eye operated keyboard & speech generated device which costs 15 K but if min wage is raised it will be 30K
 

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maybe im missing sumptin, seems simple to me
raise min wage to 15, person making 15 now gets 25, all wages rise
prices doubles, poverty level doubles
my disality ck stays same, my $ in banks-which i worked hard for & sold bizes, stay same-interestwill never double it
so im fucked

original thot but took 30 min to type
lookin n2 buying a eye operated keyboard & speech generated device which costs 15 K but if min wage is raised it will be 30K



http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/the-bitter-lesson-from-seattles-minimum-wage-hike/



Rasing the minimum wage is one of those wonderful-sounding ideas that, whenever tried, unfortunately never quite works the way it was promised. To its credit, the Washington Post has noticed.

The Post recently highlighted a new study from a group of economists who were commissioned by the city of Seattle to look at that city's minimum wage hike from $9.96 an hour to $11.14 an hour. What they found was enlightening.

To begin with, the economists said, some of the workers weren't helped at all, since their pay would have likely gone up anyway with experience and tenure on the job.

But the city didn't bargain for what happened to other workers it had sought to help: "Although workers were earning more, fewer of them had a job than would have without an increase," the Post said. "Those who did work had fewer hours than they would have without the wage hike."

Indeed, depending how it's calculated, the economists found that the minimum wage hike that sounded so generous when passed resulted in somewhere between a $5.54 a week raise and a $5.22 a week reduction in pay.


In comments that sounded as if they came straight out of an Econ 101 text, the Post concluded that "Increasing the minimum wage increases the costs of hiring workers. As a result, employers must accept reduced margins or customers must pay steeper prices. If employers cannot stay in business while paying their staff more, they will either hire fewer people or give their workers fewer hours. As a result, even if wages per hour increase workers' total earning could decline."

That's exactly what happened. And as University of Washington economist Jacob Vigdor, one of the authors of the Seattle study, noted, some businesses simply avoid paying the minimum-wage tax altogether by automating and letting low-end, unskilled workers go ? as is now happening in some fast-food chains and at supermarkets.

A call for a massive hike in the minimum wage, forcing sharply higher wages on troubled local economies where the median wage is low can have a devastating effect.



The tragic irony of this is that those who are worst hurt by a higher minimum wage are those with little education or training, mostly minorities, immigrants and the young. They get priced right out of the labor market by the well-meaning nanny-staters who want to impose a one-size-fits-all minimum wage on the entire country ? regardless of the damage it does.

It's really a matter of basic logic. Any time someone raises the price of something ? anything ? those who consume it use less, all things being equal. That also happens when government requires businesses to pay more for labor than the market demands. In doing so, government helps to create unemployment, idleness and long-term dependence on welfare, especially for the most vulnerable people in the workforce.

The folks at the Legal Insurrection blog site really nailed the rancid politics of it: "Yes, Obama and Democrats are aware of this, and no, they do not develop policies that address the reality of minimum wage hikes and their measurable failure; instead, they focus on 'feel good, sound good' policies that appease the masses, harm businesses, and displace workers."

By the way, Jared Bernstein, formerly Vice President Joe Biden?s chief economist, noted Wednesday at the Washington Post that the Seattle study seems to suggest no harm from hiking the Seattle minimum wage from $9.50 to just over $11 an hour.

Well, it?s true that Seattle?s economy has done pretty well in recent years, due largely to the spillover effects of a regional tech boom. And that means some jobs have been created, despite a higher minimum wage.

But the study?s authors themselves say: ?We strongly caution that these results show only the short-run impact of Seattle?s increase to a wage of $11/hour, and that they do not reflect the full range of experiences for tens of thousands of individual workers in the City economy.?

Moreover, other studies on a national level suggest that minimum wage hikes can be major job killers. A University of California at San Diego study showed that when the federal minimum wage was lifted to $7.25 from $5.15 in 2013, it cut employment of those earning less than $7.50 an hour by 8%. That?s 1.7 million fewer jobs nationally, and a decline in average monthly income of $100.

So what will happen when Seattle raises its minimum to $15 an hour in 2017? It could be ugly.

That this destructive policy is a plank in a major political party's platform is nothing short of a national disgrace.




Well duh



Anyone that has owned or worked for a small business knows that labor is almost always an employers largest cost.. Usually there is no more room in the budget.. Owners are not going to dig into their own pockets.. If you have 3 employees at minimum wage you will instead find a way to get by with two..
 

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Actually you're a dipshit in general.

But specifically to this point, its not a surprise that you cant comprehend typing 20 instead of 30 on a samsung galaxy.

Every number i posted matches but let me try again to make is easier for you; peach:

30 years ago min wage 3 something
Today proposed min wage is 15
Equals 5x increase

Today median income is barely 2x than it was 30 years ago

Look....i didnt need 8000 words to respond!
No dude, you don't get off that easy. You fucked with me until this day because of a small part of a post that was also inconsequential, and you were a flat out dick about it. It's exactly why we argue now and are always at each other, which is fucking ridiculous in my opinion. I'll let it go because I don't care to continue this petty fucking argument. You can call me all the names you want man, just know that turn about is fair play and I'm taking the high road from this point forward. You can either just agree to not like me and be civil, as I'll do, or you can choose another path. You choose.



Hope this helps,
FDC

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http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/the-bitter-lesson-from-seattles-minimum-wage-hike/



Rasing the minimum wage is one of those wonderful-sounding ideas that, whenever tried, unfortunately never quite works the way it was promised. To its credit, the Washington Post has noticed.

The Post recently highlighted a new study from a group of economists who were commissioned by the city of Seattle to look at that city's minimum wage hike from $9.96 an hour to $11.14 an hour. What they found was enlightening.

To begin with, the economists said, some of the workers weren't helped at all, since their pay would have likely gone up anyway with experience and tenure on the job.

But the city didn't bargain for what happened to other workers it had sought to help: "Although workers were earning more, fewer of them had a job than would have without an increase," the Post said. "Those who did work had fewer hours than they would have without the wage hike."

Indeed, depending how it's calculated, the economists found that the minimum wage hike that sounded so generous when passed resulted in somewhere between a $5.54 a week raise and a $5.22 a week reduction in pay.


In comments that sounded as if they came straight out of an Econ 101 text, the Post concluded that "Increasing the minimum wage increases the costs of hiring workers. As a result, employers must accept reduced margins or customers must pay steeper prices. If employers cannot stay in business while paying their staff more, they will either hire fewer people or give their workers fewer hours. As a result, even if wages per hour increase workers' total earning could decline."

That's exactly what happened. And as University of Washington economist Jacob Vigdor, one of the authors of the Seattle study, noted, some businesses simply avoid paying the minimum-wage tax altogether by automating and letting low-end, unskilled workers go ? as is now happening in some fast-food chains and at supermarkets.

A call for a massive hike in the minimum wage, forcing sharply higher wages on troubled local economies where the median wage is low can have a devastating effect.



The tragic irony of this is that those who are worst hurt by a higher minimum wage are those with little education or training, mostly minorities, immigrants and the young. They get priced right out of the labor market by the well-meaning nanny-staters who want to impose a one-size-fits-all minimum wage on the entire country ? regardless of the damage it does.

It's really a matter of basic logic. Any time someone raises the price of something ? anything ? those who consume it use less, all things being equal. That also happens when government requires businesses to pay more for labor than the market demands. In doing so, government helps to create unemployment, idleness and long-term dependence on welfare, especially for the most vulnerable people in the workforce.

The folks at the Legal Insurrection blog site really nailed the rancid politics of it: "Yes, Obama and Democrats are aware of this, and no, they do not develop policies that address the reality of minimum wage hikes and their measurable failure; instead, they focus on 'feel good, sound good' policies that appease the masses, harm businesses, and displace workers."

By the way, Jared Bernstein, formerly Vice President Joe Biden?s chief economist, noted Wednesday at the Washington Post that the Seattle study seems to suggest no harm from hiking the Seattle minimum wage from $9.50 to just over $11 an hour.

Well, it?s true that Seattle?s economy has done pretty well in recent years, due largely to the spillover effects of a regional tech boom. And that means some jobs have been created, despite a higher minimum wage.

But the study?s authors themselves say: ?We strongly caution that these results show only the short-run impact of Seattle?s increase to a wage of $11/hour, and that they do not reflect the full range of experiences for tens of thousands of individual workers in the City economy.?

Moreover, other studies on a national level suggest that minimum wage hikes can be major job killers. A University of California at San Diego study showed that when the federal minimum wage was lifted to $7.25 from $5.15 in 2013, it cut employment of those earning less than $7.50 an hour by 8%. That?s 1.7 million fewer jobs nationally, and a decline in average monthly income of $100.

So what will happen when Seattle raises its minimum to $15 an hour in 2017? It could be ugly.

That this destructive policy is a plank in a major political party's platform is nothing short of a national disgrace.




Well duh



Anyone that has owned or worked for a small business knows that labor is almost always an employers largest cost.. Usually there is no more room in the budget.. Owners are not going to dig into their own pockets.. If you have 3 employees at minimum wage you will instead find a way to get by with two..
I own a small business and I pay far better than $15 an hour

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