Gay men adopt...........

[kosar]

Eddie,

LOL

Kickserve, yeah, I don't know where the f*ck djv is coming from, saying that it would be ok for them to adopt a girl, but not a boy because they would 'stick it in a boys ass'. Of course DJV, homosexuality = pedaphilia/rapist. That's some whacked out stuff.

And don't hold your breath waiting for freeze to give you any sort of coherant answer to your question.

 

[marine]

So which is it? Are the "lifestyles" we lead a result of genetic alterations or are they formed from the series of choices we make while growing up?

Is an alcoholic really an alcoholic because it is a "disease" and it is in their genes to be dependant on alcohol or is it based on the decisions they made as a person to indulge in alcohol and form a dependancy on it for whatever, physiological or phyiscal problems and upbringing they had? Or is it a simple lack of will power to know when to say when and put down the bottle?

Are people gay because they want to be or because that is the way they were born? I seem to recall, about 3 years ago when you looked around society it was "chic" to be gay and/or bi. Everywhere you looked there were boys kissing boys and girls kissing girls because it was the trendy thing to do. The media was all over it and it spread in popularity to be "bi". Then the media let the horse out to pasture when they got their fill of it and it is no longer "chic" to be bi. So what happened to all these young gay hip people? They followed the media circus to the new fad of the day.

Are they gay because of their upbringing? Did they have a troubled childhood and were unsuccessfull with members of the opposite sex and the dejection made them turn to the same sex for acceptance?

How come the majority of women that you see parading around and proclaiming their gayness are usually 200+ pound heffers?
Why dont we ever see any stereotypical "beautiful" women marching at these rallies?

Were does this gay gene/trait stem from? Does it lie dormant in generations only to pop up every 3rd generation?

What is the next fad going to be? Mid to late 80's it was interracial dating, the 90's led us to same sex relationships, now the 00's lead us to same sex parenthood. What's next?
And if you are going to deny that the media has no part in promoting or instigating these types of behaviors, please.... chime in here and I would love to debate that one with you.

 

[fatdaddycool]

You know what, none of you have even the slightest idea of what the hell you are talking about.

Every one of you talk about the sexual preference of the two men and how they "got" that way, or about the ridicule they would receive.

Let me tell you all something....I would have loved for someone, anyone for that matter, to get me out of the loveless, parentless, options that I was presented as an orphan. Every one of you can kiss every bit of my ass. Nobody in an orphanage cares about your feelings on gay adoption. They care about chocolate, and rides on a roller coaster. They all care about going to school on a bike instead of a bus. Every kid in that orphanage wants to be introduced as somebody's son or daughter, regardless of sexual orientation. I know. I lived it, my entire childhood. Yea you guys are right, foster homes are great. Being called an orphan by every kid in school is great, and guess what you, all knowing, judgemental, "real" parents, the jibes and barbs, and insults that I suffered every day came from your kids!!!!!! The ones you super dooper straight people are raising all the time. Gimme a fuhking break, what deadbeat hypocrites. How dare anyone tell a child he doesn't have a chance at a real home because some auto mechanic from Trenton doesn't like Dad's lifestyle. I am straight, have a daughter that I raised by myself and is now in college. She has been taught to respect all people in all walks of life because she is one in the same. We are all the same species of animal and just because you have the ability of reason, and thought doesn't give you the right to decide on anything that affects the chances of a baby being given the one thing that EVERY kid in the world needs more than anything else. A loving caring caregiver. Next time you decide on what is best for someone that you are not, keep them in mind. Unbe"fuhcking"leivable.

 

[Stuman]

Well marine I think most women are a couple of beers away from a gay experience. I think gay women are a bad example for this discussion. (unless you are talking about the REALLY gay, man-hating, wallet carrying, man's haircut, hiking boot, plaid shirt type gay women)

 

[ozball]

Marine,

my personal opinion on this matter, is that there are some people who could bat for either team, and when it is trendy, may choose that. Famous examples...Bowie, Mick jagger...etc. I think that the majority of gay people have far less control over their orientation, and it is not a "choice"

Freezie is getting genetic and "from birth" mixed up. There may be prenatal influences that have nothing to do with genes that determine orientation. There may be early childhood parenting styles that shape things...

As someone already atated...while occasionally "trendy", it would be a very difficult life path to choose, and men through the ages, even in the face of extreme persecution have chosen it.

cheers

ozball

 

[kickserv]

sheesh.......so now it's the media

you really think a guy in his early teens is going to choose to be gay because the media says so.........ummm if ya haven't paid attention......being gay comes with a tad more crap then being straight..........why would anybody on this earth possibly choose being gay over being straight :shrug:

if everybody had a choice nobody would choose to be gay......I mean get real........


oh and guess I'll ask you the same question.........when did you choose to be straight?

I myself am thinking about being gay now......I'm going to turn on CNN and make my decision by tomorrow........I'm kinda bored actually......think I'll make the following choices within the next 24 hours:

1) I will choose OJ for my breakfast instead of milk
2) I will choose to wear khakis instad of jeans next time I head out

and........

3) I think I'll get myself some dick......yep it's been 28 years...but think it's time for a change.......I now choose dick.....yep sounds good

 

[Bluemound Freak]

Let me ask.........when the fuhk did it become some sort of bad thing to have morals that you can stick to? When did it become some sort of finger pointing issue to be a "Bible Thumper"? When did it become so damn cliche' to jump on the guys that don't approve of gay people? I don't jump on them because they are gay.......I don't gay bash.........I have never even been mean to a gay person.......but I don't have to like the fact that they are gay and all the PC mumbo jumbo in the world can not camoflague the fact that I think it is wrong, the bible says it is wrong and the plain fact that it is not natural should be enough for me to form an opinion on the matter and be done with it!

I don't hate em I just don't understand it and don't like it and it is as simple as that!

How many of you jackass's that are talking shit here today are alcoholics and how the Fuhk can you even pretend to know what it is about? If you are then my prayers are with you.......If you are not then listen closely! I am an alcoholic and I think there is a far cry, a far cry difference in the gay thing and the drunk thing OK! I made my ownself an alcoholic drinking evertime I could untill I could not stop drinking when it was time and yes I feel a little bit on the pre-disposed side because both of my grandfathers are alcoholics! But I don't think that this is the case with Gay's.

And for the what JC said about the neighbor being black and his wife being hispanic was just to lay down the card and trump anybody who was going to pull the race card out and try to use it this early in the game!

 

[djv]

Kosar LOL. I only wanted to protect that 10 year old. I understand it's none of my business what some may do with there lives. But two gays that went through some chit to live togeather. Then want to add another problem by rasing a kid.
They should learn from them selfs it's a tough world of chit out there to putt that kid in. No reason for it at all.

 

[marine]

ahhhhhhhhhhh so now we are sterotyping even further... gay women vs gay men and the rigors of alcohol impaired judgement.

 

[kickserv]

and fatdaddycool..........couldn't put it any better myself...well done

 

[fatdaddycool]

DJV,
If you see a streak of light go flashing by.....that was the point that you missed.

Blue,
What is wrong with bible thumping is; that it is exactly the same thing you are bashing gays for. You are a religious man, he is gay. You feel that you have God on your side because of what you read in a book, and don't try to tell me that the bible is anything more than that because it only is to you! You or others, go around witnessing for your church and yet a gay woman cannot witness for her rights?

Let's all be very clear on one thing: Holding a bible does not give you anymore power, respect, or knowledge of what is right or wrong.

Your morals are your own. The bible is a great novel, the idea of it being fiction or non-fiction is strictly up to the individual. Just as sexual preference is.

I find it laughable that nobody even ventures to mention tne children in the matter, although I feel that some will now. Which is, of course, exactly what you would expect from any judgmental hypocrite that realizes that the path of thier argument did not even address what is the core of the subject. Adoption of children, not lifestyles, kids, babies. Little minds with tummies the size of a baseball and hearts empty of the love you were all given as a child. If you had a broken home, are you better able to judge? What about a Catholic, are you best able to judge? How about a well -to-do white medical student? Maybe, the guy over there, standing by the door of the bail release door at the county jail waiting for Elroy jr. to get released, he spits out his tabaccky and asks jr. why he kicked that gay fellers ass and didn't kill him so he couldn't talk.

"I was looking out for the kid", now that is rich.

 

[kickserv]

another point for fatdaddy.......

"Holding a bible does not give you anymore power, respect, or knowledge of what is right or wrong."


man how true is that :clap:



and yes I agree.....the bible is nothing more then a BOOK with some STORIES nothing more.............


and yep........I said it 5 times already.........who cares if gay or not...if good parents then that's all that matters.........

 

[fatdaddycool]

thanks kickserve, I agree with you 100%

 

[SixFive]

Your morals are your own. The bible is a great novel, the idea of it being fiction or non-fiction is strictly up to the individual. Just as sexual preference is.

Sexual preference, I'll agree that's what it is. Morals are not your own, you either have them or you don't, and being a Christian is not a prerequisite for having morals. Some of the most genuine, nicest, and morally pure people I have ever met in my life are no more religious than kickserv. Heck, Bill Clinton is a Christian. Think what you will about the Bible and Christianity and religion in general, nothing I can say will sway you, and that's why I'm certainly not a bible thumper. I can have an intelligent discussion about it, but I learned a long time ago people aren't going to convert because you say, "The Bible says so!!" People have to want it first, and if they don't, that's their choice as there's plenty of information out there and people who will talk to you about it.

 

[fatdaddycool]

Morals are not your own, you either have them or you don't, and being a Christian is not a prerequisite for having morals. Heck, Bill Clinton is a Christian.

Morals are absolutely your own, what one man thinks as reprehensible I may view as a minor detail. Neither point of view is more morally correct only weighed on different scales due to different environments. To say Bill Clinton is a Christian, as if to say that he is more or less
divine than the next man, due to your perception of his actions, is you exercising your own moral belief system. Mine may not be as stringent yet they are still my morals. I have morals, absolutely. Does believing in the death penalty make me less moraled or unmoraled than yourself or others? Does the fact that I could care less about Bill Clinton's sexual deviance or lack of discretion make a difference? I know that you are a highly principled man, but don't confuse those with morals.
FDC

 

[Bluemound Freak]

Not saying that holding a bible gives me anymore power.....Take a look back and see if I said that anywhere! What I did say is that I don't like the idea......Now that is pretty simple!

I said what I said about the bible thumper because that is how six five's point was discounted and I think that is pretty damn narrow minded to discount someone's opinion because he or she may have a strong christian background......that is my point!


Here is my argument........I know of people that have a hard time adopting children because of the same reasons that haunt my past such as drug and alcohol problems and other reasons. People that have messed up in the past and now will never be blessed with children, people who have changed! And then some PC shit loaf decides to give two gay men a child to raise as their own like it is some kind of damn pet......It aint right and I don't care how you look at it or point your damn finger at me for saying it! It pisses me off!

 

[dr. freeze]

Dr Freeze said...

....and most psychiatrists will tell you that homosexuality is an abnormality which should be treated just as pedophilia, depression, schizophrenia are as well....

Freeze, this is just plain wrong....as a medical professional it is embarrassing to the profession that you would make a statement like this.

ozball

words straight from the mouth of the chairman of my psychiatric dept....

 

[kickserv]

SixFive said:

"but I learned a long time ago people aren't going to convert because you say"


well said.......just wish more "bible people" would take that attitude



and it would be interesting to ask a child stuck in some shelter what he'she would want........I don't think they would have any problem being welcome in a gay home........if I'm say 12 and all alone, and I have this great home that welcomes me........I'm there.....and that's the bottom line..........who cares what daddy does in the bedroom if he's a good dad

 

[kickserv]

sheesh....hate to be on that psychiatrists couch.........wow...what is this 1903 or 2003???.........chair of the department huh......wow....talk about outdated


and still waiting for you to answer my question

 

[dr. freeze]

Really dr.? I'm suprised at your view on gays. So its a problem? Hmmmm. Do you know any gays that have "overcome" their problem? I don't. Anybody else? I didn't think so. I always thought gays had a chemical imbalance of some sort, and the hormones that are responsible for their sexual drive are out of whack. Yea...I'm sure a few therapy sessions will straighten those gays right out. I'm going to let my gay cousin know that his problems are over!

I'm suprised at you dr.

Stuman

yes....i have met them before..met a guy who was a homosexual for 15 years then was fed up and worn out with the life....turned his life around and now has 5 kids.....

went through years of counseling....

there are many of them out there by the way....

you are ignorant if you only get your information from one point of view like many of you do.....

you are also ignorant when you insult the Bible....a lot of you are putting yourself in a very dangerous place with some of the words you say....in a blashphemous place....a place where you feel like you yourself can disprove that God exist and that the Bible is His Holy Word.....

If you think you have the means to disprove such a thing go ahead....or have the arrogance to try go ahead.....

But hey I am not gonna judge your heart...we all have arrogance problems....but I am just saying you are taking a risk when you pass judgements about who God is and who He isn't....and judgements about His Word -- that is between you and God.....

but nonetheless it offends lots of people who have faith in it....and it offends and hurts me personally

hey i want all gays to get best treatment they can....in the 1970's the gays put an extreme amount of pressure and infiltrated the psychiatric profession to change the definition of homosexuality from a disorder to a variant....this was based on baseless science and is the only psychiatric condition which has been treated as such...other sexual disorders -- pedophilia, masochism, etc. are still classified as disorders and rightly so....

most psychiatrists recognize how their science was railroaded for a political action group's agenda and will tell you that it is indeed a disorder and should be treated....