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They could have one of the coldest winters, I have no idea how they already have had the coldest winters when winter is not two weeks old.

Also most of the experts that are calling for it and you are agreeing with believe in global warming.

So what is it there hedge, how is it the coldest winter when its two weeks old?

And if you agree with them on this how do you disagree with the experts on global warming?
 

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Now that Copenhagen is past history, what is the next step in the man-made global warming controversy? Without question, there should be an immediate and thorough investigation of the scientific debauchery revealed by ?Climategate.?
If you have not heard, hackers penetrated the computers of the Climate Research Unit, or CRU, of the United Kingdom's University of East Anglia, exposing thousands of e-mails and other documents. CRU is one of the top climate research centers in the world. Many of the exchanges were between top mainstream climate scientists in Britain and the U.S. who are closely associated with the authoritative (albeit controversial) Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Among the more troubling revelations were data adjustments enhancing the perception that man is causing global warming through the release of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other atmospheric greenhouse gases.
Particularly disturbing was the way the core IPCC scientists (the believers) marginalized the skeptics of the theory that man-made global warming is large and potentially catastrophic. The e-mails document that the attack on the skeptics was twofold. First, the believers gained control of the main climate-profession journals. This allowed them to block publication of papers written by the skeptics and prohibit unfriendly peer review of their own papers. Second, the skeptics were demonized through false labeling and false accusations.
Climate alarmists would like you to believe the science has been settled and all respectable atmospheric scientists support their position. The believers also would like you to believe the skeptics are involved only because of the support of Big Oil and that they are few in number with minimal qualifications.
But who are the skeptics? A few examples reveal that they are numerous and well-qualified. Several years ago two scientists at the University of Oregon became so concerned about the overemphasis on man-made global warming that they put a statement on their Web site and asked for people's endorsement; 32,000 have signed the petition, including more than 9,000 Ph.Ds. More than 700 scientists have endorsed a 231-page Senate minority report that questions man-made global warming. The Heartland Institute has recently sponsored three international meetings for skeptics. More than 800 scientists heard 80 presentations in March. They endorsed an 881-page document, created by 40 authors with outstanding academic credentials, that challenges the most recent publication by the IPCC. The IPCC panel's report strongly concludes that man is causing global warming through the release of carbon dioxide.
Last year 60 German scientists sent a letter to Chancellor Angela Merkel urging her to ?strongly reconsider? her position supporting man-made global warming. Sixty scientists in Canada took similar action. Recently, when the American Physical Society published its support for man-made global warming, 200 of its members objected and demanded that the membership be polled to determine the APS' true position.

What do the skeptics believe?

First, they concur with the believers that the Earth has been warming since the end of a Little Ice Age around 1850. The cause of this warming is the question. Believers think the warming is man-made, while the skeptics believe the warming is natural and contributions from man are minimal and certainly not potentially catastrophic ? la Al Gore.


Second, skeptics argue that CO2 is not a pollutant but vital for plant life. Numerous field experiments have confirmed that higher levels of CO2 are positive for agricultural productivity. Furthermore, carbon dioxide is a very minor greenhouse gas. More than 90 percent of the warming from greenhouse gases is caused by water vapor. If you are going to change the temperature of the globe, it must involve water vapor.

Third, and most important, skeptics believe that climate models are grossly overpredicting future warming from rising concentrations of carbon dioxide. We are being told that numerical models that cannot make accurate 5- to 10-day forecasts can be simplified and run forward for 100 years with results so reliable you can impose an economic disaster on the U.S. and the world.

The revelation of Climate?­gate occurs at a time when the accuracy of the climate models is being seriously questioned. Over the last decade Earth's temperature has not warmed, yet every model (there are many) predicted a significant increase in global temperatures for that time period. If the climate models cannot get it right for the past 10 years, why should we trust them for the next century?
Climategate reveals how predetermined political agendas shaped science rather than the other way around. It is high time to question the true agenda of the scientists now on the hot seat and to bring skeptics back into the public debate.
Neil Frank, who holds a Ph.D. from Florida State University in meteorology, was director of the National Hurricane Center (1974?87) and chief meteorologist at KHOU (Channel 11) until his retirement in 2008.
 

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Drudge headlines

Drudge headlines

:142smilie :sadwave:

Temps Plunge to Record as Cold Snap Freezes North, East States...
CHILL MAP...
Vermont sets 'all-time record for one snowstorm'...
Iowa temps 'a solid 30 degrees below normal'...
Peru's mountain people 'face extinction because of cold conditions'...
Beijing -- coldest in 40 years...
World copes with Arctic weather...
 

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I don't know if I believe in all this Global Warming stuff myself.. I have talked to an expert who totally agrees with it but I am not totally convinced. Saying that...

This thread encourages someone to post how global warming is true the next time this country has a heat wave or drought in the summer time..
 

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I don't know if I believe in all this Global Warming stuff myself.. I have talked to an expert who totally agrees with it but I am not totally convinced. Saying that...

This thread encourages someone to post how global warming is true the next time this country has a heat wave or drought in the summer time..

Al the FRAUD Gore has stayed SILENT since the E-Mail Scandal, he has much to LOSE if this FRAUD is EXPOSED.


JMHO.
 

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Al the FRAUD Gore has stayed SILENT since the E-Mail Scandal, he has much to LOSE if this FRAUD is EXPOSED.


JMHO.

I don't really want to change the subject but you are pist about Al's E - mail scandal but you ignored the Bush E - mail scandal. Where is the consistency? Also, I don't necessarily believe in Global Warming but I can't totally disprove it either.. AL Gore never invented the Global Warming hypothesis. You guys act like he invented it..This theory has been a long for quite a while now..
 

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I don't know if I believe in all this Global Warming stuff myself.. I have talked to an expert who totally agrees with it but I am not totally convinced. Saying that...

This thread encourages someone to post how global warming is true the next time this country has a heat wave or drought in the summer time..

my point is its not caused by SUV's and plastic bags
 

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I don't really want to change the subject but you are pist about Al's E - mail scandal but you ignored the Bush E - mail scandal. Where is the consistency? Also, I don't necessarily believe in Global Warming but I can't totally disprove it either.. AL Gore never invented the Global Warming hypothesis. You guys act like he invented it..This theory has been a long for quite a while now..

Al Gore is INVESTED in the Carbon Credit game, you don't have to believe me, GOOGLE it.

TIA
 

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Media Ignore Al Gore?s Financial Ties to Global Warming
By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
March 2, 2007 - 09:58 ET

As NewsBusters reported here, here, and here, there are huge dollars to be made from global warming alarmism. However, conceivably no one is better positioned to financially benefit from this scam than Dr. Global Warming himself, former Vice President Al Gore, a fact that the media will surely not share with Americans any time soon.

Yet, if America?s press would take some time out of their busy schedules covering the earth-shattering details surrounding Anna Nicole Smith?s demise, they might find a deliciously inconvenient truth about the soon-to-be-Dr. Gore that is significantly more fascinating and diabolical than anything likely to emerge from that courtroom in Broward County, Florida.

As reported by Dan Riehl (emphasis mine throughout):

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Former Vice President Al Gore has built a Green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to play on Gore's terms. And the US portion is headed up by a former Gore staffer and fund raiser who previously ran afoul of both the FEC and the DOJ, before Janet Reno jumped in and shut down an investigation during the Clinton years.


Think Katie, Charlie, or Brian will be all over this tonight? Regardless, that was just the tip of the questionably melting iceberg as reported by Bill Hobbs in Nashville, Tennessee:

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[H]ow Gore buys his "carbon offsets," as revealed by The Tennessean raises serious questions. According to the newspaper's report, Gore buys his carbon offsets through Generation Investment Management:

Gore helped found Generation Investment Management, through which he and others pay for offsets. The firm invests the money in solar, wind and other projects that reduce energy consumption around the globe...


Gore is chairman of the firm and, presumably, draws an income or will make money as its investments prosper. In other words, he "buys" his "carbon offsets" from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself. To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy "carbon offsets" through Generation Investment Management - he buys stocks.


Fascinating. So, as Dr. Global Warming travels the world in his private jet while spending 20 times the average American on energy for his home, all the time telling us its okay because he?s buying carbon offsets, he?s actually purchasing these investments from himself.

Furthermore, and maybe more important, Gore stands to benefit financially in a potentially huge way if more and more people buy into this junk science.

Isn?t that special?

Yet, it is not clear that Gore?s money is going to purchase carbon offsets at all. Riehl reported:

Here's a list indicating what it takes to make money along with Al. Funds associated with these companies have placed millions of dollars under Al Gore's control. And, as you'll see below, Gore's selection for the US President of GIM might raise a few eyebrows as well.

AFLAC INC - AQUANTIVE INC - AUTODESK INC - BECTON DICKINSON & CO BLACKBAUD INC - GENERAL ELECTRIC CO - GREENHILL & CO INC - JOHNSON CTLS INC - LABORATORY CORP AMER HLDGS - METABOLIX INC - NORTHERN TR CORP - NUVEEN INVTS INC -STAPLES INC - SYSCO CORP - TECHNE CORP - UBS AG - VCA ANTECH INC - WATERS CORP - WHOLE FOODS MKT INC


According to their own documents, GIM intends to invest in, or buy companies poised to cash in on Global Warming concerns.


Putting this in perspective, for years the left and their media minions have posited that George W. Bush started war with Iraq to benefit the company Vice President Dick Cheney used to run, Halliburton, as well as Bush?s oil tycoon friends. In fact, there have been times when you couldn?t swing a dead cat in any pressroom in this nation without hitting a reporter working on such a story.

Yet, as the former Vice President continues to plug global warming as a coming crisis in need of immediate attention, the same media completely ignore his obvious financial conflicts of interest.

No liberal media bias there.

However, as Riehl pointed out, this story is even juicier:

To add insult to injury, Gore chose Peter S. Knight, an old friend and colleague some are sure to recall, as the US President of GIM.

Peter S. Knight, formerly Managing Director Met West Financial, lawyer, Chief of Staff for Senator Al Gore (D-TN) from 1977-1989, and Campaign Manager for President Clinton's successful re-election in 1996, is President of Generation U.S.


This would be him: Reno Rejects Inquiry Into a Clinton Aide

Atty Gen Janet Reno decides against any further investigation of Peter Knight, Pres Clinton's 1996 campaign manager in connection with office building development in nation's capital; such an investigation could have led to naming independent counsel to look further into activities of Knight, who is also former top assistant to Vice Pres Al Gore.


Yes, thanks to Janet Reno, no one ever found out how $20,000 in stock turned up in an account for Knight's then 13 year old child.

Dispute over Democratic Party campaign-financing shifts to Zachary Knight, 13-year-old son of Peter S Knight, Clinton-Gore campaign chairman in 1996, who was given $20,000 in stock by William Haney 3d, chairman of Molten Metal Technology Inc; Republicans believe gift, which came after father was named chairman of campaign, was really payment to Knight, who had worked as $7,000-per-month lobbyist for company; Knight denies involvement in any impropriety; photo


Riehl accurately asked:

If Gore's motivation in pushing Global Warming is so altruistic, was it really necessarily for the already wealthy Gore to establish a multi-million dollar corporation in England to cash in? And given the history of Gore and Knight, are these people we should trust to drive a re-vamping of the world economy at the same time they're lining their pockets because of our much smaller carbon footprints?


Riehl marvelously concluded:

If Al Gore is successful with this latest scheme, Gore and his cronies are going to be much more $green$ than most of the earth. And the only green in this for you and me is the kind that accompanies envy as Gore trucks around on private jets putting dollars to offset his extravagance into a cash machine generating profits on the backs of the middle class with misrepresented science that doesn't deserve to be called science at all.


Meanwhile, a complacent media, rather than hounding Gore over his financial conflicts of interest, continue to shill for this conman?s junk science.

When you add it all up, this is a flimflam of epic proportions:

?First, Gore sets up a company that will invest in other companies that will benefit from global warming alarmism
?Second, Gore gets some Hollywood types to fund and produce a movie designed to scare the c-c-carbon out of the population
?Third, Gore travels the world promoting this movie, while pushing the view that a cataclysm is imminent if the world doesn't immediately act
?Fourth, an adoring media falls for the con hook, line, and sinker. Rather than debunking the flaws in the theories, the media promote every word of it while advancing the concept that Gore's views represent those of an overwhelming majority of scientists
?Fifth, scared governments and citizens across the globe invest in alternative energy programs driving up the shares of companies Gore's group has already invested in
?Sixth, Gore and his cronies make billions as they laugh all the way to the bank at the stupidity of their fellow citizens
America -- what a country!

?Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.
 

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Al Gore is INVESTED in the Carbon Credit game, you don't have to believe me, GOOGLE it.

TIA

I do believe you but again where is the consistency from your posts?:shrug: I didn't see you bitching about Cheney who is heavily involved financially in 3-M and then he encourages the nation to go buy Duct tape and promotes his company.. Or how about the BIG BUSINESS that Bush pushed to profit... I am not a fan of Gore either, but I can't disprove global warming either too..
 

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I don't think it is either but what the hell do I know? I am not a scientist? And I don't think you are either?

amateur scientist;) I think global warming is bullshit, its all about getting your money, mother earth heals itself
 

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amateur scientist;) I think global warming is bullshit, its all about getting your money, mother earth heals itself

Why don't you understand that global warming causes extremes? These posts that show how cold it is everywhere is, only shows how little you have even read on the subject.
 

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Why don't you understand that global warming causes extremes? These posts that show how cold it is everywhere is, only shows how little you have even read on the subject.


global warming causes extremes,:142smilie do you think I am as stupid as you are
 
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