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[ssd]

Like I said, educate yourself on Gary Johnson and you will understand my positions better.

I do not agree with him 100% but on most.

I am a strong fiscal conservative and moderate social liberal.

I believe in programs to help struggling people - i do not believe in fraud or the waste of tax dollars.

I disagreed with the bailouts. Companies, banks - big and small - should have been allowed to fail - if the business was worth doing, someone else would have come along to start a new one.

Look at Iceland for example. They did it correctly.

All the bailouts have done is extend the pain and will make the pain worse. You can not reduce debt by adding debt. Greece has been in bailout phase for 3 years now and things are worse than they were. Spain is headed there as well.

GM - stock is over 30% off its IPO price. NOTHING was changed in their bankruptcy except the bondholders got screwed and the union got ownership stake. GM was given a huge cash infusion but no contracts were re-negotiated to make their products profitable.
IMO - GM will need another bailout or they will go bankrupt in the future.

 

[StevieD]

Without Obama Care how would his employees get health insurance? Would they be without insurance and Papa John would expect ME to pay for their Health Care when they show up at the ER?

 

[ssd]

You will be paying for it under Obamacare. You were not before.

Before, the hospital took the loss on the uninsured.

Now, the taxpayers will.

Bend over, Stevie - here it comes.

 

[StevieD]

You will be paying for it under Obamacare. You were not before.

Before, the hospital took the loss on the uninsured.

Now, the taxpayers will.

Bend over, Stevie - here it comes.

I don't know about that. Without Obamacare Health Insurace Rates were out of control Rising sometimes 40% a year....and covering less. Plus not so sure the hospitals took the loss. Pretty sure it was all part of the rising costs of service. Or, because of guys running businesses like Papa John, our hospitals would be closing up shop.

 

[Duff Miver]

You will be paying for it under Obamacare. You were not before.

Before, the hospital took the loss on the uninsured.

Now, the taxpayers will.

Bend over, Stevie - here it comes.

Damn, ssd....I KNOW you're smarter than that.

Hospitals don't take the loss treating the uninsured. They tack it on to the bills of the insured and out-of-pocket payers.

If you've been paying health insurance premiums, you won't have t bend over so much anymore.

Have you been drinking too much?

 

[Duff Miver]

How many poor people create jobs?

ssd, ssd. Please, put the bottle down. It's making you say stupid things.

How many poor people create jobs?

Here's a brief list of poor/middle class folks who created millions of jobs:

Bill Gates
Steve Jobs
Warren Buffett
Sam Walton
Henry Ford
Dave Thomas

And, starting out @ 200 pesos a week, Carlos Slim.


Now, about those rich "job creators". Tell us, how many jobs have Mitt Romney, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, all rich folks, created in the past year? five years? ten years?

Hell, ssd, you're blowing smoke up yr own ass.

 

[Mags]

Damn, ssd....I KNOW you're smarter than that.

Hospitals don't take the loss treating the uninsured. They tack it on to the bills of the insured and out-of-pocket payers.

If you've been paying health insurance premiums, you won't have t bend over so much anymore.

Have you been drinking too much?

As usual, Duff is wrong again.

If you've been paying premiums in the past, you'll be paying much, much more.

Sure, in the past the ER for the uninsured would get cost shifted to private (insured) people. Now, it will not be just ER costs, but doc costs and most importantly, prescription drugs. How many folks you know over 40 that aren't on prescription drugs?

Add to this the expansion of Medicaid to 133% of the FPL (was 100%). Medicaid pays a very low reimbursement rate - and most of these folks didn't have coverage before - so even more cost shifting to the private insured people.

Of course, you have the tax increases - most notably the additional Medicare taxes and capital gains taxes.

And, of course, who is going to pay the subsidy for families making $90K or less, that will help them (or completely buy) their health coverage? Yep, us the taxpayer.

Most actuarial studies (including Milliman's in OH) show the individual market (non group) premiums will increase 40-60% in 2014, to account for all the new market entrants (who have pent up health care demand) and the additional cost shifting that will occur. An average of 50% overnight - due SOLELY to the implementation of Obamacare.

Small group premiums are forecast to increase 20%+... again, due to Obamacare.

And, with age neutral rating being required (read, men pay more so women pay less - even though women are actually using the additional services) and age rating being limited 3-1, if you are a young person, you rates will go up even more than the percentages shown above (and older folks will see a slight deduction). Which is crazy, as younger people tend to have lower incomes to pay for the insurance, while older folks tend to be higher income.

Yea, this is going to save money on premiums :nono:

 

[Duff Miver]

But....is Maggot's mommy still kissing his winkie?

What say you, Maggot?

 

[ssd]

I believe I read somewhere that US govt reimburses hospitals to the tune of $20 Billion a year to help cover uninsured.

If all the costs are transferred to paying customers, why then are hospitals closing?


Is this more ass smoke? I don't think so but thanks for playing Duff.

http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf

or here:

http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/content/LED-247175/Uninsured-Patients-Flood-Public-Hospitals-Putting-Them-at-Risk-Says-Survey.html


If poor people are creating jobs, why are you so concerned with the Papa John's founder cutting jobs? He's a rich guy who does not create jobs.....who cares if he axes a few - there is some poor dude creating jobs in his basement somewhere.

I find it funny that your list of job creators are multi-millionaires/ billionaires. If they did not become rich, do you think they would be employing people? Creating millions of jobs?

NO.

 

[Duff Miver]

More smoke and bs from ssd and the Maggot.

Here, try some facts for a change:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/opinion/keller-five-obamacare-myths.html?pagewanted=all

 

[Duff Miver]

I find it funny that your list of job creators are multi-millionaires/ billionaires. If they did not become rich, do you think they would be employing people? Creating millions of jobs?

NO.

My list is of folks who started with little or nothing and created millions of jobs. THEY WERE NOT RICH TO START WITH.

Got that?

Now tell us, just one more time, how many jobs the already rich Romney, Limbaugh and Beck created last year.

 

[Mags]

More smoke and bs from ssd and the Maggot.

Here, try some facts for a change:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/opinion/keller-five-obamacare-myths.html?pagewanted=all

As usual, you are being a POS... no surprise.

The board (and likley the world) would be so much better off without you. Thank God you are old.. it shouldn't be much longer.

Such a miserable prick you are.

 

[Mags]

Duffie... here is some facts on all the increased cost drivers of Obamacare, that will affect individuals and families....

Now, here are actual facts:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/09/obamacare-increases-health-insurance-premiums

Not that it takes a rocket scientist to realize that: covering more people, and paying for more people's insurance via our taxes, and bringing on a less healthy population will signficantly increase health care costs for the country.

Even a dolt like you, Duff, at your age, can maybe understand that. If the math gets hard, just use your fingers - and if that is not enough, then add in the folds in your neck and your double chins....

 

[Duff Miver]

Duffie... here is some facts on all the increased cost drivers of Obamacare, that will affect individuals and families....

Now, here are actual facts:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/09/obamacare-increases-health-insurance-premiums

Not that it takes a rocket scientist to realize that: covering more people, and paying for more people's insurance via our taxes, and bringing on a less healthy population will signficantly increase health care costs for the country.

Even a dolt like you, Duff, at your age, can maybe understand that. If the math gets hard, just use your fingers - and if that is not enough, then add in the folds in your neck and your double chins....

Maggot, you are profoundly, irrevocably, stupid.

The Heritage Foundation? A fountain of right-wing diarrhea. Just your sort of "source".

Here are the FACTS from the CIA World Factbook.

Every advanced country in the world except the USA has taxpayer financed universal health care.

Every one of those countries has lower per capita health care costs.

1 United States 7,960 17.4
2 Norway 5,352 9.6
3 Switzerland 5,144 11.4
4 Netherlands 4,914 12.0
5 Luxembourg 4,808 7.8
6 Canada 4,363 11.4
7 Denmark 4,348 11.5
8 Austria 4,289 11.0
9 Germany 4,218 11.6
10 France 3,978 11.8
11 Belgium 3,946 10.9
12 Ireland 3,781 9.5
13 Sweden 3,722 10.0
14 Iceland 3,538 9.7
15 Australia 3,445 (2008) 8.7 (2008)
16 United Kingdom 3,487 9.8

Every one of those countries has more healthy populations.


Infant mortality rate: http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=91#table

Life expectancy:
http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=91#table

Now go away. Crawl back under your rock. I don't have the patience to tolerate your absolute and intentional ignorance. Or your vile mouth.

 

[Mags]

Maggot, you are profoundly, irrevocably, stupid.

The Heritage Foundation? Purveyors of lies.

Here are the FACTS

Every advanced country in the world except the USA has taxpayer financed universal health care.

Every one of those countries has lower per capita health care costs.

1 United States 7,960 17.4
2 Norway 5,352 9.6
3 Switzerland 5,144 11.4
4 Netherlands 4,914 12.0
5 Luxembourg 4,808 7.8
6 Canada 4,363 11.4
7 Denmark 4,348 11.5
8 Austria 4,289 11.0
9 Germany 4,218 11.6
10 France 3,978 11.8
11 Belgium 3,946 10.9
12 Ireland 3,781 9.5
13 Sweden 3,722 10.0
14 Iceland 3,538 9.7
15 Australia 3,445 (2008) 8.7 (2008)
16 United Kingdom 3,487 9.8

Every one of those countries has more healthy populations.


Infant mortality rate: http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=91#table

Life expectancy:
http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=91#table

Now go away. Crawl back under your rock. I don't have the patience to tolerate your absolute and intentional ignorance. Or your vile mouth.

Yea, I know you want your freebie - give me, give me, give me.

Of course, don't forget that we have the fattest country (all you have to do is look in the mirror), high drug usage, and low intelligence (again, look in the mirror).

You know nothing about how the health care system works. You have no special insight - you just pull up liberal statistics and spew them out.

But I understand, it is not your field of expertise. You probably never had anything you were good at.

Other than name calling on an anonomous posting board. That does appear to be your only skill.

 

[Duff Miver]

- you just pull up liberal statistics and spew them out.

"Liberal Statistics?" From the CIA World Factbook?:0074 That may be the most hilarious thing I've read this year. Yes, Maggot that's exactly where those facts came from.:142smilie


Do you ever have even the slightest clue, Maggot, how absolutely ignorant you really are?

You're in way over your head, Maggot. You get your ass handed to you and don't even know it.

Chill out, Maggot. Do something you're intellectually capable of - turn on Glenn Beck and masturbate. Better yet, turn on Anderson Cooper, get educated and masturbate. :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[ssd]

Laugh MY ASS OFF!!!

You call the Heritage Foundation a fountain of right wing diarrhea and then QUOTE AND LINK AN ARTICLE FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES!!!!

OH - THAT IS RICH!

So, Duff - are you trying to float the lie that Limbaugh and Beck and Romney did not make themselves rich? Because that is an out and out lie. THEY WERE NOT RICH TO START WITH EITHER, MORON!!
All three of them are self-made men - probably moreso than some of the ones you list who were helped out with loans from friends and famliy.

You spew so much liberal crap. And your signature move is to personally attack people and deflect from the truth.

Many of those countries you list also have the highest debt load too. I wonder why?

I hope you live long enough to see your Keynesian liberal bullshit monetary policy implode in all of its glory. Perhaps that will be the epiphany you need to realize all the bullshit you have believed for so long was all wrong.

Fight the good fight, Mags. I've got better ways to waste my time.

 

[Duff Miver]

Laugh MY ASS OFF!!!

You call the Heritage Foundation a fountain of right wing diarrhea and then QUOTE AND LINK AN ARTICLE FROM THE NEW YORK TIMES!!!!

Nope. I called the Heritage Foundation a fountain of right-wing diarrhea and then quoted the CIA World Factbook.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, eh?

Romney, Limbaugh and Beck are rich now. Where are the jobs they have created with that wealth? What are they waiting for - more tax breaks?

(ssd responds; "uuuuuh, duuuuh")

Maggot would like to fight the good fight. Problem is, he's as defenseless as you vs Joe Frazier.