Houston Cop shot in the back at traffic stop
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Thank you for responding FDC I appreciate it.....
We're now into day 7 of this mess with people on both sides of the fence....We have a video, we have reports but still no one from "The Top" that has the balls to come forward and explain what happened and what should have happened that night and there lies the problem......We expect a cop to be perfect in a 7 min video yet we can't get a statement over 7 days to state if the office was or wasn't within his rights under law....Truly sad, and people wonder why there's so much hate......It's hard to have/receive respect when the guideline are so vague all around.....:0008
You love to pontificate when the topic is someone held down by the man but when someone asks you a legitimate question to which you can't think of a response that supports the little man, you respond with absurdities like the above.
What the hell does it matter what she's wearing? I don't care if she had on ski clothes or was naked, that part doesn't matter. She wasn't walking away. Her and her friends came up and mouthed off to the officer when they were told to leave the scene.
How can you bring up "let's say a private resident or one of the boys present did that to her right in front of the cop?" Are you being serious saying that? That's apples and oranges and if you don't understand that then a great number of the dumb ass things you say make sense now.
It all comes down to respect and the lack of respect we have for everything in this country. Which has been building for a long time.
About 40 years ago I got a job working for a company that had pinball machines. It was still my first week on the job and I was sent to replace a manager of a store in a black neighborhood.
The place filled up with teens and young 20's fast. I was the only white face in there. It was getting loud and things were clearly out of control.
Some kid broke open the coinbox in one of the machines. At this point it was wall to wall people.
I grabbed him and threw him against the door. Bad move. He started wailing on me. As did everyone else. I covered my head, in a rope a dope stance and made my way back to the cage. They gave a good pummeling. No one was trying to kill me they just got their licks in.
The manager of the bar next door came in. Told me to stay in the cage he was going to call the cops.
This one cop shows up. The beat cop. He had his night stick out. But he walked through the crowd. They all got quiet and parted open for him to get to me at the cage.
As he asked me if I was ok. And I said I was. They all left the building Quietly. Almost like sneaking out.
My point is this one cop was enough to clear the building. No one wanted to confront him.
Probably aftraid their mothers or parents would beat the crap out of them.
Things have changed.
About 40 years ago I got a job working for a company that had pinball machines. It was still my first week on the job and I was sent to replace a manager of a store in a black neighborhood.
The place filled up with teens and young 20's fast. I was the only white face in there. It was getting loud and things were clearly out of control.
Some kid broke open the coinbox in one of the machines. At this point it was wall to wall people.
I grabbed him and threw him against the door. Bad move. He started wailing on me. As did everyone else. I covered my head, in a rope a dope stance and made my way back to the cage. They gave a good pummeling. No one was trying to kill me they just got their licks in.
The manager of the bar next door came in. Told me to stay in the cage he was going to call the cops.
This one cop shows up. The beat cop. He had his night stick out. But he walked through the crowd. They all got quiet and parted open for him to get to me at the cage.
As he asked me if I was ok. And I said I was. They all left the building Quietly. Almost like sneaking out.
My point is this one cop was enough to clear the building. No one wanted to confront him.
Probably aftraid their mothers or parents would beat the crap out of them.
Things have changed.
exactly right. and I am glad you have a personal example to show the huge difference of back then and now.
some people choose to be oblivious to the fact that it isnt a race issue, it is a respect issue. they keep playing the race card because they have some agenda against "the man".
bottom line is todays young people have a total lack of respect for authority.
So the cop did not come barrel rolling into the store and draw his weapon?
See I think its a two way street, kids have less respect for police and police have less respect for the people they protect and serve.
My now 22 year old daughter came home from school one day with a D in gym when she was in 7th grade. I asker her how can you fail PE? She said that lady is not going to tell me what to do. I asked her what lady and what was she telling you to do. She said dress out for PE.I told her that lady was her mother and dad when she walked though those school doors. We had no more problems. Now, having said that, I know the next question is going to be what would I have said if the teacher had handcuffed her and threw her to the ground? Apples and oranges. Stuff like that never crossed our minds. Thank goodness we never have had an instance were she was confronted by the cops. Some might say she has lived a bored life. On another note, when I was in high school my mom told me if I ever got caught doing anything illegal , I was going to stay in jail,and I believed her.
You know what man, I wasn't even addressing you. While I realize this is a public forum, I don't recall my response being rude. You choose to take two points of interest out of a lengthy explanation of my answers to a specific question into an opportunity to demean me and my belief? You're advocating for violence against a teenager because you think she was being disrespectful and the first thing you say to me is rude and disrespectful?
Maybe you should hold yourself to the same standards as you're holding the teens in the video to?
We don't live in a police state. Police are not allowed to use force without cause. It's not legal to do that. Mouthing off, not immediately complying with an illegal directive is not against the law. The cop said "I told you to get your fucking asses on the ground". Much like you chose to be rude and arrogant towards me, you both initiated a rise in tensions. Creating a scenario exchanging the officer for a private citizen is not unreasonable at all. Especially when you consider that the law applies to all citizens in all professions in all scenarios.
You don't have to like the fact that the girl is within her rights to stand on any public sidewalk, including HOA sidewalks, and protest the actions of anything they want, but you have to respect it. You choose to believe a couple reports that kids were being disrespectful vandals, that overran a private pool, good for you. Just show me where you see that in the video?
Tell me where you specifically see a crime being committed by any of the teens, more specifically, the girl, on the video?
Tell me who you see being the most unreasonable and excited human in the video?
Were the officers there to investigate a crime or keep the public peace?
Were the police there to break up the party or investigate a reported fight between two women?
Was he establishing a crime scene? Did he arrest any of the teens for any crimes?
So tell me, please, what exactly it is that this girl did that was so egregious that warranted an officer to initiate deadly force against her?
Try doing it without being rude though.
I look forward to hearing your answers.
Hope this helps,
FDC
This whole thing has gotten out of hand.....Why do you think it's so hard for someone to step up and say what is acceptable/lawful behavior in situations like this and what is not.....I realize they (state/local) are worried of law suits but the law is law am I right?.....From a State/Local stand point this should be cut and dry......Seems to me this officer acted on this situation as he was trained, if not someone needs to step forward and say this is where the error was....:shrug:
Okay, if he was acting as he was trained, why were the other officers not echoing his behavior? Why was the other officer that spoke to the person recording the event calm and collected while in the background Casebolt is going all royal rumble?
I'm starting to think that u were the DJ at this event & youre pissed the cops broke up the party & u lost your gig. :SIB. Only thing I can think of for u continuing 2 defend underage drinking, pot smoking & kids trespassing by jumping over fences to get to a private pool.....well it's Friday nite so hope u got another gig 2nite & things go smooth this time for u.
Cheers all. I'm heading to happy hour. :00hour
Oh you saw this all happen huh? All in the video? Funny there was not a single attest for under age drinking or pot smoking?
Starting to think you're actually dumber than you portray yourself here. Let us know how happy hour was. Make sure you drive drunk on this fine Friday.
Wow. That's some response hoping I drink & drive. Wow. That's all I can say. :shrug:....
Well to all the normal people out have a good Friday. I'm done w this clown.
Jesus, settle down.....I was asking why hasn't someone higher up stepped to the plate and ironed this shit out, it's been 7 days.....this cop has 7 mins to make a decision, why can't the people that pull the trigger call it one way or another.......everything doesn't need to be racist and every question doesn't need to be a fight, relax.....:0008
Just follow a simple order and none of this would have happened. It's not that hard.
It's not about black or white, young or old. It's a trend in our society. Many just go out of their way to challenge authority.
The officer obviously should have used a different approach, but I cannot side with the girl in this case.
Now what about the people that want to press charges against the officer? What the fuck do you want? You want money? You want the guy to be arrested? You want him to do some time to teach him a lesson? Dude has already quit his job and has his family in hiding. What exactly do these people want, but more importantly, WHY?
It's not about black or white, young or old. It's a trend in our society. Many just go out of their way to challenge authority.
The officer obviously should have used a different approach, but I cannot side with the girl in this case.
Now what about the people that want to press charges against the officer? What the fuck do you want? You want money? You want the guy to be arrested? You want him to do some time to teach him a lesson? Dude has already quit his job and has his family in hiding. What exactly do these people want, but more importantly, WHY?
Exactly, everyone wants a pound of flesh.....If anyone had the balls to step up and tell everyone these are how the laws work, and this is what is expected when an Officer speaks or this is your right when approached things may calm down....how tough is this to figure out....:shrug:
You expected butterflies and bow tie pasta when you insult me and don't even know me.
I didn't hope for you to drink and drive, I was just speculating. It's just like when you said there was underage drinking and pot smoking. So I guess you got what you gave.
Bottoms up!
