them kids were animal no respect for authority plain and simply !! there a few who obey the the cops !!
the democrats are a waste of american society
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America?s war on Black girls: Why McKinney police violence isn?t about ?one bad apple
Here's a fairly articulate article that addresses many of your concerns.
Many have been quick to dismiss or make excuses for the shocking video out of Texas. Here's the truth of the matter
In just over two months, we will commemorate the 10th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, a natural disaster that ravaged communities along the Gulf Coast. This tragedy was made infinitely worse not only by decades of governmental neglect and far-ranging poverty, but also by the fact that so many Black people could not swim.
That nearly 60 percent of Black people cannot swim is directly attributable to decades of segregated pool facilities in this country. While that problem ostensibly went away with the desegregation efforts of the mid-20th century, de facto segregation of pool facilities persists to this day, because community pools are now largely private amenities in suburban neighborhoods that many Black youth don?t have access to.
This is the backdrop of the troubling and traumatizing incident that occurred in McKinney, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, over the weekend, when 19-year-old Tatiana Rose threw a pool party and invited several friends to use the community pool in her neighborhood. Many of those friends were Black, and many of those Black friends also live in the neighborhood. At some point, as Tatiana says in a video interview, two white adult women began yelling at her and her friends to ?go back where they came from,? ?back to section 8 housing,? and calling them ?black fuckers.? When a 14-year-old girl responded, the women further ridiculed her, prompting Tatiana to tell the adults that the girl was 14 and their comments were inappropriate. According to Tatiana?s account, the white women then approached her; one ?hit her in the face? and the other began participating in the attack.
According to reports, multiple calls came into police. At least one call came from either Tatiana, her mother (who was present) or her friends, reporting that these white women had attacked the partygoers. Other calls came in from residents who reported that many Black children who were unauthorized to be there were there and fighting. Apparently, the party got larger and some children jumped over the fence to get to the party.
When the McKinney PD showed up, Officer David Eric Casebolt arrived on the scene out of control. He yelled and cursed at teenagers, who were unarmed, many of them wearing swimming trunks and bathing suits. He approached a 14-year-old girl and wrestled her to the ground as she cried and called for her mom. Even after she was seated, crying and clearly subdued, he grabbed her braids, demanded that she get on her face, and then kneeled on top of her where he remained for several minutes. It is unclear what this child did to elicit such ire, but what she did not do was verbally threaten the officer, wave a gun at him, or present a physical threat ? as she is, by the look of it, just around 100 pounds, and he is a fully grown man.
When her friends attempted to come to her aid, the officer drew his gun, and waved it at them wildly and haphazardly, prompting two other officers to come over and indicate that this was inappropriate behavior. The officer stopped pointing his gun, but took several more seconds of holding it, before finally placing it back in the holster.
He has been suspended. The two adult white women who started this confrontation by reportedly slapping Tatiana Rose in the face have not been arrested or charged. A young 14-year old girl is traumatized, and a community who rallied at the police department on Monday night is outraged.
Meanwhile, many residents of the community are thankful to the police for ?keeping them safe,? as one sign reportedly posted at the pool the next day said. The rest of us are now forced to endure the deeply dishonest and irrational kind of conversation on race that proceeds from the mouth of far too many white folk after these kinds of incidents occur ? with stunning regularity, I might add.
Among more well-meaning interlocutors are those who keep pointing out that David Casebolt is a bad apple. ?He has been suspended,? they say. What we know for sure is that a suspension is not a clear indicator that charges, the loss of a job, or a criminal conviction are forthcoming.
Moreover, people continue to deploy the ?one bad apple spoils a bunch? analogy as though the predicate of the sentence is of no consequence. Spoils. The analogy is less about the singular bad apple and more about its multiplicative bad effects on those it keeps company with. I agree that David Casebolt was particularly out of control. I agree that the other officers saw that and got him to stop waving his gun. They did not keep him from kneeling on top of the girl or berating and intimidating the other youth. This means that in a scenario where multiple children were being unfairly treated, the presence of multiple officers did not offer them substantial protection in the face one officer becoming entirely rogue.
Those officers did not demand that their colleague take a breather while they got the situation under control. They let him go on and on, half-cocked and ridiculous. The material impact of that was a bunch of children feeling unsafe and traumatized by those sworn to protect them.
The 15-year-old white kid who recorded this incident on his smartphone made it clear that what he saw was a bunch of police mistreating his Black friends, while leaving him alone entirely. For the white people who need to hear it, yes, his presence indicates that ?not all white people? are racist. Clearly his parents are doing a good job raising an anti-racist teen. But if the white people who need to hear such things hope to float their consciences to safety on the back of this one kid, the ride might be bumpy. Again we don?t combat racism just by raising our children to have anti-racist attitudes. We also have to confront the systematic residential segregation and privatization that makes pools inaccessible to children who don?t have the privilege of living in suburbs.
Few white people have stood up and called out the white adult women who harassed a fellow neighbor having a pool party with her friends, and with her mother?s permission. But many white people have watched the video and concluded that the officer?s treatment of the 14-year-old girl was justified. The gender dynamics in this moment are interesting. There is no universe in which a police officer would drag a young white girl in a two-piece bathing suit by her hair, demand she put her face on the ground, and then kneel for several minutes on top of her adolescent body. If such a thing occurred, it would elicit massive moral outrage on the part of white people (and Black people, too).
But Black girls are never deemed feminine enough for their sexual and adolescent vulnerability to register for white people. They are frequently viewed as aggressors by both police and regular citizens alike, even for doing very adolescent things like mouthing off to those in authority. This is the reason why education scholars suggest that Black girls are suspended from school six times as often as white girls, because even simple adolescent forms of testing boundaries are perceived as far more aggressive based on race.
And let me be clear: Citizens have the right to ?mouth off? to police. We have the right to question how we are being treated, why we are being arrested, why we are even being approached. Far too many police deploy accusations of disturbing the peace or obstructing justice to quiet citizens who question them within legal bounds. As long as we don?t threaten or enact physical harm on police officers, we can ?mouth off? all we want. We don?t have to be polite to police officers, and they clearly have very little interest in being polite to us. And for those who keep demanding that we act civilly, the point is, ?incivility? is not a crime.
If it were, half of America?s police forces would be behind bars.
Moreover, the violent incivility of the white women who harassed and physically assaulted these teenagers who had every right to be there escapes notice. White women have been some of the worst perpetrators of racial aggression and racial indignity in this country, but their aggressions frequently escape notice, precisely because white womanhood and the need to protect it animates the core of so much white supremacist aggression toward Black people. The domestic sphere, much to the chagrin of my fellow feminists, has long been considered the sacred domain of white women. Many a Black man was lynched in service of protecting white women?s domestic sanctity and sexual virtue. Meanwhile, white women have been emboldened by such a system for centuries to police, demean and humiliate Black people, and Black women in particular, within domestic spaces.
But you won?t see white feminists contextualizing or calling out this long history of white female bullying of Black women with less social, political or economic power than them. They leave that work to Black feminists. Meanwhile, I hope that Black men begin to understand that they don?t have a monopoly on being violently mistreated by police. Black girls are brutalized, too.
And to continue to tell Black people ? as many white folks and respectable black folk on the social media threads I participated in have said ? that if these children ?would have just done what the officers said, none of this would have happened,? is to be deeply invested in exercises of racial ignorance. Proper behavior has never, ever protected Black people from police.
Most of these children came to a pool party with an invite, got harassed and physically assaulted by white residents who didn?t want them to be there, and then mistreated by the police. The ones who didn?t have an invite came because perhaps it was a rare opportunity to get in a clean, safe swimming pool in the heat of a Texas summer. Good policing could have dealt with this matter sans violence and without incident.
But that didn?t happen here.
Instead, the police mistreated these teens (including those who had been invited) because they started by giving the white residents the benefit of the doubt, even though good credible evidence suggests that white racial aggression spurred this incident in the first place. But Black children and Black people are never given the benefit of the doubt. We are policed first, and only ever apologized to later, if at all.
White people in the aggregate value the ?safety? of their private, segregated, residential spaces far more than they value a system of policing that protects and values all lives equally. It is clear that the anxiety that many white suburban residents feel about having their communities ?overrun? by Black people feels far more ?traumatizing? to them than having to stand idly by while a few teens get roughed up by the police. If the cost of making white people safe is more than a few Black communities being systematically traumatized and made always to feel unsafe, then so be it. The notion of white safety has its foundations in Indigenous, Black and Brown unsafety. Until white people begin to question the violent origins of such a concept, the police will continue in the name of ?white safety? to go around terrorizing communities of color, mostly with impunity.
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/ame...ney_police_violence_isnt_about_one_bad_apple/
Peace!
America?s war on Black girls: Why McKinney police violence isn?t about ?one bad apple
Here's a fairly articulate article that addresses many of your concerns.
Many have been quick to dismiss or make excuses for the shocking video out of Texas. Here's the truth of the matter
In just over two months, we will commemorate the 10th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, a natural disaster that ravaged communities along the Gulf Coast. This tragedy was made infinitely worse not only by decades of governmental neglect and far-ranging poverty, but also by the fact that so many Black people could not swim.
That nearly 60 percent of Black people cannot swim is directly attributable to decades of segregated pool facilities in this country. While that problem ostensibly went away with the desegregation efforts of the mid-20th century, de facto segregation of pool facilities persists to this day, because community pools are now largely private amenities in suburban neighborhoods that many Black youth don?t have access to.
This is the backdrop of the troubling and traumatizing incident that occurred in McKinney, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, over the weekend, when 19-year-old Tatiana Rose threw a pool party and invited several friends to use the community pool in her neighborhood. Many of those friends were Black, and many of those Black friends also live in the neighborhood. At some point, as Tatiana says in a video interview, two white adult women began yelling at her and her friends to ?go back where they came from,? ?back to section 8 housing,? and calling them ?black fuckers.? When a 14-year-old girl responded, the women further ridiculed her, prompting Tatiana to tell the adults that the girl was 14 and their comments were inappropriate. According to Tatiana?s account, the white women then approached her; one ?hit her in the face? and the other began participating in the attack.
According to reports, multiple calls came into police. At least one call came from either Tatiana, her mother (who was present) or her friends, reporting that these white women had attacked the partygoers. Other calls came in from residents who reported that many Black children who were unauthorized to be there were there and fighting. Apparently, the party got larger and some children jumped over the fence to get to the party.
When the McKinney PD showed up, Officer David Eric Casebolt arrived on the scene out of control. He yelled and cursed at teenagers, who were unarmed, many of them wearing swimming trunks and bathing suits. He approached a 14-year-old girl and wrestled her to the ground as she cried and called for her mom. Even after she was seated, crying and clearly subdued, he grabbed her braids, demanded that she get on her face, and then kneeled on top of her where he remained for several minutes. It is unclear what this child did to elicit such ire, but what she did not do was verbally threaten the officer, wave a gun at him, or present a physical threat ? as she is, by the look of it, just around 100 pounds, and he is a fully grown man.
When her friends attempted to come to her aid, the officer drew his gun, and waved it at them wildly and haphazardly, prompting two other officers to come over and indicate that this was inappropriate behavior. The officer stopped pointing his gun, but took several more seconds of holding it, before finally placing it back in the holster.
He has been suspended. The two adult white women who started this confrontation by reportedly slapping Tatiana Rose in the face have not been arrested or charged. A young 14-year old girl is traumatized, and a community who rallied at the police department on Monday night is outraged.
Meanwhile, many residents of the community are thankful to the police for ?keeping them safe,? as one sign reportedly posted at the pool the next day said. The rest of us are now forced to endure the deeply dishonest and irrational kind of conversation on race that proceeds from the mouth of far too many white folk after these kinds of incidents occur ? with stunning regularity, I might add.
Among more well-meaning interlocutors are those who keep pointing out that David Casebolt is a bad apple. ?He has been suspended,? they say. What we know for sure is that a suspension is not a clear indicator that charges, the loss of a job, or a criminal conviction are forthcoming.
Moreover, people continue to deploy the ?one bad apple spoils a bunch? analogy as though the predicate of the sentence is of no consequence. Spoils. The analogy is less about the singular bad apple and more about its multiplicative bad effects on those it keeps company with. I agree that David Casebolt was particularly out of control. I agree that the other officers saw that and got him to stop waving his gun. They did not keep him from kneeling on top of the girl or berating and intimidating the other youth. This means that in a scenario where multiple children were being unfairly treated, the presence of multiple officers did not offer them substantial protection in the face one officer becoming entirely rogue.
Those officers did not demand that their colleague take a breather while they got the situation under control. They let him go on and on, half-cocked and ridiculous. The material impact of that was a bunch of children feeling unsafe and traumatized by those sworn to protect them.
The 15-year-old white kid who recorded this incident on his smartphone made it clear that what he saw was a bunch of police mistreating his Black friends, while leaving him alone entirely. For the white people who need to hear it, yes, his presence indicates that ?not all white people? are racist. Clearly his parents are doing a good job raising an anti-racist teen. But if the white people who need to hear such things hope to float their consciences to safety on the back of this one kid, the ride might be bumpy. Again we don?t combat racism just by raising our children to have anti-racist attitudes. We also have to confront the systematic residential segregation and privatization that makes pools inaccessible to children who don?t have the privilege of living in suburbs.
Few white people have stood up and called out the white adult women who harassed a fellow neighbor having a pool party with her friends, and with her mother?s permission. But many white people have watched the video and concluded that the officer?s treatment of the 14-year-old girl was justified. The gender dynamics in this moment are interesting. There is no universe in which a police officer would drag a young white girl in a two-piece bathing suit by her hair, demand she put her face on the ground, and then kneel for several minutes on top of her adolescent body. If such a thing occurred, it would elicit massive moral outrage on the part of white people (and Black people, too).
But Black girls are never deemed feminine enough for their sexual and adolescent vulnerability to register for white people. They are frequently viewed as aggressors by both police and regular citizens alike, even for doing very adolescent things like mouthing off to those in authority. This is the reason why education scholars suggest that Black girls are suspended from school six times as often as white girls, because even simple adolescent forms of testing boundaries are perceived as far more aggressive based on race.
And let me be clear: Citizens have the right to ?mouth off? to police. We have the right to question how we are being treated, why we are being arrested, why we are even being approached. Far too many police deploy accusations of disturbing the peace or obstructing justice to quiet citizens who question them within legal bounds. As long as we don?t threaten or enact physical harm on police officers, we can ?mouth off? all we want. We don?t have to be polite to police officers, and they clearly have very little interest in being polite to us. And for those who keep demanding that we act civilly, the point is, ?incivility? is not a crime.
If it were, half of America?s police forces would be behind bars.
Moreover, the violent incivility of the white women who harassed and physically assaulted these teenagers who had every right to be there escapes notice. White women have been some of the worst perpetrators of racial aggression and racial indignity in this country, but their aggressions frequently escape notice, precisely because white womanhood and the need to protect it animates the core of so much white supremacist aggression toward Black people. The domestic sphere, much to the chagrin of my fellow feminists, has long been considered the sacred domain of white women. Many a Black man was lynched in service of protecting white women?s domestic sanctity and sexual virtue. Meanwhile, white women have been emboldened by such a system for centuries to police, demean and humiliate Black people, and Black women in particular, within domestic spaces.
But you won?t see white feminists contextualizing or calling out this long history of white female bullying of Black women with less social, political or economic power than them. They leave that work to Black feminists. Meanwhile, I hope that Black men begin to understand that they don?t have a monopoly on being violently mistreated by police. Black girls are brutalized, too.
And to continue to tell Black people ? as many white folks and respectable black folk on the social media threads I participated in have said ? that if these children ?would have just done what the officers said, none of this would have happened,? is to be deeply invested in exercises of racial ignorance. Proper behavior has never, ever protected Black people from police.
Most of these children came to a pool party with an invite, got harassed and physically assaulted by white residents who didn?t want them to be there, and then mistreated by the police. The ones who didn?t have an invite came because perhaps it was a rare opportunity to get in a clean, safe swimming pool in the heat of a Texas summer. Good policing could have dealt with this matter sans violence and without incident.
But that didn?t happen here.
Instead, the police mistreated these teens (including those who had been invited) because they started by giving the white residents the benefit of the doubt, even though good credible evidence suggests that white racial aggression spurred this incident in the first place. But Black children and Black people are never given the benefit of the doubt. We are policed first, and only ever apologized to later, if at all.
White people in the aggregate value the ?safety? of their private, segregated, residential spaces far more than they value a system of policing that protects and values all lives equally. It is clear that the anxiety that many white suburban residents feel about having their communities ?overrun? by Black people feels far more ?traumatizing? to them than having to stand idly by while a few teens get roughed up by the police. If the cost of making white people safe is more than a few Black communities being systematically traumatized and made always to feel unsafe, then so be it. The notion of white safety has its foundations in Indigenous, Black and Brown unsafety. Until white people begin to question the violent origins of such a concept, the police will continue in the name of ?white safety? to go around terrorizing communities of color, mostly with impunity.
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/10/ame...ney_police_violence_isnt_about_one_bad_apple/
Peace!
It is a good thing Kickserve is such a great guy or you might would get Canadians banned from this site with your garbage. Have not read any of your latest dribble about the Boston Bomber being innocent. Have you changed your mind about that? Hope you are around when he is put to death.
Just read that the Dallas Police Department was attacked last night. Hope they find the four shooters.
them kids were animal no respect for authority plain and simply !! there a few who obey the the cops !!
the democrats are a waste of american society
What the fuck, Raymond!
You can't go around calling kids you don't know animals. I also strongly disagree with your statement about democrats.
Local news... More rallies are expected today.
"One explosive under a police vehicle at the headquarters detonated around 5:45 a.m."
My brother in law is an officer in Houston. We're actually going to H-town today for a family get together. I'm sure he'll have some take on these current events.
Day 8 and we still haven't seen any statement of wrong doing or information from the Top Brass if the girl was being legally detained.....How difficult is it from the law side to say the cop was within his rights or not.....This part should be cut and dry, you have a 7 min video to view and you need 8 days + to make a statement? The officer had 7 mins to make his decision based on the information/call he was given.....Talk about screwed up system.....:0008
Well, I could certainly easily explain why I suspended belief/judgement at the time of the incident, but that would then leave you with one less situation to be completely obtuse about. Now who would want that?
And you best worry about YOURSELF being around for his scheduled execution, old man. LOL
You certainly wouldn't want to miss out on one of the great spectacles your citizenship affords you. 'Til then, keep on tilling....
Peace!
There was only one shooter and he is dead now. What a surprise, you're misinformed again!
The girl was not legally detained sports. She was released at the scene shortly after being assaulted by Casebolt.
Keep in mind that there was 11 other officers in the scene. Not one of them attempted to detain anyone at all. There was one arrest made but it was not an invited guest of the party, those charges were ultimately dropped and the man released the same day.
On Tuesday June 9th McKinney police chief called Officer Casebolt' s action "indefensible" and "not in keeping with department policy or his training".
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Good for the Police Chief......I guess someone did have the balls to make a statement on Casebolt's actions.....
Was there any clarity on whether
1) Could/should the girl have been ask to leave the area?
2) After not compiling with the officers command to leave could/should the girl have been properly detained?
See how easy this is to sort out.....:0008
Per Huffinton Post eyewitnesses at police station claim there were 4 people in car. Whether it is 1 or 4 it does not matter.
Just read about you in Houston paper.
Cirilo Castillo aka Fatdaddy Cool arrested for the second time for having sex again with the same horse.
Wait about a year and it will be legal for you to marry her..or is it a him?
Yes, everyone here already knows that's facts are unimportant to you. Lying is in your nature.
I don't live in Houston and never have. Sorry to disappoint you, but that's not me.
He could certainly have asked but she is not nor was not legally bound to comply. She could have yelled at the top of her lungs, cursed, and/or questioned him for his badge number but you cannot forcibly tell someone to leave a public area just because you're an officer. Contrary to popular belief, cursing a cop is not assault either.
He had no right to detain anyone. There was no crime being committed, no active investigation, nothing like that.
An officer cannot tell you to shut up either, if he is questioning you during an official investigation he can ask you to be quiet to be polite but nothing that Casebolt was within the law or code of ethics.
Much of this can be found in the code of ethics. I googled it and there were several sites to choose from if you're interested my friend.
Actually it was third time ..me thinks he's found true love? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3118940/Texas-man-arrested-trying-sex-horse-time.html
The way society is going, Beastility, Pedophilia, Necromania may eventually become fashionable.
I'm not going to get involved except for this. The cops were called to help with a disturbance so I'm pretty damn sure they can make you leave an area so that they can do their job.
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The cop code of ethics really!
Where the hell is the code of respect, conduct and manners from these "Young Adults"
Nothing escalates until these punks get their mouths running.
Those are the simple facts!
Btw a cop can detain your ass for disorderly conduct of which she is blatantly guilty of!
Later boys I have a pool party to go crash with my homies and hoes!
People will eventually get what they want. No one in their right mind will want to be a LEO in the not too distant future.
When that starts to happen, as in anything, the lowest common denominators will fill the roles.
I'm pretty certain at some point down the road, the police departments across the country will start to be outsourced to private companies. The lawsuits that will be piling up will force municipalities to stop providing the police in the community.
When that starts to happen, as in anything, the lowest common denominators will fill the roles.
I'm pretty certain at some point down the road, the police departments across the country will start to be outsourced to private companies. The lawsuits that will be piling up will force municipalities to stop providing the police in the community.
