If Harbs making it ?his? team, the Super Bowl honeymoon is already over

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I could have written this. Agree 100%!

Ray's the one that kept it all together. Ray controlled the bad seeds, Ray was the motivator, Ray did all the pre and post game locker room pep talk speeches. John could not have done it without Ray. The Ravens were Ray Lewis's team and HE'S the one the team will miss the most.

They are completely taking apart the team that was so successful the last 5 years and it's NOT because of the money they paid Joe.

I guess we'll find out in time what Ozzie has planned. To me, it looks like they got their franchise QB and they're gonna start off fresh and new and build a newer and younger team around him. WTFK? :shrug:

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For most teams, winning the Super Bowl (or whatever championship in the respective sport) should give a front office and head coach a few years of leeway from feeling ridiculous heat from the fan base.
Even in today?s ?give me what I want and give it to me now? society, teams that win it all can sit back and take a breath, at least for a little while. However, with the 24-hour news cycle and constant social media interaction, praise and scrutiny (and more scrutiny) are pretty much constant.
Personally, I take the view that the Ravens have rewarded my fandom more than I could ever realistically ask for, with two Super Bowl championships in 13 years. We?re incredibly spoiled as Baltimore fans. I?ll do my best to remember this next fall ? I?ll celebrate wins over the likes of the Browns and Bills, and if the Ravens struggle to their first non-playoff season since 2007, I?ll console myself on Sunday nights by watching my Super Bowl XLVII DVDs.
But despite being spoiled, some Ravens fans will demand nothing but the best, and will consider anything short of a championship repeat a failure. Those fans would have liked to see the team go all in and bring as many players from the 2012 roster back in 2013 as possible, for the best chance to repeat.
Basically, what the Ravens did in 2001 ? a mistake that the front office admits they have learned from and vowed not to duplicate.
Now that it?s clear that the 2013 version of the Ravens will look vastly different from the 2012 version, many in Ravens Nation find themselves ? once again ? looking for the nearest bridge.
There have been plenty of pieces written on this site trying to talk those fans back from the ledge; I?ll save the perspective for those blogs.
This one is directed at the way the team is currently being dismantled, as opposed to the mere fact that the dismantling is occurring.
The departures of Anquan Boldin, Paul Kruger, and Dannell Ellerbe all made sense ? to varying degrees ? for the team from a financial standpoint.
However, the release of safety Bernard Pollard on Wednesday made no such financial sense (saving the team only $1M in cap space for 2013), especially given Pollard?s relatively young age. Even fans who had made peace with the roster turnover were left scratching their heads.
Local conspiracy theorists and sports talkers alike began to connect a few dots and some came to the conclusion that something entirely different was happening ? the old guard of the Ravens was being completely ushered out the door. Specifically, those veterans with whom head coach John Harbaugh had ?clashed? in the past ? Pollard, remember, was said to be at the forefront of the ?mutiny? that took place within the team following the loss to Houston in Week 7.
Also in that group?
Ed Reed, who is scheduled to start making his free agent visits on Thursday.
Then there are the players who have, at various times, been said to be in Harbaugh?s ?dog house.?
Dannell Ellerbe. Gone.
Bryant McKinnie. We?ve heard nothing about McKinnie being close to re-signing with the team.
And so, if you buy in to the line of thinking that Harbaugh is using this opportunity to rid the locker room of players who he doesn?t deem ?his guys,? you can start to see the logic.
It makes sense.
Despite spending five years as the head coach, Harbaugh knew that many still considered the Ravens ?Ray Lewis?s team.? Well, Ray retired. So why not seize the opportunity to make it ?John Harbaugh?s team??
If this is indeed what is happening at 1 Winning Drive, it?s way too early to deem it a ?good? or a ?bad? thing.
What is clear though, is that Harbaugh will not win any goodwill with the fan base by jettisoning popular players to bring in new ones he approves of?unless he keeps winning, and very soon.
I?m a John Harbaugh guy. I think he deserves plenty of credit for taking his team to the playoffs every year, winning a playoff game every year, and for ultimately winning a Super Bowl.
That said, he isn?t above reproach.
His ?dog house? probably cost the team a win or two along the way.
His clock management has been perplexing at times.
And his stubbornness in not firing friend Cam Cameron sooner?well, we won?t go there. All?s well that ends well, right?
A particularly concerning point for me, though, is this ? I heard through the grapevine that Harbs was none too happy with Ray Lewis for announcing his retirement publicly at the practice facility back in January.
You know, that announcement that every Ravens fan will remember for the rest of our lives, the words that still send chills down our spine (?today?I told my team??), the words that start countless Ravens playoff highlight videos on YouTube, the words that ? at least to some degree ? sparked a 10-6 team that nobody gave a chance to an improbable Super Bowl victory?those words. John Harbaugh wasn?t happy about those words.
Something about causing a distraction.
That makes me worry that Harbaugh has trouble gauging the pulse of his team.
What will he do without a strong locker room leader like Lewis? Or Boldin, or Reed, for that matter?
Can John become ?the man? that every player in the locker room looks up to and respects?
Or will he need another like Terrell Suggs or Ray Rice or Joe Flacco to emerge as a buffer between players and head coach?
John Harbaugh seems to be betting that he can, in fact, become the new ?Godfather? of the Ravens. In enabling the roster turnover that we are seeing (again, IF you buy into the ?conspiracy theory?), the front office ? owner Steve Bisciotti, GM Ozzie Newsome, Assistant GM Eric DeCosta ? must obviously agree.
And why not? As we all know by now, Harbaugh has been around coaches and football players his whole life. He?s been a very successful NFL head coach for five years now. There?s no reason he can?t continue his success with a locker room full of ?approved? personalities.
But if he doesn?t?hoo boy. The reaction from the fans in Baltimore will be swift and unforgiving.
As a fan myself, I?m eager to see how it all plays out, but I?m going to continue to enjoy the ride.
Now, excuse me while I go stock up on tissues in preparation for the departure of my favorite player of all-time, Ed Reed.

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nobody`s mentioned the possibility that maybe biscotti`s getting tired of spending the big bucks.......we`ve had quite a few large salaries on the team...some big name talent.....expensive stuff......

maybe biscotti`s finances aren`t as stable as we might hope....other owners have had financial issues(that`s why we have the ravens).....seems odd that nobody`s questioning the guy with the checkbook......

maybe he figures he `ll pocket some of his super bowl windfall and skate for a few years off the flush of the ravens` super bowl success.....

just thinking out loud...
 

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nobody`s mentioned the possibility that maybe biscotti`s getting tired of spending the big bucks.......we`ve had quite a few large salaries on the team...some big name talent.....expensive stuff......

maybe biscotti`s finances aren`t as stable as we might hope....other owners have had financial issues(that`s why we have the ravens).....seems odd that nobody`s questioning the guy with the checkbook......

maybe he figures he `ll pocket some of his super bowl windfall and skate for a few years off the flush of the ravens` super bowl success.....

just thinking out loud...

Then why pay Flacco all that?
 

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form a non-ravens fan perspective

form a non-ravens fan perspective

ellerbe looked like a good player -on the uptick-that while losing all that they did will hurt, losing him, with more years to be playing than some of the other departures- gonna really sting i think

maybe ozzie has eyes on some solid step right in rooks this upcoming draft

def wouldnt putit past'm
 

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I betcha Reed is the next one to go. And that wouldn't bother me one bit. He's past his prime, wants prime money, can't tackle, has injuries all the time, and his attitude sucks. He was one of my favorite Ravens for a lot of years but it's time to let him go, IMO.
 

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I betcha Reed is the next one to go. And that wouldn't bother me one bit. He's past his prime, wants prime money, can't tackle, has injuries all the time, and his attitude sucks. He was one of my favorite Ravens for a lot of years but it's time to let him go, IMO.

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The only way he tackles is by slamming into people. Same as Pollard, he can't tackle either.

Then he has free reign to gamble on plays and got beat quite a bit the last 2 years.

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hey..ya got the Title..

it's over..

couple years of 8-8 and then right back into playoff contention.

:sadwave:
 

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hey..ya got the Title..

it's over..

couple years of 8-8 and then right back into playoff contention.

:sadwave:

Yep. I'm sure PIT and CIN are liking what they are seeing. Although PIT has problems of their own. :lol:

I'm happy. We have my boy long term and we have Ozzie drafting. Maybe back in the playoffs in 2 years. :toast:
 

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And you guys get a year or 2 off of hearing my big mouth. :0003
 

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Then why pay Flacco all that?

i doubt that biscotti could have gotten away with losing flacco in his prime after winning the superbowl......pretty sure that would have meant fan mutiny(flacco honestly deserved it after the playoff run he had)...and i`d wager that the cameron firing was more biscotti than harbaugh...

i could be completely wrong....just seemed curious that nobody anywhere was mentioning any possible biscotti involvement in the purge...:shrug:
 

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The Ravens will be just fine
By Pete Prisco | Senior NFL Columnist
March 13, 2013 11:28 am ET

The Baltimore Ravens, fresh off a Super Bowl victory, are taking a beating.

Public perception and media perception is that they are being ripped apart in free agency, their losses too much to overcome. They're done. Forget a repeat chance.

That's 100-percent garbage.


All of the players they've lost, or will lose if Ed Reed leaves, are replaceable. Yes, some, like linebacker Dannell Ellerbe, are good, rising players, but let's be realistic and study their losses in depth and offer reasons why Baltimore fans shouldn't be panicking.

It starts with general manager Ozzie Newsome and director of player personnel Eric DeCosta running things. That's a plus-2 for the Ravens in that category. They are both among the best in the NFL at what they do, and they have a knack for finding the right guys to fill in when others leave.

And let's not forget the 12 draft picks they have in the April draft. That will give them ample opportunity to find quality replacements.

Now let's take a detailed look at who they lost, and how they will be replaced.

Ellerbe. He is a violent, run-and-chase linebacker who had his best season in 2012. He will be missed. But you know where the Ravens found him? He was a nondrafted free agent. One more thing about Ellerbe: He has missed a lot of time in his career, and the Ravens have been fine without him. He has 14 starts in four years. I love the way Ellerbe plays, but linebackers are always replaceable the way the game is played now.

OLB Paul Kruger. They drafted Courtney Upshaw in 2012 with the idea he would be their starter. Kruger outplayed him, came on strong late, and cashed in with a big contract in Cleveland. It's Upshaw's time now. He has to get in shape, something he wasn't last summer, and he can become a force off the edge. He has much more explosiveness than does Kruger. In four seasons, Kruger had 15 1/2 sacks. He had nine last season, but 1 1/2 when Terrell Suggs was out and wasn't on the other side. That's telling.

WR Anquan Boldin. He was traded to the 49ers for a sixth-round pick because his $6 million salary was too high. People in the media went nuts over that deal, but the Ravens had no choice. Boldin is a good player, but he doesn't run that well and he will be a year older, which means even slower. He had a big postseason, but a study of those catches shows he made a lot of them with people all over his body. He doesn't get open. The Ravens will use tight end Dennis Pitta more in the slot to offset that loss and they will have speed outside in Jacoby Jones and Torrey Smith. They both had big, long touchdown catches in the postseason. The Ravens can also find a slot receiver in the draft, one who is faster than Boldin.

S Bernard Pollard. The Ravens released him for cap reasons Wednesday. Pollard is a box safety who is good against the run, but not great against the pass. I thought he played pretty well last season -- better than Reed -- but he is a box safety in a league where they are being phased out. With offenses so spread now, it's hard to cover up the safeties who can't run and play more like linebackers. One more thing about Pollard: His next team will be his fourth. There's a reason for that.

S Ed Reed. He is a free agent and could still come back. But it's unlikely. Reed wasn't very good last year. He didn't tackle at all and seemed to do little at times as he played the deep middle. The Ravens have a young second-year safety in Omar Brown, who flashed late in the season and had a nice preseason. Reed even said Brown reminded him of himself. If not, they will find a safety. That player might not be Reed in his prime, but Reed of 2012 wasn't anything close to that player either.

So there you have a look at the supposedly huge hits the Ravens have taken. Yes, they've lost some good players. But are any of them irreplaceable? Not even close.

Newsome and DeCosta have been here before. They'll fix this -- and probably make it even better.

Oh, one more thing: They still have a franchise quarterback in Joe Flacco, which is the most important thing of all.
 

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The Ravens will be just fine
By Pete Prisco | Senior NFL Columnist
March 13, 2013 11:28 am ET

The Baltimore Ravens, fresh off a Super Bowl victory, are taking a beating.

Public perception and media perception is that they are being ripped apart in free agency, their losses too much to overcome. They're done. Forget a repeat chance.

That's 100-percent garbage.


All of the players they've lost, or will lose if Ed Reed leaves, are replaceable. Yes, some, like linebacker Dannell Ellerbe, are good, rising players, but let's be realistic and study their losses in depth and offer reasons why Baltimore fans shouldn't be panicking.

It starts with general manager Ozzie Newsome and director of player personnel Eric DeCosta running things. That's a plus-2 for the Ravens in that category. They are both among the best in the NFL at what they do, and they have a knack for finding the right guys to fill in when others leave.

And let's not forget the 12 draft picks they have in the April draft. That will give them ample opportunity to find quality replacements.

Now let's take a detailed look at who they lost, and how they will be replaced.

Ellerbe. He is a violent, run-and-chase linebacker who had his best season in 2012. He will be missed. But you know where the Ravens found him? He was a nondrafted free agent. One more thing about Ellerbe: He has missed a lot of time in his career, and the Ravens have been fine without him. He has 14 starts in four years. I love the way Ellerbe plays, but linebackers are always replaceable the way the game is played now.

OLB Paul Kruger. They drafted Courtney Upshaw in 2012 with the idea he would be their starter. Kruger outplayed him, came on strong late, and cashed in with a big contract in Cleveland. It's Upshaw's time now. He has to get in shape, something he wasn't last summer, and he can become a force off the edge. He has much more explosiveness than does Kruger. In four seasons, Kruger had 15 1/2 sacks. He had nine last season, but 1 1/2 when Terrell Suggs was out and wasn't on the other side. That's telling.

WR Anquan Boldin. He was traded to the 49ers for a sixth-round pick because his $6 million salary was too high. People in the media went nuts over that deal, but the Ravens had no choice. Boldin is a good player, but he doesn't run that well and he will be a year older, which means even slower. He had a big postseason, but a study of those catches shows he made a lot of them with people all over his body. He doesn't get open. The Ravens will use tight end Dennis Pitta more in the slot to offset that loss and they will have speed outside in Jacoby Jones and Torrey Smith. They both had big, long touchdown catches in the postseason. The Ravens can also find a slot receiver in the draft, one who is faster than Boldin.

S Bernard Pollard. The Ravens released him for cap reasons Wednesday. Pollard is a box safety who is good against the run, but not great against the pass. I thought he played pretty well last season -- better than Reed -- but he is a box safety in a league where they are being phased out. With offenses so spread now, it's hard to cover up the safeties who can't run and play more like linebackers. One more thing about Pollard: His next team will be his fourth. There's a reason for that.

S Ed Reed. He is a free agent and could still come back. But it's unlikely. Reed wasn't very good last year. He didn't tackle at all and seemed to do little at times as he played the deep middle. The Ravens have a young second-year safety in Omar Brown, who flashed late in the season and had a nice preseason. Reed even said Brown reminded him of himself. If not, they will find a safety. That player might not be Reed in his prime, but Reed of 2012 wasn't anything close to that player either.

So there you have a look at the supposedly huge hits the Ravens have taken. Yes, they've lost some good players. But are any of them irreplaceable? Not even close.

Newsome and DeCosta have been here before. They'll fix this -- and probably make it even better.

Oh, one more thing: They still have a franchise quarterback in Joe Flacco, which is the most important thing of all.

:toast:
 

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The Ravens will be just fine
By Pete Prisco | Senior NFL Columnist
March 13, 2013 11:28 am ET

The Baltimore Ravens, fresh off a Super Bowl victory, are taking a beating.

Public perception and media perception is that they are being ripped apart in free agency, their losses too much to overcome. They're done. Forget a repeat chance.

That's 100-percent garbage.


All of the players they've lost, or will lose if Ed Reed leaves, are replaceable. Yes, some, like linebacker Dannell Ellerbe, are good, rising players, but let's be realistic and study their losses in depth and offer reasons why Baltimore fans shouldn't be panicking.

It starts with general manager Ozzie Newsome and director of player personnel Eric DeCosta running things. That's a plus-2 for the Ravens in that category. They are both among the best in the NFL at what they do, and they have a knack for finding the right guys to fill in when others leave.

And let's not forget the 12 draft picks they have in the April draft. That will give them ample opportunity to find quality replacements.

Now let's take a detailed look at who they lost, and how they will be replaced.

Ellerbe. He is a violent, run-and-chase linebacker who had his best season in 2012. He will be missed. But you know where the Ravens found him? He was a nondrafted free agent. One more thing about Ellerbe: He has missed a lot of time in his career, and the Ravens have been fine without him. He has 14 starts in four years. I love the way Ellerbe plays, but linebackers are always replaceable the way the game is played now.

OLB Paul Kruger. They drafted Courtney Upshaw in 2012 with the idea he would be their starter. Kruger outplayed him, came on strong late, and cashed in with a big contract in Cleveland. It's Upshaw's time now. He has to get in shape, something he wasn't last summer, and he can become a force off the edge. He has much more explosiveness than does Kruger. In four seasons, Kruger had 15 1/2 sacks. He had nine last season, but 1 1/2 when Terrell Suggs was out and wasn't on the other side. That's telling.

WR Anquan Boldin. He was traded to the 49ers for a sixth-round pick because his $6 million salary was too high. People in the media went nuts over that deal, but the Ravens had no choice. Boldin is a good player, but he doesn't run that well and he will be a year older, which means even slower. He had a big postseason, but a study of those catches shows he made a lot of them with people all over his body. He doesn't get open. The Ravens will use tight end Dennis Pitta more in the slot to offset that loss and they will have speed outside in Jacoby Jones and Torrey Smith. They both had big, long touchdown catches in the postseason. The Ravens can also find a slot receiver in the draft, one who is faster than Boldin.

S Bernard Pollard. The Ravens released him for cap reasons Wednesday. Pollard is a box safety who is good against the run, but not great against the pass. I thought he played pretty well last season -- better than Reed -- but he is a box safety in a league where they are being phased out. With offenses so spread now, it's hard to cover up the safeties who can't run and play more like linebackers. One more thing about Pollard: His next team will be his fourth. There's a reason for that.

S Ed Reed. He is a free agent and could still come back. But it's unlikely. Reed wasn't very good last year. He didn't tackle at all and seemed to do little at times as he played the deep middle. The Ravens have a young second-year safety in Omar Brown, who flashed late in the season and had a nice preseason. Reed even said Brown reminded him of himself. If not, they will find a safety. That player might not be Reed in his prime, but Reed of 2012 wasn't anything close to that player either.

So there you have a look at the supposedly huge hits the Ravens have taken. Yes, they've lost some good players. But are any of them irreplaceable? Not even close.

Newsome and DeCosta have been here before. They'll fix this -- and probably make it even better.

Oh, one more thing: They still have a franchise quarterback in Joe Flacco, which is the most important thing of all.

disagree with more than a few issues here.....

totally agree about newsome and particularly decosta....can`t figure out the guy isn`t a g.m. somewhere...he`s had the chance to leave..he`s one of the best talent evaluators around...


also agree on boldin...he disappeared quite a bit this year...definitely on the downside(playoff run notwithstanding)....i`d love to see us get a quick,legit slot back for flacco...that`s why i was holding out hope for amendola...

but losing kruger/ellerbe(young talent where we`re thin)/pollard(guy played lights out this year...was the REAL intimidator on this defense..and he`s still under 30)...reed had a very solid season for a 35 year old who played hurt all year........you can`t replace that kind of savvy and toughness...losing lewis and reed from the locker room has the "potential" to leave the defense rudderless....you can`t overestimate the psychological aspect of losing both guys in the same year...

and it looks like cary williams will be leaving...that`s 6 starters off a super bowl winning defense...not to mention matt birk`s retirement......that`s not impactful?....throw in mckinnie( the best left tackle we had) and by any measure,the team`s been gutted...



good bad or indifferent,that`s an awful lot of holes to fill in one offseason....9 starters gone.....more than a full 3rd of your starters.....

prisco`s trying to put a bowtie on this pig....i want some of the jenkem he`s been smoking....
 

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disagree with more than a few issues here.....

totally agree about newsome and particularly decosta....can`t figure out the guy isn`t a g.m. somewhere...he`s had the chance to leave..he`s one of the best talent evaluators around...


also agree on boldin...he disappeared quite a bit this year...definitely on the downside(playoff run notwithstanding)....i`d love to see us get a quick,legit slot back for flacco...that`s why i was holding out hope for amendola...

but losing kruger/ellerbe(young talent where we`re thin)/pollard(guy played lights out this year...was the REAL intimidator on this defense..and he`s still under 30)...reed had a very solid season for a 35 year old who played hurt all year........you can`t replace that kind of savvy and toughness...losing lewis and reed from the locker room has the "potential" to leave the defense rudderless....you can`t overestimate the psychological aspect of losing both guys in the same year...

and it looks like cary williams will be leaving...that`s 6 starters off a super bowl winning defense...not to mention matt birk`s retirement......that`s not impactful?....throw in mckinnie( the best left tackle we had) and by any measure,the team`s been gutted...



good bad or indifferent,that`s an awful lot of holes to fill in one offseason....9 starters gone.....more than a full 3rd of your starters.....

prisco`s trying to put a bowtie on this pig....i want some of the jenkem he`s been smoking....

As for Kruger and Ellerbe, are they worth the contract they got?

How many ravens defensive players have left and went on to be better then they were in Baltimore?

They offered Cary a 3/15 contract he turned it down and Graham turned into a better corner.
 
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