In defense of Hedgie ~

[buddy]

Seems to me that those who are ridiculing Hedgie are upset because he has standards. Like the old saying goes, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." He let the forum know that what Michael Sam did on tv was, in his opinion, disgusting. "This is acceptable, that is unacceptable. This is pleasing, that's disgusting. I'm smart, you?...not so much." That's Hedgehog.
He doesn't support same-sex marriage or anything on the gay rights agenda. He's not alone here. There are millions up on millions who think and feel the same. Vladimir Putin may have given Hedgehog a Cabinet position.
My point is this...If someone knocks on your door, do you without conscious thought let them enter your home? Of course not. Then why is an open door any different than an open mind? With an open door all one has to do from the comfort of the recliner is shout, "C'mon in!" With no thought of who or what you're saying it to. "It's all good, brother! Peace, love and Michael Sam! If you're a hunk, gimme a big, sloppy kiss before you make yourself comfortable." With an politically correct open mind, you're "obligated" to entertain any and every thought or idea, no matter how perverted or sickening it may be, that comes your way. If you don't, you lose your "open minded" status.
I'll bet Hedgehog uses a dead bolt and a home security system. I think he's smart enough to know how to protect his home by not leaving the door open at all times and I think he tries to protect his mind the same way. Good for you, Hedgie! I applaud you, brother!

 

[shawn555]

Fuck hedge.

:0008

 

[ImFeklhr]

Seems to me that those who are ridiculing Hedgie are upset because he has standards. Like the old saying goes, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." He let the forum know that what Michael Sam did on tv was, in his opinion, disgusting. "This is acceptable, that is unacceptable. This is pleasing, that's disgusting. I'm smart, you?...not so much." That's Hedgehog.
He doesn't support same-sex marriage or anything on the gay rights agenda. He's not alone here. There are millions up on millions who think and feel the same. Vladimir Putin may have given Hedgehog a Cabinet position.
My point is this...If someone knocks on your door, do you without conscious thought let them enter your home? Of course not. Then why is an open door any different than an open mind? With an open door all one has to do from the comfort of the recliner is shout, "C'mon in!" With no thought of who or what you're saying it to. "It's all good, brother! Peace, love and Michael Sam! If you're a hunk, gimme a big, sloppy kiss before you make yourself comfortable." With an politically correct open mind, you're "obligated" to entertain any and every thought or idea, no matter how perverted or sickening it may be, that comes your way. If you don't, you lose your "open minded" status.
I'll bet Hedgehog uses a dead bolt and a home security system. I think he's smart enough to know how to protect his home by not leaving the door open at all times and I think he tries to protect his mind the same way. Good for you, Hedgie! I applaud you, brother!

I feel like I need to save this on my clipboard so I don't have to keep re-typing it. Being against gay marriage is not Hedgie?s ?sin?. Are you new to this board Buddy? It?s his personality that offends so many people. He says offensive things far and beyond taking a political or moral stand against an issue. I am sure many madjackers are against gay marriage or whatever the issue de jour is, but they don?t raise the ire of the group as a whole. Why do YOU think that is? If you need examples of his bad behavior almost anyone could summarize, paraphrase, or the more resourceful researchers would probably be happy to find direct quotes.

Furthermore, it doesn?t even come off as genuine. It feels more like he has no true beliefs and is either behaving badly just to get attention (like a child?) or is parroting concepts and ideas he has heard elsewhere because he can?t fully form them himself. Either way, it?s very difficult to interact with someone like that!

The whole package is off-putting.
That being said I have no huge personal problem with him or his antics. Everyone is different and deserves compassion.
The collective uproar against him is amusing because it feels like he deserves it, though I try to directly participate in it as infrequently as possible.

 

[no pepper]

hedgehog lost the wager with me that Sam would not even get drafted. He probably ran off to bettorsworld to avoid paying me the jar of Lawrence's hot pickles. Just another madjacksports stiff.

 

[JT]

Believing all human beings should have equal rights is a STANDARD. One that is protected by constitutional law. If marriage is just a religious experience does that mean athiests can't get married also? Good lord some of you are numbnuts.

 

[smurphy]

The whole package is off-putting.

:facepalm:

 

[smurphy]

Seems to me that those who are ridiculing Hedgie are upset because he has standards. Like the old saying goes, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." He let the forum know that what Michael Sam did on tv was, in his opinion, disgusting. "This is acceptable, that is unacceptable. This is pleasing, that's disgusting. I'm smart, you?...not so much." That's Hedgehog.
He doesn't support same-sex marriage or anything on the gay rights agenda. He's not alone here. There are millions up on millions who think and feel the same. Vladimir Putin may have given Hedgehog a Cabinet position.
My point is this...If someone knocks on your door, do you without conscious thought let them enter your home? Of course not. Then why is an open door any different than an open mind? With an open door all one has to do from the comfort of the recliner is shout, "C'mon in!" With no thought of who or what you're saying it to. "It's all good, brother! Peace, love and Michael Sam! If you're a hunk, gimme a big, sloppy kiss before you make yourself comfortable." With an politically correct open mind, you're "obligated" to entertain any and every thought or idea, no matter how perverted or sickening it may be, that comes your way. If you don't, you lose your "open minded" status.
I'll bet Hedgehog uses a dead bolt and a home security system. I think he's smart enough to know how to protect his home by not leaving the door open at all times and I think he tries to protect his mind the same way. Good for you, Hedgie! I applaud you, brother!

He speaks his mind (no problems with that), insults people (still not a problem imo), but then is unable to handle the slightest insults that inevitably come back to him. Nobody ever chases him away, he runs away.

 

[buddy]

Nobody ever chases him away, he runs away.

Hey, I never said he was perfect or even close to normal, but he is unique.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear General Discussion Forum,

I am running away.
What time should I return?

Love,
Hedgie

 

[buddy]

I feel like I need to save this on my clipboard so I don't have to keep re-typing it. Being against gay marriage is not Hedgie?s ?sin?. Are you new to this board Buddy? It?s his personality that offends so many people. He says offensive things far and beyond taking a political or moral stand against an issue. I am sure many madjackers are against gay marriage or whatever the issue de jour is, but they don?t raise the ire of the group as a whole. Why do YOU think that is? If you need examples of his bad behavior almost anyone could summarize, paraphrase, or the more resourceful researchers would probably be happy to find direct quotes.

Furthermore, it doesn?t even come off as genuine. It feels more like he has no true beliefs and is either behaving badly just to get attention (like a child?) or is parroting concepts and ideas he has heard elsewhere because he can?t fully form them himself. Either way, it?s very difficult to interact with someone like that!

The whole package is off-putting.
That being said I have no huge personal problem with him or his antics. Everyone is different and deserves compassion.
The collective uproar against him is amusing because it feels like he deserves it, though I try to directly participate in it as infrequently as possible.

Your point is well-taken. But I do think much of what he says is genuine and in many instances, I believe he means what he says. It's those "other instances" that tip the scales. As with most of us at times, he can be a bit more zealous than reasonable. Unfortunately, he's quick with an opinion on most everything and that certainly adds to his undoing. I think he gets in big trouble when he "...is parroting concepts and ideas he has heard elsewhere because he can?t fully form them himself." This makes him appear to be something he isn't and sadly, most everyone knows it but Hedgie. I think that may be the crux of it all. I agree with you that is does make for difficult interaction. Nevertheless, I still think he's sincere.

 

[ImFeklhr]

My point is this...If someone knocks on your door, do you without conscious thought let them enter your home? Of course not. Then why is an open door any different than an open mind? With an open door all one has to do from the comfort of the recliner is shout, "C'mon in!" With no thought of who or what you're saying it to. "It's all good, brother! Peace, love and Michael Sam! If you're a hunk, gimme a big, sloppy kiss before you make yourself comfortable." With an politically correct open mind, you're "obligated" to entertain any and every thought or idea, no matter how perverted or sickening it may be, that comes your way. If you don't, you lose your "open minded" status.
I'll bet Hedgehog uses a dead bolt and a home security system. I think he's smart enough to know how to protect his home by not leaving the door open at all times and I think he tries to protect his mind the same way. Good for you, Hedgie! I applaud you, brother!

Interestingly one of the few Christian ideals that I found appealing in my youth was that you SHOULD turn the other cheek without question more often than not. So in a way, yes you should let anyone who knocks come into your home. Obviously from a realistic standpoint that is untenable behavior, but I would think a die-hard Christian wouldn't hang an argument on something so opposed to the meekness proscribed by Jesus' teachings.

Furthermore proudly closing off your mind is fairly dangerous, no? how many modern concepts, innovations, and ideas would never have come to fruition if one's mind was permanently closed? (maybe that is actually what you prefer?)
But, would we believe the earth rotated around the sun or that slavery was wrong if we didn?t allow new ideas to enter into our mind?
And at what point in your life do you close your mind? Obviously you are born with no knowledge of the world and slowly accumulate information throughout your life. How do you know *when* to ?turn off? your open-mindedness? What if you turn it off right before an ?epiphany? enters into your consciousness?
I try to approach life with an open-mind at all times so that I never miss out on something I hadn?t considered before. Now, you are trying to compare open-mindedness to ?agreeing? with everything. There are plenty of ideas that I (and I?m sure everyone) ultimately reject, for whatever reason. But hopefully an honest consideration of a new idea takes place in your mind and heart. I couldn?t stand to live otherwise.

The true bone of contention, again, boils down to some people thinking homosexuality is acceptable behavior and some don?t. Those ?camps? are further broken down into more nuanced positions. Some people might be morally opposed to homosexuality on religious grounds, but open to gay marriage because of separation of church and state. Some people might be against gay marriage & homosexuality in its entirety but prescribe to a polite/respectful way of disagreeing. Some might be violently opposed to any notion of it to the point of spitting on, and assault homosexuals. Some people might be so open minded that they?ve supported gay marriage since the first time the idea was presented to them, others came around more slowly. Lots of grey areas.

Which camp are you in? Which camp do you think Hedgie is in? Which camp are others on madjacks in?
Is it possible to discuss our various positions politely and still maintain a happy ?community? here? Is it possible to agree with someone?s position on a particularly issue, but completely disagree with the *methods* in which they communicate said ideas? (I think that?s where some people are in relation to Hedgie).

 

[ImFeklhr]

Your point is well-taken. But I do think much of what he says is genuine and in many instances, I believe he means what he says. It's those "other instances" that tip the scales. As with most of us at times, he can be a bit more zealous than reasonable. Unfortunately, he's quick with an opinion on most everything and that certainly adds to his undoing. I think he gets in big trouble when he "...is parroting concepts and ideas he has heard elsewhere because he can?t fully form them himself." This makes him appear to be something he isn't and sadly, most everyone knows it but Hedgie. I think that may be the crux of it all. I agree with you that is does make for difficult interaction. Nevertheless, I still think he's sincere.

Appreciate your open mindedness to my response :0008
You may have a sliver of a point, he clearly has become a whipping boy of the group because of the way he rubs everyone. :scared

 

[smurphy]

he clearly has become a whipping boy of the group because of the way he rubs everyone. :scared

You got two in one sentence that time. Impressive.

 

[buddy]

Interestingly one of the few Christian ideals that I found appealing in my youth was that you SHOULD turn the other cheek without question more often than not. So in a way, yes you should let anyone who knocks come into your home. Obviously from a realistic standpoint that is untenable behavior, but I would think a die-hard Christian wouldn't hang an argument on something so opposed to the meekness proscribed by Jesus' teachings.

In Matthew 21:12, Jesus went into the temple and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers. He did not allow anyone who felt a sense of entitlement to do whatever they pleased. On the other hand, his teachings greatly emphasize meekness, compassion and servitude. In the same gospel, he also said, "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

Furthermore proudly closing off your mind is fairly dangerous, no? how many modern concepts, innovations, and ideas would never have come to fruition if one's mind was permanently closed? (maybe that is actually what you prefer?)
But, would we believe the earth rotated around the sun or that slavery was wrong if we didn?t allow new ideas to enter into our mind?
And at what point in your life do you close your mind? Obviously you are born with no knowledge of the world and slowly accumulate information throughout your life. How do you know *when* to ?turn off? your open-mindedness? What if you turn it off right before an ?epiphany? enters into your consciousness?

Discretion and discernment are learned over time. Even before children are capable of cognitive thinking, they do not have to be taught to be bad. They have a proclivity to do the wrong thing. They do not have to be taught to be bad, but they have to be taught to be good. Not an easy task. Some are fortunate enough to have had parents to teach them the power of influence at an early age. Some parents prohibit their children from playing with certain others. Why? Bad influence. If you stop and think of your own life, who or what was it that lead you to do or say the wrong thing? Was it peer pressure, a magazine ad or something on tv? In any case, you were influenced by someone or some thing. For most of us, our parents controlled or greatly influenced our thinking methods by what they taught us. They controlled who came in and out of our lives. And for good reason. They understood the consequence of influence. We received punishment and reward. This process continues until children reach the age of accountability. The age where hopefully one knows for himself the difference between right and wrong and good and evil. In my opinion, this is one should know when to open or close their mind.

 

[ImFeklhr]

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

Easier said than done eh?! I remember going to catholic school and almost being excited at the challenge of always having to be "good" even under impossibly difficult situations.

I most agree with your comments about childhood and development, but I will say we reach an age of accountability far before we should turn our minds off to new ideas. I personally never will, because as headstrong as I am about how I see the world, I find myself changing my outlook from time to time. Even about big things.

 

[gardenweasel]

Interestingly one of the few Christian ideals that I found appealing in my youth was that you SHOULD turn the other cheek without question more often than not. So in a way, yes you should let anyone who knocks come into your home. Obviously from a realistic standpoint that is untenable behavior, but I would think a die-hard Christian wouldn't hang an argument on something so opposed to the meekness proscribed by Jesus' teachings.

Furthermore proudly closing off your mind is fairly dangerous, no? how many modern concepts, innovations, and ideas would never have come to fruition if one's mind was permanently closed? (maybe that is actually what you prefer?)
But, would we believe the earth rotated around the sun or that slavery was wrong if we didn?t allow new ideas to enter into our mind?
And at what point in your life do you close your mind? Obviously you are born with no knowledge of the world and slowly accumulate information throughout your life. How do you know *when* to ?turn off? your open-mindedness? What if you turn it off right before an ?epiphany? enters into your consciousness?
I try to approach life with an open-mind at all times so that I never miss out on something I hadn?t considered before. Now, you are trying to compare open-mindedness to ?agreeing? with everything. There are plenty of ideas that I (and I?m sure everyone) ultimately reject, for whatever reason. But hopefully an honest consideration of a new idea takes place in your mind and heart. I couldn?t stand to live otherwise.

The true bone of contention, again, boils down to some people thinking homosexuality is acceptable behavior and some don?t. Those ?camps? are further broken down into more nuanced positions. Some people might be morally opposed to homosexuality on religious grounds, but open to gay marriage because of separation of church and state. Some people might be against gay marriage & homosexuality in its entirety but prescribe to a polite/respectful way of disagreeing. Some might be violently opposed to any notion of it to the point of spitting on, and assault homosexuals. Some people might be so open minded that they?ve supported gay marriage since the first time the idea was presented to them, others came around more slowly. Lots of grey areas.

Which camp are you in? Which camp do you think Hedgie is in? Which camp are others on madjacks in?
Is it possible to discuss our various positions politely and still maintain a happy ?community? here? Is it possible to agree with someone?s position on a particularly issue, but completely disagree with the *methods* in which they communicate said ideas? (I think that?s where some people are in relation to Hedgie).

the answer to that is obviously a resounding "no"...and that`s really unfortunate...

 

[ImFeklhr]

the answer to that is obviously a resounding "no"...and that`s really unfortunate...

au contraire
for I truly believe:

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:0008

 

[gardenweasel]

au contraire
for I truly believe:

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:0008

you are my brotha!!!.(.and I don`t give a damn if my two shower-butlers get jealous of me for saying it!!!)......:toast:

 

[MadJack]

au contraire
for I truly believe:

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:0008

:facepalm:

 

[Skulnik]

Fuck hedge.

:0008

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[hedgehog]

Seems to me that those who are ridiculing Hedgie are upset because he has standards. Like the old saying goes, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything." He let the forum know that what Michael Sam did on tv was, in his opinion, disgusting. "This is acceptable, that is unacceptable. This is pleasing, that's disgusting. I'm smart, you?...not so much." That's Hedgehog.
He doesn't support same-sex marriage or anything on the gay rights agenda. He's not alone here. There are millions up on millions who think and feel the same. Vladimir Putin may have given Hedgehog a Cabinet position.
My point is this...If someone knocks on your door, do you without conscious thought let them enter your home? Of course not. Then why is an open door any different than an open mind? With an open door all one has to do from the comfort of the recliner is shout, "C'mon in!" With no thought of who or what you're saying it to. "It's all good, brother! Peace, love and Michael Sam! If you're a hunk, gimme a big, sloppy kiss before you make yourself comfortable." With an politically correct open mind, you're "obligated" to entertain any and every thought or idea, no matter how perverted or sickening it may be, that comes your way. If you don't, you lose your "open minded" status.
I'll bet Hedgehog uses a dead bolt and a home security system. I think he's smart enough to know how to protect his home by not leaving the door open at all times and I think he tries to protect his mind the same way. Good for you, Hedgie! I applaud you, brother!

Thanks man, appreciate it....