I heard those now-famous 16 words in Bush?s State of the Union speech referred to as a ?mistake? and an ?error? on CNN this morning. They were neither. The statement was true. How in the ever-loving hell can a factual, though insignificant sentence like this get so much attention? The answer? It?s being driven by the media. No other reason.
Is the war over?
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:shrug:StevieD said:
Two men in a row boat fishing for whales.....the book doesn't say if they catch any, but if you lick the back page it tastes like cool-aid.
StevieD we use to call it I got your back covered. Now days they use a better word. Spin. I see we lost 5 more men last two days. Sounds like Bush may ask Nato to help out. No chit. Well its better late then never. We still have 94% of the troops in Iraq. Last 6% belong to England and Australia.
What Pi$$es me off is that this whole war has been spin. Hell. they can't even come up with a reason why we are there, unless we are to believe that Rumsfeld and Chaney are humanitarians all of a sudden and realize that their former business partner Saddam was creating these torturous crimes right under their noses.
Of cousre I hope we win this thing in the end. Our billions of dollars on bombs so far have not bought much. We won't know the true winner of this war, except for Halliburton and friends, for years. After all the dust settles and we see who is in charge of the country.
Of cousre I hope we win this thing in the end. Our billions of dollars on bombs so far have not bought much. We won't know the true winner of this war, except for Halliburton and friends, for years. After all the dust settles and we see who is in charge of the country.
nah i don't know why we are over there either...who cares about our credibility, gasoline for our cars, heat for our homes, American business, our safety (notice that Iran seems to be cooperating all of a sudden in regards to Al Quaeda), and on it goes....
especially those evil American business.....geez i can't stand those...oh wait, my father in law to be is a VP of one of them....what an evil guy he must be after listening to all your disenfranchised liberals....
shouldda just got the UN to pass another resolution....think that we couldda got about 40 passed and defied by now?
especially those evil American business.....geez i can't stand those...oh wait, my father in law to be is a VP of one of them....what an evil guy he must be after listening to all your disenfranchised liberals....
shouldda just got the UN to pass another resolution....think that we couldda got about 40 passed and defied by now?
Dr. this what I mean about spin. The reasons you give for being over there were never mentioned by Bush. Except the our safety one and there is a stronger link to bin Laden and Bush then there is to Bin Laden and Saddam.
Maybe we are there for American Business and gasoline for our cars. But if we are Bush or any of his croonies never said it.
Maybe we are there for American Business and gasoline for our cars. But if we are Bush or any of his croonies never said it.
StevieD
It only seems like spin because you're an 'uneducated bottom feeder' per the Dr.. Your logic is a result of your economic and social shortcomings I guess. LOL
On an entirely different note, Albert Einstein once said "I do not know what kind of weapons will be used to fight WW III but WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Let's just hope that Korea and Iran aren't the match to set off some global holocaust. This crew that's in there right now doesn't have the brains to actually get anything constructively done, just 'spin it' during and after any conflict......and point fingers.
It only seems like spin because you're an 'uneducated bottom feeder' per the Dr.. Your logic is a result of your economic and social shortcomings I guess. LOL
On an entirely different note, Albert Einstein once said "I do not know what kind of weapons will be used to fight WW III but WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Let's just hope that Korea and Iran aren't the match to set off some global holocaust. This crew that's in there right now doesn't have the brains to actually get anything constructively done, just 'spin it' during and after any conflict......and point fingers.
stevie,
this issue has been debated extensively in this forum, & nobody is going to change anyone's mind.
but the bottom line is that saddam signed a contract, which btw, was saddam's idea to end the first gulf war. and like everyone else who signs a contract, he was expected to live up to that contract.
the problem in today's world is that people don't live up to contract that they sign & they make excuses for breaking it. major league ballplayers are examples of not living up to their contracts. that attitude is wrong, & as i tell my tenants when they sign a lease, both parties who sign the lease( contract) must follow it, & if not there will be reprecussions(sp?).
saddam did not live up to the contract that he signed, by either telling the international community where he kept the wmd, or to show proof that he destroyed them. he did neither & after stalling for 11 years, some leaders had the courage to call him on it, & he was fired.
this issue has been debated extensively in this forum, & nobody is going to change anyone's mind.
but the bottom line is that saddam signed a contract, which btw, was saddam's idea to end the first gulf war. and like everyone else who signs a contract, he was expected to live up to that contract.
the problem in today's world is that people don't live up to contract that they sign & they make excuses for breaking it. major league ballplayers are examples of not living up to their contracts. that attitude is wrong, & as i tell my tenants when they sign a lease, both parties who sign the lease( contract) must follow it, & if not there will be reprecussions(sp?).
saddam did not live up to the contract that he signed, by either telling the international community where he kept the wmd, or to show proof that he destroyed them. he did neither & after stalling for 11 years, some leaders had the courage to call him on it, & he was fired.
Auspice you said something that is scarey. I do believe I have to believe Bush wants to be a honest fellow. Does he look and sound alittle spinned out. Yes some days he does. His problem is Rummy and Chenny. You mention nuke war. Those two cats would want to push the first bottons. Iran I dont see as problem. There about Iraq style not much there. N Korea differnat story. I dont think it will happen I hope. believe Bush will deal with N korea in the end just as last 5 presidents have.
And yes to those here that think no one knows why we went to war with Iraq. Check the paper every other day for the latest reason. I believe as many other right wingers here I had it right to start with. Black Gold.
Sounds like 9/11 report had little to do with Iraq. But they will not give American people complete story. If they did. Talk about nukes. That is just what every American would love to do with Suadi. GD cock suckers. And how they keep getting a free pass I just dont under stand. And the war hawks in here that give Saudi free pass. What the hells wrong with you.
And yes to those here that think no one knows why we went to war with Iraq. Check the paper every other day for the latest reason. I believe as many other right wingers here I had it right to start with. Black Gold.
Sounds like 9/11 report had little to do with Iraq. But they will not give American people complete story. If they did. Talk about nukes. That is just what every American would love to do with Suadi. GD cock suckers. And how they keep getting a free pass I just dont under stand. And the war hawks in here that give Saudi free pass. What the hells wrong with you.
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. - Winston Churchill
P.S.- To no one in particular as I enjoy reading these threads.
P.S.- To no one in particular as I enjoy reading these threads.
I hate Saudi nuke em. to StevieD
Just reread my post. The problem with using a written form of communication is it's hard to sometimes get your point accross in the same manner that it's intended. I was trying to be sarcastic and I'm not sure it came through as I intended. My apologies if it didn't. Fact is: you're the clearest voice of reason in a sea of swill most of the time. My favorite poster. Again, my apology.
Just reread my post. The problem with using a written form of communication is it's hard to sometimes get your point accross in the same manner that it's intended. I was trying to be sarcastic and I'm not sure it came through as I intended. My apologies if it didn't. Fact is: you're the clearest voice of reason in a sea of swill most of the time. My favorite poster. Again, my apology.
auspice quote:" Fact is: you're the clearest voice of reason in a sea of swill most of the time."
auspice,
is that what you think of the posters here that you don't agree with ?
and although i always don't agree with stevie all the time, he is one of my favorite posters also. one of the reasons why is because he doesn't make personal attacks.
auspice,
is that what you think of the posters here that you don't agree with ?
and although i always don't agree with stevie all the time, he is one of my favorite posters also. one of the reasons why is because he doesn't make personal attacks.
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no spin is saying that my statement "most voters in the democratic party are bottomfeeders" implies that StevieD is one
THAT is spin Auspice...an implication which has nothing to do with a fact that is presented but instead twisted to discredit a point i made
there is no debate that most of the votes that the Dem's get comes from people who feed off the achievers
THAT is spin Auspice...an implication which has nothing to do with a fact that is presented but instead twisted to discredit a point i made
there is no debate that most of the votes that the Dem's get comes from people who feed off the achievers
there are many countries we could have gone after because of ties to terrorism and Al Quaeda but Iraq qualified before the others for two reasons
1. They were a pain in our ass and hurting our credibility with their defiance
2. Oil
IMO you add all these reasons and it was a good place to get our credibility back and continue to hunt these people down one by one...as stated, Iran already is showing some signs of cooperation....Saudi has shown a little more willingness and we ahve seen a lot less Anti-AMericanism promoted by their governmetn since Iraq
I don't know why there is a big stink about this whole Africa/British intelligence/SOTU speech....well, i probably do....leftists have to have something to bitch about....and this is what they are currently bitching about....and the media constantly emphasizes stupid things like this....
notice how the mainstream media did not even MENTION the sabotage in California.....imagine if Conservatives were caught saying such a thing -- about how they could extend a budget crisis for political gain -- Brokaw, Jennings, and Rather would have a field day!!!
1. They were a pain in our ass and hurting our credibility with their defiance
2. Oil
IMO you add all these reasons and it was a good place to get our credibility back and continue to hunt these people down one by one...as stated, Iran already is showing some signs of cooperation....Saudi has shown a little more willingness and we ahve seen a lot less Anti-AMericanism promoted by their governmetn since Iraq
I don't know why there is a big stink about this whole Africa/British intelligence/SOTU speech....well, i probably do....leftists have to have something to bitch about....and this is what they are currently bitching about....and the media constantly emphasizes stupid things like this....
notice how the mainstream media did not even MENTION the sabotage in California.....imagine if Conservatives were caught saying such a thing -- about how they could extend a budget crisis for political gain -- Brokaw, Jennings, and Rather would have a field day!!!
Dr freeze
Your statement that 'most voters in the Democratic party are botto feeders' is not spin. It's a pinheaded view. You're the 'humanatarian' that wanted to 'liberate' the Iraqi people by using atomic bombs on them. Anything you say is more or less some 'spin' that's played the last 10 minutes on fox. You're a devisive little prick with no conscience or moral fiber. There, do you understand me better?
AR182 and Chaman ......you're entirely too sensitive. I wasn't talking about you two. No one called you two swill. But yes, there is a lot of swill here. If you want me to pretend there isn't .....boom.....I now believe there isn't. Happy?
Your statement that 'most voters in the Democratic party are botto feeders' is not spin. It's a pinheaded view. You're the 'humanatarian' that wanted to 'liberate' the Iraqi people by using atomic bombs on them. Anything you say is more or less some 'spin' that's played the last 10 minutes on fox. You're a devisive little prick with no conscience or moral fiber. There, do you understand me better?
AR182 and Chaman ......you're entirely too sensitive. I wasn't talking about you two. No one called you two swill. But yes, there is a lot of swill here. If you want me to pretend there isn't .....boom.....I now believe there isn't. Happy?
