Just for you Scott4USC

[bbk]

1st of all stop all the stupid ass talk about #1 recruiting class and strength of schedule. The reason why USC is #2 has to do with when the lost. If Miami had lost early in the season and run the table they would be number one. Take a look at the bcs the difference is how they are ranked in the ap and coaches poll. If USC had lost to CAL last week they would drop to 6 or 7 just like Miami. As far as recruiting class who the hell cares who has the #1 recruiting class obviously history shows that does not mean crap so give up on that theory. Back to strength of schedule. Lets take a close look at USC schedule. Name on impressive win and if you say at Auburn check the BCS are they even in the top 25 so throw out Auburn and I think the game might be a little different if they played now. OK so you are going to say Wash State; the same team that got beat by Notre Dame a team with 5-6 losses; very impressive. They beat BYU and Hawaii at home impressive.
They got beat by a terrible Cal team; kicker or no kicker; I hate people that use excuses; a loss is a loss deal with it; they won at ASU; an ASU that is getting there ass handed to them on a weekly basis. They won a home game against Stanford...impressive...oh never mind they suck too...they won at Washington (the worst wash team in the last 5 years) and now they have the gauntlet of playing at Arizona (tough one) and home games against UCLA and Ore State. another 2 tough games and no championship Game. USC has beat 1 team currently in the top 25 of the BCS so I dont care what stats you throw at me thats pathetic. Now I hate Miami but look at who they have to play and you talk about how Miami not wanted to play USC; well if USC played Tenn, Florida, at Florida State, at Pitt; at Vtech I probably would not want to add any more meat to my Schedule; so looking at Miami shedule they have beaten the number 3 team in the bcs; they play the #13 team this week; they beat the number 17 team; they play #25 team in 2 weeks; and they lost to the #6 team. Not too shabby; Now look at LSU I think most people would agree they deserve to be #2; playing in the SEC and with a number of impressive wins. Last thing about OU; lets take a look at there schedule; they have played and spanked 3 teams in the top 25 of the BCS; and you think they have not faced a team like USC; what about Texas; they have just as many or more athletes than USC; I am sure they would be plenty of physical with any PAC 10 team and I guarantee you this Texas would be favored by 7 or more against any pac 10 team with maybe the exception of USC; and I hate Texas but do realize they have plenty of talent; maybe not the coaching; also isnt this USC highest ranking since 1987; where have they been the last 16 years. Wasnt the last time USC faced a big xii team was last year against KSU at HOME and KSU sucked that year and you had Carson Palmer and a better RB and you put up 7 points and got beatdown. Dont you think OU is licking there chops at facing a qb who never took a snap before this year. The problem with you Scott is you are homer and everyone knows it. If OU does end up playing USC they will get spanked just like Wash State did last year in the Rose Bowl the same team that gave a BEATDOWN to your precious USC team.

 

[ND2002HORNS]

bbk - WOW! Well said and great info to support your arguement. Lets face it, the PAC-10 sucks this year. As many on this board have stated they are the number 6 out of the 6 major conferences. I wonder how involved this Scott guy is with the football program. He says he is a volunteer manager but he is on the board every afternoon when football practice is in session. Hmmmmmmmm.........
Anyways, the guy will twist everything in his favour as always. For every stat that you have to support your info he comes back and says something to contradict what he said before. I am done with this guy. Great post and keep bringing it!

HORNS

 

[Kdogg21]

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[Scott4USC]

bbk Nice write-up but it does not make sense. I do not think you read my posts. Check em out under GMAN thread, could answer your questions.

USC was NOT contending for the NC this year. USC is very young team (scary), and USC lost early. Why would BCS want Miami who got blown out by V-Tech last week (and escaped 2 losses this year) vs a young USC team who lost early, rebounded, and is playing the best football along with OU? Makes sense to me. Now if Miami beat W. Virginia and FL soundly, and barely lost a tough matchup against V-Tech, then Miami has a case. I do not think Miami is that good this year.

According to BCS Strength of Schedule (not bias)

USC is #13 in the country for SOS. Impressive to me. Look at the pac 10 OOC games and the other conferences OOC games. Pac 10 teams traditionally play tougher OOC games than other conferences and usually do well. That might help you explain why the pac 10 is not so crappy. Look at how well the BIG 10 has played against the pac 10 in recent years. Oregon beating top ranked team in Big 10 Michigan (game was not as close as the score showed) In the SEC USC has beaten AU twice and UCLA has beaten Alabama twice within the last 4years. Miami split with UW in their recent series. Just from top of my head. I know the pac 10 has lost to other OOC teams, but these are games I remember from the top of my head. For the record, OU (from powerful BIG 12) wanted to cancel out on UCLA game and pay UCLA $500,000. Said they did not want to play that tough of schedule. lol.

Do i think the pac 10 is toughest conference this year? HELL NO!

As for Miami not wanting to play USC. IT IS A FACT. Yes I AGREE Miami plays tough OOC schedule, but they have the motto play anyone anywhere. USC is one of the few teams that will take on any team anywhere. USC wanted to play Miami this year week before opening @ AU (who was considered a pre-season #1 by a lot of people) USC wanted to play Miami #2 and AU #3 the first 2 weeks of the year this year. Thats impressive. USC is not afraid of anyone or any schedule. Next year USC is in the BCA game and wanted Miami (they said no) and USC said they play anyone. Maybe one of those "feared" SEC teams will come calling. Nobody wants to play USC.

Now for LSU, i totally disagree on them deserving to be #2. According to the BCS, they have a strength of schedule of 63 compared to USC SOS of #13.

Lets see LSU schedule. I would be embarrassed if USC scheduled Louisiana Monroe. Thats embarrassing. Then LSU plays the worst team in the pac 10 Arizona (maybe worst team EVER in the pac 10). Wait it gets harder for LSU. Their 3rd game of year they played Western Illinois. Why do LSU fans put up with this schedule? Or is LSU trying to go the easy route to a NC???? This weekend LSU plays powerful Louisiana Tech. I thought we are talking about division 1 football, why are they playing div. 2 teams???? lol.

TOUGH OOC SCHEDULE LSU!!!!! :nono: They deserve to have an SOS strength of 63.

I already answered the OU vs USC question in another thread. OU did beat the 2nd ranked pac 10 WSU team in Rose Bowl pretty good. But you also might be forgetting the great WSU qb GESSAR was a gimp. Hurt very badly and could not move/throw, but was warrior and tried. Also the WSU coach had already accepted the Alabama head coaching job too. So how focused was the WSU team. Think about it.

Any more thoughts? Please do not feel so threatened by USC or my posts.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr Hockey]

Scott I pointed out the facts about these two teams schedule wise. You questioned my calculating eventhough I was using #'s from the same place you were using them in your counter arguement. USC does not deserve to be #2. They just lost at the right time. They play in the weakest of the major conferences & lost to a team that isn't better then the team LSU lost too.

Florida would be almost dd favorites over Cal if they played right now.

 

[bbk]

Are you kidding me??? Why dont you respond to USC getting spanked at home last year with a better team to a terrible KSTATE team??? I dont care if their schedule strength says #1 by the BCS any moron can tell by looking at USC shedule that its a joke and they have yet to play a better than average team; and you might want to read what I said in regards to MIAMI not playing USC; I agree with MIAMI by saying no; look at who they play all year; they dont need any more hard games; also what about USC playing hawaii and byu; they freaking suck so dont act like they USC plays a hard non conference schedule and as far as ou trying to cancel the UCLA game; I dont see why they hung 60 on them and took another pac 10 team to the woodshed like they always do; and look at you giving yet another excuse about why wsu lost to ou; they got flat out dominated i dont care if gesser could fly; they had no chance in that game; so quit with your excuses a loss is a loss and getting taking to the woodshed is getting taken to the woodshed. And as far as LSU; they may play some crappy teams but if I had to play in the SEC I probably would not load up on a bunch of top 20 teams either in non conf; rembember I said winning againgt good teams including GEORGIA I wont include them taking AUBURN to the WOODSHED. Its funny how you dont respond to MIAMI's SOS even your homer glasses have to see thats not even a contest. I would love to see MIAMI's defense FSU defense or OU's defense or LSU def shut USC down; USC will have to remember they arent playing in the pac 10's weakass defensive schemes.

FIGHT ON GO KSTATE

 

[Mr Hockey]

Hmm I actually thought a healthy WSU team last year could have beat Oklahoma

 

[Cie]

Now for LSU, i totally disagree on them deserving to be #2. According to the BCS, they have a strength of schedule of 63 compared to USC SOS of #13.

Scott

Not bashing, just informing you.

LSU had Bowling Green and Marshall back out of contracts to play this season. UL-Monroe and DivII W Illinois were "last minute" replacements. This has obviously affected LSUs SOS.

LSU is just beating whoever is placed in front of them and doing it convincingly except for the "slip-up" vs Fla off of their last bye week.

 

[ND2002HORNS]

CG - You are right about BG and Marshall pulling out. I thought they had some sort of lawsuit against Marshall.

HORNS

 

[Skipper]

BBK,

That is one hell of an argument and I agree with you on most all of your arguments.

Let me also add that I hate Miami like no other team in the nation, but their schedule makes USC's look like cake. In fact the Big East is as tough or tougher than the PAC 10 this year. I would put the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Big East, and even the ACC and the MAC up there with the PAC 10.

The statement he made about USC and the SEC is probably the most moronic thing I have ever heard and I think 99% of the people on here would agree. However, this is America and we still have to respect his opinion however rediculous it may be.

 

[ND2002HORNS]

I love how he feels we are threatened by him. The more he opens his mouth the more he contradicts himself. So funny. He tells us USC is building a dynasty. But then contradicts himself and says USC will win 2 National Titles in the next 5 years. Last time I checked anybody claiming to be a dynasty needs to win at least back to back titles and then another on top of that within a short time period. Winning 2 out of 5 does not make a dynasty.

HORNS

 

[daftplayer]

CG...........good point. LSU is beating who is placed in front of them. That's all they can do. And that's why they have this crazy system in place called BCS computer/ranking to sort it all out. However , the fact remains they play #63 SOS according to the system and Monroe/W. Illinois/LA. Tech/and Az play into that. USC SOS ranks at #13, so no matter who's doggin em, it is what it is. And #63 is not gonna top #13.

Still, BBK gets on about LSU power and SOS and yadda yadda. Come on. Last year OOC was Va Tech (fair enough... even though they finished poorly....LSU played them 1st game of season when they/VT, were still good)/Citadel (wow)/Miami Oh/and Lafayette. And 2001 was tulane/utah st/and mid tenn st. And I wouldn't call Miss ST or Ky powers either. In the end, you play what's there. But how you see #63 sked should be higher rank than #13 is beyond me. And yeah, the later in season you lose, the more it hurts. Always has been that way.

BBK, you should get your facts straight. ND2002 said Scott "will twist everything in his favour." But you don't even have the right info. Reads like the Al Franken best seller on Bill O'Reilly and Shawn Hannity Colmes or whatever frick his name is. Untruths.

You say USC lost at home last year to a lousy K ST team.
FALSE.
USC lost on the road last year to a #6 rank at the time(not to mention Top 10 final ranking) 27-20 in an epic game. It was their 3rd game of the season coming off a 6-6 year in 2001. They had beaten #22 Auburn at home in 2002 opener. They then, as you say, took #14 Colorado to the woodshed in Boulder, 40-3. #14...Big 12. Hmmmm. Then came the K St game on the road. No excuses...as you say and I agree, a loss is a loss. But try and get your facts straight if you're gonna rip on West Coast. We're so tired of hearing you say every year, "anyway, the PAC 10 sucks this year," just like ND2002 earlier.

You say USC beat a so-so Auburn team this year while LSU "took em to the woodshed."
FALSE
Anybody who's ever played sport will tell ya getting the first win of the season is always the hardest. USC went to #6 Auburn (rough place to play I'm told) in first game of year with inexperience QB and won. Final score: 24-0

LSU at home, in your words, then took a #21 Auburn team "to the woodshed." Final: 31-7
Looks like 24 pt margin either way to me. One on the road and one at home.

In the end, it is what it is. So much of it's subjective and that's not gonna change for a long time.

Is Miami an awesome team? Well, they were about to become only the 2nd team ever to win 40 straight reg season games. Is Brock Berlin any good? Dunno...seems to have trouble on the road and Fla let him go, although he did get his payback earlier this year on that one. Is the Big East a power football conf? Well, don't know for sure...but the 2 best teams are leaving. Wonder what they were thinking. Something like "well the PAC 10 really sucks again this year." Don't know. But do know they lost to a team (VA Tech), 31-7. And that team had just been badly beaten by WVU, 28-7. a team with a 4-4 record, who lost at home to Cincy. It kinda sounds like your USC/Cal game theory a bit. A loss is a loss. No excuses. And the later they come the more they hurt.

And while we're on the biz of saying how PAC 10 sucks again this year. Whadda about the ACC? Who's been champs of that conf lately? Hmmmm......must be a whole lotta balance there...or just one very good program who qualifies for BCS with what was it last year? 9-4?....or something like that. For the record BBK...it was 9-4....soon to be 9-5 after thrashing by Ga. You see, if you're gonna talk the the talk, you should back it up with facts.

in the end....Miami, FSU, V tech, WVU, LSU, OU.....they are all top quality. But so is USC. and so is the PAC 10, so give us a break.

Where has USC been last 16 years? That's fresh. Where was OU b4 Stoops? Where is Ala now? Where is ND? What about FSU last year? Jo Pa?

USC is #2 right now. That's what polls say. That's what BCS says. In 2001, Pete Carroll started 2-5. Since then.....23-4. Bet he's happy he landed in the sucky PAC 10. Wonder if he's still trying to figure out how he had to play the #1 SOS last year in such a sucky conference!

Now can we get back to makin' $$$.

 

[ND2002HORNS]

I said the Pac-10 sucks this year and it does, don't put words in my mouth by saying I said the Pac-10 sucked last year. Pac-10 was solid last year. You have a long way to go when it comes to reading what someone said and then telling us the opposite.

HORNS

 

[Scott4USC]

daftplayer

EXCELLENT POST! I am glad you came into this thread. I needed another intelligent poster in this thread. I hope to see you post more often at madjacks.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr Hockey]

The poster sounds like a ghost.

Sorry Scott but all because we aren't HOMERS doesn't mean we aren't intelligent. I'm still waiting for your legitimate arguement based on the #'s I gave you.

Lets say LSU wins out including the SEC Title Game, I ask you what will give USC the edge over them? By then their SOS will be higher then USC's!

 

[daftplayer]

ND2002......You provide great info here all the time so pls excuse/forigve me for seemingly misquoting you. However, if you go back you'll see I put your exact words in quotations where you said "sucks this year." .

The line that led up to it said we're so tired of hearing you(not meaning "you" specific) say every year...... Those words were not in quotes and therefore not attributed to you. The 'you' there was kinda a universal thing. Thanks for the clarification. But i gotta say we do hear it from many each and every year.

We do like to throw it around and that goes against the grain of alot of old-schoolers and some others as well.

Now i gotta figure out BG and Miami. I like the over but they have played some low scorers in the past.

 

[bbk]

Bottom line Forget about history; lets look at the present PAC 10 does suck this year; Big XII is worse than last year but still top 3 conference; SEC is back to being the best conference and all of this who beat who wont matter because USC if they do run the table will get a beatdown by OU so its all a moot point who is 2nd because that is all they are playing for....2nd. And everyone keeps forgetting USC has 2 losses against a BIG XII team in the last 2 years and daft you just made my point a 6-6 team beat USC ass 2 years ago then beat them again the next year at USC; if anyone should be complaining it should be MIAMI they have lost games out of the last 41 and they are automatically out; give me a break; whats USC record if they play at FSU; at VTECH; at PITT; TENN at home and FLORIDA AT HOME...It could be 0-5 or 2-3 at best; so you USC backers need to slow your roll on how you should be #2 and try and beat CAl next year; what a horrible loss and i mean horrrrrible cal freakin sucks

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey

You laugh and claim you use the same data Sagarin ratings uses. How come Sagarin ratings has USC SOS #10 and LSU SOS #66???

You use the same data, right? :shrug:

I do not agree with how you did your judgment on SOS. Sagarin ratings is not alone in ranking USC SOS a lot stronger than LSU.

Re-read my post above on why I would not give LSU the #2 ranking. Also, re-read daftplayer's post as well. He brought up excellent points as well.

USC is the better team, the polls will rank USC ahead of LSU. LSU has shown me they are a good/great team, but unfortunately they lost 1 game and with that schedule, you cannot lose 1 game. Last year USC had 2 losses and was ranked very high because USC played the #1 SOS.

I think Miami and Ohio St. have legitimate arguments on taking claim to being #2 team in the nation provided they win out. My only problem with Miami and Ohio St. is how they won this year. I am not that impressed by either team even though they managed to win games they were "outplayed" in. Does not mean i do not think they are bad team, i just do not "think" they are better than USC. FSU has a weak case because they lost badly to Miami and have not beaten a ranked team all year.

All in all, I think we need a playoff system. Last year USC would have won the NC if there was a playoff system. USC did not deserve to go to NC game last year, but i am just saying USC was the best team in the nation last year.

I would want an 4 team playoff system, and let the BCS select the 4 teams.

 

[ND2002HORNS]

Mr. H - I couldn't agree with you more. Mr. know it all only likes it if you agree with him and is now saying nobody on this board is intelligent. I am so tired of this guys act. So Scott, do you know who Chris Dufresne and Gary Klein are???????????? You should if you are a volunteer manager with USC football. They write for the LA Times and do pieces on USC. How come you are on the board posting crap and not at football practice? Every week you are on the board during practice time. You were nowhere to be found when USC lost, funny how that works. You see, you not only pissed me off telling me and others on MJ's that we are not intelligent but if you really are a volunteer manager with USC football and you are using being a manager as a way to get an edge with GAMBLING, well that is against the rules:nono:
I am presently having you checked out. You see I write with the AP and do weekly columns. I do work on the radio as well. I know many sportswriters across Canada and the U.S. Many people know who I am and what I do so you screwed with the wrong person. I will let everyone know on this board just who you are when I have all the info in my hands.

HORNS:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Scott4USC]

bbk

USC beat CO the last 2 times they played. 3 years ago CO came to LA and USC beat them. Then last year USC played @ #14 CO and won 40-3.

USC lost to #6 @ KSU 27-20, and lost to #11 KSU at home 10-6

Also i think USC is 4-1 against OU!

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!