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Been accused of skirting issue by Kosar 3 times and it gettings old--as I always ask him to put it up.
Something to do with Mac and GW grand father.

Here was last one yesterday.

Yesterday, 05:58 PM
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Wayne,

You still digging into the 'character' of grandpappy Bush and the 'family values' of McCain, or should I pretty much give up on getting any sort of answer?
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So simple solution is put it under one heading--
You put up your facts--I'll put up mine

You can start on GW and Mac history of family values--I don't have time for my list on O as it will be quite lengthy--but will be back tonight.
 

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Been accused of skirting issue by Kosar 3 times and it gettings old--as I always ask him to put it up.
Something to do with Mac and GW grand father.

Here was last one yesterday.

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Wayne,

You still digging into the 'character' of grandpappy Bush and the 'family values' of McCain, or should I pretty much give up on getting any sort of answer?
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So simple solution is put it under one heading--
You put up your facts--I'll put up mine

You can start on GW and Mac history of family values--I don't have time for my list on O as it will be quite lengthy--but will be back tonight.

Family values.

McCain- cheated on wife with Cindy as wife was on deathbed.

Obama- has wife, is in an apparently stable marriage, and has 2 seemingly well-adjusted daughters.

I'll be waiting with bated breath for your 'lengthy' list of Obamas failures when it comes to family values.

Then again, i've been waiting on your opinion of Prescott Bush's 'character' for about a week now.
 

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Ok Here is profile from Wikipedia--would you high light areas your talking about--wasn't his miltary service in 1919 was it? :)

P.S. Is this the right one born in1800's your talking about--is that the best you could do?????



Prescott Bush
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Prescott Sheldon Bush



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United States Senator
from Connecticut
In office
November 5, 1952 ? January 2, 1963
Preceded by William A. Purtell
Succeeded by Abraham A. Ribicoff

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Born May 15, 1895(1895-05-15)
Columbus, Ohio
Died October 8, 1972 (aged 77)
New York City, New York
Nationality American
Political party Republican
Spouse Dorothy Walker Bush
Prescott Sheldon Bush (May 15, 1895 ? October 8, 1972) was a United States Senator from Connecticut, a Wall Street executive banker, founding partner with Brown Brothers Harriman and a director of Union Banking Corp. His involvement with that bank, of which he owned exactly 1 share, [1] did not, however, interfere with his bid to become a United States Senator in 1952, an office which he held until January 1963. He was the father of former President of the United States George H. W. Bush and the grandfather of President George W. Bush.



[edit] Early life
Bush was born in Columbus, Ohio to Samuel Prescott Bush and Flora (Sheldon) Bush. Samuel Bush was a railroad executive, then a steel company president, and during World War I, also a federal government official in charge of coordination and assistance to major weapons contractors.

Bush attended the Douglas School in Columbus and then St. George's School in Newport, Rhode Island from 1908 to 1913. In 1913, he enrolled at Yale University. Three subsequent generations of the Bush family have been Yale alumni. Prescott Bush was admitted to the Zeta Psi fraternity while at Yale and Skull and Bones secret society. George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush were also members of that society.

Prescott Bush played varsity golf, football, and baseball, and was president of the Yale Glee Club.


[edit] Military service
After graduation, Bush served as a field artillery captain with the American Expeditionary Forces (1917?1919) during World War I. He received intelligence training at Verdun, France, and was briefly assigned to a staff of French officers. Alternating between intelligence and artillery, Bush came under fire in the Meuse-Argonne offensive. In what became a controversy, Bush wrote home about receiving medals for heroic exploits, and his letters were later published in Columbus newspapers. However, Bush retracted statements made in his letters a few weeks later when it was revealed that he, in fact, had not received such medals. The retraction was made in a cable in which Bush stated that his earlier letter had been written "in a spirit of fun" and was not intended for publication.[2]


[edit] Business career
After his discharge in 1919, Prescott Bush went to work for the Simmons Hardware Company in St. Louis, Missouri.

The Bushes moved to Columbus, Ohio, in 1923, where Prescott Bush went to work for the Hupp Products Company, where his business efforts generally failed. He left in November 1923 to become president of sales for Stedman Products in South Braintree, Massachusetts. It was during this time that he lived in a Victorian home at 173 Adams Street in Milton, Massachusetts, where his son, George H.W. Bush, was born.

In 1924, Bush had been made a vice-president of A. Harriman & Co. by his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker. Also employed by the company were E. Roland Harriman and Knight Woolley, Bush's Yale classmates and fellow Bonesmen. Seven years later, Bush became a founding partner of Brown Brothers Harriman & Co. that was created through the 1931 merger of Brown Bros. & Co., a merchant bank founded in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1818 with Harriman Brothers & Co., established in New York City in 1927, and A. Harriman & Co.

In 1925, Bush joined the United States Rubber Company of New York City as manager of the foreign division, and moved to Greenwich, Connecticut.




From 1944 to 1956, Bush was a member of the Yale Corporation, the principal governing body of Yale University. Bush was on the board of directors of CBS, having been introduced to chairman William S. Paley around 1932 by his close friend and colleague William Averell Harriman, who became a major Democratic Party power-broker.


[edit] Political career
Bush was a typical New England Republican of his time; as a former banker, he was a pro-business conservative, but held many positions today considered socially moderate. He was involved with the American Birth Control League as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947. Bush was also an early supporter of the United Negro College Fund, serving as chairman of the Connecticut branch in 1951.


Bush with President Dwight D. Eisenhower in the Oval Office.From 1947 to 1950, he served as Connecticut Republican finance chairman, and was the Republican candidate for the United States Senate in 1950. One of his opponents at the time, a Republican woman named Vivien Kellems, said that Bush's nomination was an inside job of political sabotage in favor of William Benton, the Democratic nominee. A columnist in Boston said that Bush "is coming on to be known as President Truman's Harry Hopkins. Nobody knows Mr. Bush and he hasn't a Chinaman's chance."[3] Bush's ties with Planned Parenthood also hurt him in heavily Catholic Connecticut, and were the basis of a last-minute campaign in churches by Bush's opponents; the family vigorously denied the connection, but Bush lost to Benton by only 1,000 votes.

In 1952, he was elected to the Senate, defeating Abraham Ribicoff for the seat vacated by the death of James O'Brien McMahon. A staunch supporter of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Bush served until January 1963. He was reelected in 1956 with 55 percent of the vote over Democrat Thomas J. Dodd (later U.S. Senator from Connecticut and father of the current U.S. Senator from Connecticut, Christopher J. Dodd), and decided not to run for another term in 1962. He was a key ally for the passage of Eisenhower's Interstate Highway System.[4], and during his tenure supported the Polaris submarine project (ships which were built by Electric Boat Corporation in Groton, Connecticut), civil rights legislation, and the establishment of the Peace Corps.[5]

On December 2, 1954, Bush was part of the large (67-22) majority to censure Wisconsin Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy, after McCarthy had taken on the US Army and the Eisenhower administration. Dwight D. Eisenhower later included Bush's name on an undated handwritten list of prospective candidates he favored for the 1960 GOP presidential nomination.

Bush's moderate politics became more complicated in time. In terms of issues he often agreed with New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller, but personally disliked and politically opposed him, despite the close relationship his father had with the Rockefeller family. During the 1964 election, Bush denounced Rockefeller for divorcing his first wife and marrying a woman about 20 years his junior with whom Rockefeller had been having an affair while married to his first wife[5].

On the February 7, 2007 episode of The Daily Show, guest Ralph Nader mentioned that his mother Rose Nader had extracted a promise from Bush to build a dry dam for a river near the Nader home by refusing to let go of his hand after shaking it upon being introduced to him.




The grave of Prescott BushBush married Dorothy Walker on August 6, 1921, in Kennebunkport, Maine. They had five children: Prescott "Pressy" Bush, Jr. (b. 1922), George H. W. Bush (b. 1924, named after Dorothy's father George Herbert Walker), Nancy Bush (b. 1926), Jonathan Bush (b. 1931), and William "Bucky" Bush (b. 1938).

Bush founded the Yale Glee Club Associates, an alumni group, in 1937. Following his father-in-law, he was a member of the executive committee of the United States Golf Association (USGA), serving successively as secretary, vice-president and president, 1928-1935. He was a multi-year club champion of the Round Hill Club in Greenwich, Connecticut, and was on the committee set up by New York City Mayor Robert F. Wagner, Jr. to help create the New York Mets.


Bush maintained homes in New York, Long Island, and Greenwich, Connecticut; the family compound at Kennebunkport, Maine; a 10,000 acre (40 km?) plantation in South Carolina; and a secluded island off the Connecticut coast, Fishers Island.


The headstone of Prescott BushHe died in 1972 at age 77 and was interred at Putnam Cemetery in Greenwich, Connecticut.
 

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On McCain per fact check.org
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_john_mccain_cheat_on_his_first.html

Don't know how to get this in one thread so you tell me which part of his life you would like me to elaborate on

Details of mother-fathers (I'll keep it R rated)--not sure on 1/2 brothers and sisters--maybe Scott can help there.

School day associates--friends--college room mates he went home with on break--To Pakistan--college room mate busted for drugs?


Political climb/Chicago connections
1st win--by having all other runners thrown out on technicalities in primary?
1st loss to ex black panther

Road to victories--names of radicals/crooks backing him.

his voting record in Illinois tied in to district he represented and basically did give hope--to criminals--see voting record below

His personal finanaces at age 40

Talk the talk------from his book
"everyone has obligation to vote yes or no"
buts votes present 130 times--or what about the times he does vote--at top of list was only senator to vote for early release of sex offenders--
would gladly put whole list up here again if you'd like.

So we come to present day when only thing has is the talk--again Hope change--

Your job Matt and all can assist you--is show me any change he has produced anywhere other than for criminals in Illinois.

Why I can't vote him--
-I still have subliminal thoughts of the other Hussein
--ulitimate dysfunctional family backround a negative
--political aspirations never developed until criminal/radical elements began their push--my view they found a person they could rule.

Has constantly lied about extent of associationswith radical/criminals.

Back the rev to the hilt- until Rev acknowledged he knew O well and was playing public like a fiddle for political reasons--my thoughts who knows him better than his self proclaimed uncle/mentor and wifes comments would back that also.

---and what kind of person ignores laws to the tune of 17 tickets and runs off with out paying any--and preaches hope and change.

If you need hope from person who was paying credit card debt in his 40's--has no disregard for the law--with backround of radicals and no accomplishments other than rheoric--Barrack Hussein Obama is your man.
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a few voting items--let me know if you deem any incorrect--

with staunch stance on affirmative action/quota's
"no hope" for those that bust there ass when competeing against quota's

--who avoids issues with present vote--if you don't have nads to give opion there is "no hope" you as leader.

--who raises taxes over 300 times in illionois senate on ind and businesses

--who voted against letting people argue self-defense in court if charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home

---Unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals.

--Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang

--who voted ?present? on a measure to keep pornographic books and video stores 1,000 feet away from schools and churches, and in 1999, he voted against a requirement to make schools filter internet pornography from school computers

--who voted for reduced sentences for crack offenders

Who (was only sentator) to to oppose a bill that prohibited early prison release for sex offenders

know it seems it has to be fabricated on him the only senator from Ill to vote no against keeping sex offenders from getting early release--however it was SB 485 (1999) here I'll make things easy on you from here on out and include the bill#

voted NO SB 381 (1997)
To require prisoners to pay court costs for frivolous lawsuits
against the state.

voted PRESENT SB 609 (2001)
To restrict the location of buildings with ?adult? uses
(meaning pornographic video stores, strip clubs, etc.) within
1,000 feet of any public or private elementary or secondary school, public park, place or worship, preschool, daycare
facility, mobile park or residential area

voted NO H1812 (1999)B
To require school boards to install software on public computers
accessible to minors to block sexually explicit material

YES SB 880 (2003)
To allow the purchase of 10 hypodermic needles from a
pharmacy without a prescription

voted yes SB 1733 (2003)
To impose a Gas Use Tax on the purchase of natural gas
from outside the state of Illinois for use or consumption in
Illinois. Forces the delivering supplier to pay 2.4 cents per
therm of gas, or the customer can elect to become a ?selfassessing?
purchaser and pay 5% of the purchase price or
2.4 cents per therm.

voted PRESENT HB 2000 (4659)
To establish a zero-tolerance drug-testing policy for
Department of Corrections Employees

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Sorry I couldn't touch all bases Matt--maybe I can add some when you come up with your reasons why we should vote for him. ;)
 

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I'm not goinbg criticize McCain for his trophy wife or any other personal issue because I don't care.

But Dogs - honestly - how can you have a problem with Obama when it comes to family values? He obviously didn't marry Michelle because she was a beauty queen. He is apparently faithful and as Kosar said he seems to have well adjusted kids. Seems like the nukular faily doesn't it? ...I mean other than the fact that they are black democrats.
 

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that was a great wikipedia hatchet job dtb. Do you really want to get into the nazi ties of you your boys grandfather? Do you want to then proceed to the Carlyle group and then to GW Jr.'s "business" dealings? Obviously it would be pointless, and a bit of a boring topic. If you are still clueless at this point then good for you.

Kosar has pummeled you with FACTS about the family dynamics of McCain vs OBama, and you are obviously oblivious.

I would love to hear DTB's take if OBama had left his wife for a mistress 20 years younger who happened to be a pill popping thief.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
 

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Sorry I couldn't touch all bases Matt--maybe I can add some when you come up with your reasons why we should vote for him. ;)

Touch all bases? You didn't even touch the 'base' that was the premise of this thread that you started. Family values and all that. :rolleyes:

Do you have any opinion on McCains actions as his wife was dying?
 

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Your job Matt and all can assist you--is show me any change he has produced anywhere other than for criminals in Illinois.

Why I can't vote him--
-I still have subliminal thoughts of the other Hussein
--ulitimate dysfunctional family backround a negative
--political aspirations never developed until criminal/radical elements began their push--my view they found a person they could rule.

I can't show any change he has 'produced.' I'm not sure I could point to any change 'produced' by any one particular senator of any party.
 

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Here's a link, Wayne. Complete with pictures. Ironically, the piece's title is 'Bush Family Values.'


http://www.hereinreality.com/familyvalues.html


Bush Family Values Photo Album


For more than a half century, members of the Bush family have been setting policy and making decisions for all Americans. Let's look at the family that has had such an impact on the lives of human beings worldwide


It all started with Prescott Bush, George W. Bush's grandfather. In 1918 it is said that he robbed the grave and stole the skull of the Native American warrior Geronimo as part of an initiation into Yale's Skull and Bones Society. The Skull and Bones society has long been important to the Bush Family. George Bush Sr. and George W. Bush were also members of this secret society.


Prescott Bush had a bit of trouble back in the 1940s. While American soldiers were fighting the Nazis in WWII, a few of the companies Prescott managed were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act because they were fronts for Nazi Industrialist Fritz Thyssen, a financier of Hitler's Third Reich.

Here are more pictures of Bush family and friends

This is GW's Uncle Prescott, Jr. During the embargo on China, his company was the only US firm allowed to do business there, exporting communications satellites.

He recently retired as the Chairman of the USA-China Chamber of Commerce, which might be one reason China isn't part of the Axis of Evil. (more on China) He also has ties to Manuel Noriega.


For many years, the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (now DEA) wanted to have Manuel Noriega arrested for drug trafficking, but instead George Bush, Sr. kept him on the CIA payroll. For more than a decade, thousands of tons of cocaine poured onto the streets of America through the Panama Canal while the US government looked the other way. This destroyed the stability of millions of American families, and the repercussions to our society are still being felt today.

Here's GW when he was in the National Guard, which he joined to get out of going to Vietnam. He was a pilot in Texas until his flight status was revoked for refusing to take medical exams. For at least eight months, he didn't even show up for duty.


He's a terrorist accused of blowing up an airplane killing 76 people in Cuba, but George Bush, Sr. thought so much of him that he gave him a Presidential Pardon.

She was embarrassed after she got caught smuggling almost $20,000 worth of clothes and jewelery into America after a trip to France.

This is Jeb's brother Neil Bush. He cost American taxpayers $1 billion after some shady loans he made caused the Silverado Savings and Loan to go under in 1988. Now he's making millions selling software to Florida schools. Now he's divorcing his wife and leaving her broke, after he had several affairs and contracted a venereal disease (scroll down). Coincidentally, Neil was scheduled to have dinner with John Hinckley's brother the day after the Reagan Assassination attempt.



When George Bush, Sr. was the Vice President, he was involved in secretly selling weapons to our enemy Iran. The money from the weapons sales went to build a secret army that was trying to overthrow the Nicaraguan government. This resulted in years of violence and slaughter for many thousands of Central Americans, and it allowed thousands of tons of drugs to be dumped on the streets of America. When he was president, George Bush, Sr. gave a presidential pardon to the others who were involved in the Iran-Contra scandal.

Besides their last names, George W and Jeb Bush have this in common: All of their children have been in trouble with the law. Unlike most Americans who commit crimes ranging from sexual misconduct to felony prescription fraud, the Bush Kids never go to prison.







Now George Bush, Sr. works for The Carlyle Group. They invest in defense companies, medical laboratories, and the telecommunications industry. The Carlyle Group is one of the government's biggest contractors. George Bush, Sr. and The Carlyle Group stand to make billions of dollars from the War on Terror. On September 11, The Carlyle Group was having a conference at the Ritz Carlton hotel in Washington, DC with members of the Bin Laden family, one of their investors.
 

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The grandfather of President George W. Bush (Skull & Bones, 1968) was Prescott Bush (Skull & Bones, 1917), and his great grand father was George Herbert Walker.

Prescott Bush and George Herbert (Bert) Walker were directors of the London-affiliated New York banking house of Brown Brothers-Harriman and its various fronts, which funded and directed the military-industrial complex behind Hitler and the Nazi revolution. In 1919, George Herbert Walker had organized W.A. Harriman & Co which merged with the British Brown Brothers in 1931. In 1924, Averell Harriman (Skull & Bones, 1913) and Fritz Thyssen, the German industrialist who began funding Hitler in 1923, set up the Union Banking Corp in New York to handle funds supplied to it through Thyssen's Dutch bank for American investment.

Prescott Bush, who had been an officer of the W.A. Harriman bank since 1926, was a director of the Union Banking Corp from 1934 through 1943. According to government documents, "all of the shares of the Union Banking Corp., were held for the benefit of members of the Thyssen family."

The federal government did not crack down on the Bush-Harriman/Nazi operation until 1942. After the war, Congressional investigation revealed that Fritz Thyssen's German Steel Trust, Germany's largest industrial corporation, which interlocked with Union Banking Corporation, produced a high percentage of Germany's national output of metal products and explosives.


Vesting Orders signed by the Office of Alien Property Custodian, Leo T. Crowley, which were "published in obscure government record books and kept out of the news, explained nothing about the Nazis involved; only that the Union Banking Corporation was run for the 'Thyssen family' of 'Germany and/or Hungary'-- 'nationals...of a designated enemy country.'"

In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland 'Bunny' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush. 1.
 

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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/MDbushPR.htm


In 1934 Prescott Bush sent W. Averell Harriman an article that appeared in the 19th March edition of the New York Times. The article claimed that the Polish government intended to take action against the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company because it was controlling 45% of its steel production.

The newspaper reported that "two-thirds of the company's stock is owned by Friedrich Flick, a leading German steel industrialist, and the remainder is owned by interests in the United States". This of course was Bush, Harriman and Walker.

The Polish government complained that the owners of the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company were guilty of tax evasion. They were also responsible for using Poland's raw materials to provide for the military needs of Nazi Germany.

Prescott Bush's business interests in Germany suffered after the outbreak of the Second World War. On 20th October, 1942, the United States government seized the assets of the Union Banking Corporation.

The shares of the bank were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland Harriman, and a couple of members of the Nazi Party. Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation and the Silesian-American Corporation, a company that had been managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law George Herbert Walker.
 

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http://www.fleshingoutskullandbones.com/P.Bush-Union_Banking/P.Bush-Union_Banking.html



Prescott Bush was surely aghast at a sensational article the New York Herald Tribune splashed on its front page in July 1942.

?Hitler?s Angel Has 3 Million in US Bank,? read the headline above a story reporting that Adolf Hitler?s financier had stowed the fortune in Union Banking Corp., possibly to be held for ?Nazi bigwigs.?

Bush knew all about the New York bank: He was one of its seven directors. If the Nazi tie became known, it would be a potential ?embarrassment,? Bush and his partners at Brown Brothers Harriman worried, explaining to government regulators that their position was merely an unpaid courtesy for a client.

The situation grew more serious when the government seized Union?s assets under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the sort of action that could have ruined Bush?s political dreams.

As it turned out, his involvement wasn?t pursued by the press or political opponents during his Senate campaigns a decade later. But the episode may well have been one of the catalysts for a dramatic change in his life.

Just as the Union Banking story broke, Bush volunteered to be chairman of United Service Organizations, putting himself on the national stage for the first time. He traveled the country raising millions of dollars to help boost the morale of US troops during World War II, enhancing his stature in a way that helped him get elected US senator. A son and grandson would become presidents.
 

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I think Obama is a pussy for NOT leaving his wife. That's why I'm not voting for him.

Seriously, are we comparing Obama to McCain, or Obama to Bush? Sounds like Prescott was pretty shady, but he's been dead for how long? Who cares about him? :shrug:

McCain leaving his wife on her deathbed is a stretch too since she is still alive, and her accident happened when the maverick was in a hole in Vietnam getting the piss beat out of him. I'm all for sticking with your wife even through the hardest times, but who knows but McCain or some other survivor of a terrible situation like that how it will affect your relationship. I'm not giving a pass to McCain, but 5.5 years as a Vietnam POW gives him some wiggle room in this situation imo.

If this thread is about Obama vs. Bush as it relates to family values (I don't understand that; guess I've missed a thread or 3), then disregard this post I guess.

If it's about Obama/McCain, Obama is much shadier. That's clearly obvious even to a moran.
 

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Ok I'll concede that his grandfathers in 1800's may have had some bad points--

on Mac do you think this little item in fact check link above might have some bearing on what type of relatonship they had at time--

"A little more than a year after they were married, Shepp gave birth to their daughter, Sidney. In 1967 McCain was deployed to Vietnam, and a year later he was shot down and captured by the North Vietnamese. He was detained at the infamous ?Hanoi Hilton" for five-and-a-half years. When he returned to the United States, his wife had not seen him for six years.
Meanwhile, Shepp had been severely injured in an automobile accident. When McCain returned from Vietnam, both he and Shepp underwent physical therapy simultaneously. Their marriage lasted seven more years. According to a 2007 profile of McCain in the Arizona Republic, "Their marriage began disintegrating," and "McCain has admitted to having extramarital affairs." But the two remained married. Robert Timberg also describes McCain's extramarital affairs in "The Nightingale's Song":

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now we covered your 2 questions--still waiting to see if you disagree on O factors

so far the only thing we have is he's been married to same person with 2 kids for short time--but yey your dissing the Bush family and appears we have generations withoutdivorce--so I'm alittle confused there.:confused:

Here's the coupe de grace on election--

You as small business owner --are counting on team of O pres-Pelosi and Reid--and close to 60 dems seats in house--who's primary backers are Bar Association and Unions--who all are anti corporations-- to bring this economy back

Maybe you need course in business 101.

If you think the wall st people aren't looking ahead to this possible scenerio you might want to look at correlation O recent gains and markets losses. Coincidence??--I don't think so.

Worst thing IMO is anyparty having pres and big majority of same party in congress.

We saw what happen to normally conservative party when they got drunk with power--now consider the most liberal congress member as pres with Pelosi and Reid combo--and majority that can get through any bill.Now that's :scared
 
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