Kosar/dtb family value thread

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Hippo what republican candidate did you back? I find it strange that you went from a republican candidate to backing Obama's 'policies'.

Ron Paul. The most important things to me are where politicians stand on war and the environment. Paul has the best policies in my opinion on these regards and his record reflects them. He is probably the most honest politician I have ever seen.
 

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I wish the government would leave healthcare alone. Or at least let someone with a healthcare background deal with it. The VA is a mess.. medicare and medicaid are basically broke.

Letting the government fix the problems will work great.. just ask the banks
 

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I wish the government would leave healthcare alone. Or at least let someone with a healthcare background deal with it. The VA is a mess.. medicare and medicaid are basically broke.

Letting the government fix the problems will work great.. just ask the banks

Let the democrats handle it and im sure it will be a finly tuned program and then in 4 or eight years the Republican can gut it and fuk it all up like they do for every program for working people in this country and then we can talk how the gov't can't run anything. Kinda like social Security.
 

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I am capable Matt and exactly what I did was google Prescott Bush
HOWEVER mine picked up #1 entry as wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
Which presents him totally diff than your liberal source. Do you have your google search set to block all impartial references?
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we'll let everyone type prescott bush in their search engine--then let them decide-fair enough ;)

I posted 6 or 7 different articles from different sources. My google is presumably the same as yours.

Are you actually debating whether several of Prescott Bush's companies had funds frozen for trading with the Nazis in 1942 under the 'trading with the enemy act?'

Again, yes or no is fine. :rolleyes:
 

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So therefore by your reasoning, all children from broken homes do not have family values

Nope, only the black and brown ones. It's extremely ironic. Imagine if the GOP candidate had as nukular of a family as Obama's ...they would play that shit up to no end. And then imagine if Obama had a pregnant teenage daughter ...again, the moral rhetoric from the right would be ceaseless. Folks like DTB seem unable to recognize their own bullshit.

But like you say - I don't care about their private lives anyway, Morals mean little - ethics mean everything.
 
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Ron Paul. The most important things to me are where politicians stand on war and the environment. Paul has the best policies in my opinion on these regards and his record reflects them. He is probably the most honest politician I have ever seen.

nice guy. His son, Rand, actually lives here in BG. Although I don't agree with everything he stands for, I would have readily voted for him rather than McCain and especially Obama.
 

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Nope, only the black and brown ones. It's extremely ironic. Imagine if the GOP candidate had as nukular of a family as Obama's ...they would play that shit up to no end. And then imagine if Obama had a pregnant teenage daughter ...again, the moral rhetoric from the right would be ceaseless. Folks like DTB seem unable to recognize their own bullshit.

But like you say - I don't care about their private lives anyway, Morals mean little - ethics mean everything.

seriously, DTB is not racist. Believe it or not. I see that posted here all the time, but it's just not true.
 

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Who cares?

We are not voting for a religious leader here. Is our next president supposed to be sinless and perfect? I think we would have a hard time finding anyone like that...

What I care about is political values and how a person can lead. Starting wars for the wrong reasons, turning our economy into what it is today, and helping corrupt corporations flourish is wrong. I would rather our president get blowjobs in the oval office than do things that actually affect me.

DTB you act as if because Obama comes from a broken home, that he does not have good family values. So therefore by your reasoning, all children from broken homes do not have family values (that is good because it easily eliminates 50% of the population for our next president). How was he to control his parents' actions? Obviously he has chosen a different route for his own family, and that is all a person can do - move forward and learn from other's mistakes.

I won't judge McCain either on his family life (although just for the sake of argument, he DID choose to make a broken home, but I also think highly of all the charitable work that his family does). I will judge him on his policies and what I think is his lack of ability to lead and rally the people at this crucial time in our history.

The thing that is glaringly obvious DTB is that you will vote republican NO MATTER WHAT. I was going to vote for a republican in this election, but unfortunately my candidate did not make it through. So I looked at both candidates' positions, and decided, based on their political policies, which one to vote for.

You should try practicing some critical thinking skills everyone once in awhile - who knows, it might do you some good.

--and explain how Obama past deeds/not rhetoric have fits this bill? Which of these poliltical affiliations Rev Rezco-Ayrs among others share your political values?

--and on your vote only republican you must have missed my rant on our former GOP Gov on being in top 5% of govs in missing meetings and that I would vote for who ever ran against him. Have never voted a straight ticket in my life--however have never voted for Dem pres yet but might if you wouldn't run most liberal candidate in congress ever year.

Makes things tough when I am adamantly against socialism--but thats my side of the fence.

Voting demographics clearly define the income redistribution fence ;)
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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No I didn't realize that economy goes in cycles. Is this kind of like the global warming cycles too :rolleyes:

Let's consider a few FACTS from the Bush years:

worst job growth since herbert hoover

unemployment rate up

projected surplus when he took office turned into huge debt

cut taxes on millionaires

household income has declined when adjusting for inflation

income inequality has grown

poverty rates have risen

more people without healthcare


I guess this is all just part of the "cycle".

What I like about Obama:

1) Tax relief for the middle class, higher taxes for the rich

2) Reducing health care costs and making it more accessible

3) Diplomacy rather than war

4) Improve veterans rights

5) Improving educational access, including no child left behind

6) Creating green jobs and funding alternative-fuel research (this is my line of work so I am particularly fond of this and could point out Bush's abysmal funding record here as another of his myriad of failures)

7) Pay equity for women and a women's right to choose

Like I said, no politician is going to be able to accomplish everything they say they are going to, but I agree with nearly all his positions..

Lets take a look at your "facts"

worst job growth since herbert hoover
show us your supporting facts please

unemployment rate up
since when the last few months--
the facts
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104719.html
now report back to us what you find comoparing unemployment rates of Clinton vs GW--we just hit all time high of 6.1 after chos appears your boy billy bob had 3 years of 6.0 and over. ?

projected surplus when he took office turned into huge debt
You get one right--but then again was no 911-katrina and 2 wars in equation under surplus

cut taxes on millionaires
cut taxes on everyone that paid taxes
-considering--he replaced the current tax rates of 15, 28, 31, 36, and 39.6 percent with a simplified rate structure of 10, 15, 25, and 33 percent--
Ponder these #'s for a while and report back to us who got biggest tax break and who got the least
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household income has declined when adjusting for inflation
I'm somewhat confused on these if and when facts
--are you implying incomes were down or inflation up?

income inequality has grown
clueless what you mean here --inequality for who--those that work or those that don't?

poverty rates have risen
Give us last year they declined

more people without healthcare
again give us last year they declined

About the only facts I can see is you must have been a "liberal" arts major. :)
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per what you like about him--show us a bill he past showing decrease in any tax --would you like reference on how many he voted to increase in Ill and u.S. senate--

Do you know last time healthcare cost decreased-
ie How do you define naive?

Diplomacy rather than war or surrender vs victory?

You can put green jobs on back burner--the cost was unaffordable before financial chaos (would kill growth )and out of the question for immediate future.

While on that topic would you have been one of those applauding.
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Gore to the greenies @ Clinton Global Initiative

"If you're a young person looking at the future of this planet and looking at what is being done right now, and not done, I believe we have reached the stage where it is time for civil disobedience to prevent the construction of new coal plants that do not have carbon capture and sequestration," Gore told the Clinton Global Initiative gathering to loud applause.
 
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DOGS THAT BARK

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Ron Paul. The most important things to me are where politicians stand on war and the environment. Paul has the best policies in my opinion on these regards and his record reflects them. He is probably the most honest politician I have ever seen.

One thing all candidates in primary had in common was on cutting spending -

All had one hand over heart swearing to lead reform with other hand out raking it in--EXCEPT ONE

EARMARKS

Ron Paul
Texas Congressman Ron Paul -- libertarian gadfly and current Republican Presidential hopeful -- has made a name for himself as a critic of overspending. But it seems even he can't resist the political allure of earmarks.

After reporters started asking questions, the Congressman disclosed his requests this year for about $400 million worth of federal funding for no fewer than 65 earmarks. They include such urgent national wartime priorities as an $8 million request for the marketing of wild American shrimp and $2.3 million to fund shrimp-fishing research.

Obama
Senator Barack Obama on Thursday released a list of $740 million in earmarked spending requests that he had made over the last three years, and his campaign challenged Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to do the same.

Mac
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Many talk the talk--but few walk the walk.
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