Long-awaited deflate-gate investigation implicates Pats, Tom Brady

[Gags]

"Personalty, I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of me as a person or my position on anything. "

Clearly you do care about this judging by the novel stories you post on this topic.

And how can you hang your hat on scientific climate? Did Indy have a different temperature on their side of the field?

I'm saying there was no hard core evidence involving Peyton, you said there is no smoking gun involving Brady. One got a year the other other we will see... very relevant. :0corn:0corn:0corn

 

[Gags]

Okay, so there's not enough evidence against Brady, then the team is responsible for playing with deflated balls and they get all the fines and penalties and whatever. Somebody has to pay.

The balls were deflated in order to gain an edge and they've probably been doing this for years.

Exactly. Holy shit did I just agree with... :facepalm:

 

[fatdaddycool]

"Personalty, I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of me as a person or my position on anything. "

Clearly you do care about this judging by the novel stories you post on this topic.

And how can you hang your hat on scientific climate? Did Indy have a different temperature on their side of the field?

I'm saying there was no hard core evidence involving Peyton, you said there is no smoking gun involving Brady. One got a year the other other we will see... very relevant. :0corn:0corn:0corn

Well you exhibit strong judgemental skills then huh? Yes long replies are the standard of someone seeking acceptance. It couldn't possibly be that sometimes a position takes a detailed explanation.

Yes Indy had the same conditions which would explain why 3 of the 4 balls from Indianapolis tested after the game were deflated as well. Unfortunately no complaint was levied against the team that lost by more than five touchdowns.

 

[fatdaddycool]

And for what it's worth i didn't agree with the Sean Payton suspension duration

 

[MadJack]

Well you exhibit strong judgemental skills then huh? Yes long replies are the standard of someone seeking acceptance. It couldn't possibly be that sometimes a position takes a detailed explanation.

Yes Indy had the same conditions which would explain why 3 of the 4 balls from Indianapolis tested after the game were deflated as well. Unfortunately no complaint was levied against the team that lost by more than five touchdowns.

Gotta link? Didn't think so. :0corn

 

[MadJack]

• At halftime, all 11 remaining Pats balls and 4 of the Colts balls were each tested (twice per ball) by 2 alternate game officials
• Each of the 11 Pats balls registered below the minimum 12.5 PSI.
• Each of the 4 Colts balls registered above 12.5 PSI on at least 1 of the 2 gauges

 

[MadJack]

• There is no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the Pats ownership, Bill Belichick, or the Head Equipment Manager.
• Officials Clubhouse Attendant Jim McNally brought the balls to the room for testing.
• 2 of the balls were found short of 12.5 PSI and were further inflated.
• When Anderson prepared to leave for the field, the balls could not be located.
• Anderson said it was the first time in 19 years that had occurred and was a breach of procedure.
• McNally had removed the balls with the permission of none of the officials.
• Video tape showed McNally leaving the officials locker room and heading towards the field.
• He went into a bathroom immediately next to the tunnel leading to the playing field.
• He locked the door to the bathroom (not sure how they know this) and stayed inside for 1 minute, 40 seconds.
• He then left the bathroom and took the balls to the field.
• He had exchanged texts for a number of months with the Patriots equipment assistant (John Jastremski) primarily responsible for the inflation of balls.
• The texts contain a number of incriminating references to deflation, needles, and cash/shoes in exchange for his efforts. The texts are contained in the report and are entertaining reading.
• Immediately before the Pats and Ravens game the previous weekend, McNally received 2 footballs autographed by Brady and Brady autographed a game-worn Pats jersey McNally had previously obtained.
• During the second quarter, one of Brady?s passes was intercepted and Colts equipment personnel tested the ball for pressure.
• The Colts had already raised a pre-game concern about air pressure of the balls.
• A senior officiating supervisor, Alberto Riveron decided both teams? balls would be tested at halftime
• At halftime, all 11 remaining Pats balls and 4 of the Colts balls were each tested (twice per ball) by 2 alternate game officials
• Each of the 11 Pats balls registered below the minimum 12.5 PSI.
• Each of the 4 Colts balls registered above 12.5 PSI on at least 1 of the 2 gauges
• Prior to the 2nd half, all 11 Pats balls were reinflated to the appropriate level.
• McNally was interviewed by NFL security before he left the game
• McNally stated he walked directly to the field and nothing unusual happened
• In subsequent interviews, McNally provided varying explanations for the bathroom stop and his decision not to use the bathroom in the Officials Locker Room or the adjacent Chain Gang Locker Room.
• Exponent, a leading consulting engineering firm was hired to assist including the former Chairman of the Princeton Physics Department.
• Exponent confirmed that reduction in air pressure was expected with lower temperature.
• Exponent opined the Ideal Gas Law (and variations) could not explain the amount of air pressure drop in the Pats balls.
• Exponent also could not explain the difference in air pressure drop between the Pats and Colts balls and opined the difference to be statistically significant.
• Exponent also opined that the air pressure in 13 footballs could readily be released using a needle in under 1 minute, 40 seconds.
• The Report then includes the comment ?Even putting aside the experimental results, we believe that our conclusions are supported by the evidence in its entirety.?
• The Report cites 2 key phrases in texts by McNally. One where he refers to himself as the ?deflator?, and another where he states he was ?not going to espn??..yet.?
• Jastremski spoke with McNally by phone 3 times (total 37 minute) in the hours after the game.
• Jastremski also communicated with Brady after the game.
• The Report steps completely from Preponderance of Evidence on page 16: ?Indeed, in our view, a contrary conclusion requires the acceptance of an implausible number of communications and events as benign coincidences?
• The Report recognizes that some of the texts are an attempt at humor, but that McNally and Jastremski were making jokes based on actual events.
• The Report states that they are unable to reach conclusions as to when the practice of releasing air began, but McNally referred to himself as ?the deflator? in texts prior to the start of the 2014 season.
• The Report indicates there is less direct evidence linking Brady to the tampering, but that nevertheless, they believe it ?more probable than not? that Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate deflation.
• Evidence of Brady?s awareness included indirect references in texts between Jastremski and McNally as well as 6 phone calls between Brady and Jastremski from January 19-21 when the suspicions of ball tampering became public on January 19th.
• Jastremski had not called or texted Brady (per information on Jastremski?s cell phone) for more than 6 months prior.
• Brady also took the ?unprecedented step? of inviting Jastremski into the QB room (?essentially Brady?s office?) in Gillette Stadium for the first time in Jastremski?s 20-year career with the Patriots.
• The Report further opines ?based on our interviews and assessment of McNally and Jastremski, we also do not believe they would personally and unilaterally engage in such conduct in the absence of Brady?s awareness and consent.?
• Brady denied any knowledge of or involvement in any efforts to deflate game balls subsequent to pre-game inspection.
• Brady denied knowing McNally?s name or anything about his game-day responsibilities, a claim the Report terms ?implausible? based on contradictory testimony from Jastremski.
• The Report further states ?McNally also told NFL security he had been personally told by Brady of Brady?s inflation level preference.?
• The Report concludes by noting the Patriots cooperation throughout the investigationexcept?
  • Counsel for the Patriots refused to make McNally available for a follow-up interview requested despite their offer to meet at any time and place convenient for McNally.
  • The Report opines that ?failure by the Patriots and its counsel to produce McNally for the requested follow-up interview violated the club?s obligations to cooperate with the investigation under the Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of League Rules and was inconsistent with public statements made by the Patriots pledging full cooperation with the investigation.?
  • Although Tom Brady answered questions voluntarily, he refused to make available any documents or electronic communications, even though the request was limited to the subject matter of the investigation.
  • The inability to review communication in Brady?s possession ?potentially limited the discovery of relevant evidence and was not helpful to the investigation.?
• At various points, counsel for the Patriots questioned the integrity and objectivity of game officials, various NFL executives, and NFL security officials.

So does the suffix fit?Watergate was the investigation of a break-in to gain an unfair campaign advantage. Deflategate was the investigation of a breach of control procedure to gain an unfair game advantage.In both cases, the cover-up attempts are much more damning than the evidence itself.

 

[THE KOD]

Yes, I'm full of hot air because I think you should have proof prior to fucking someone's career over. Fuck me.

Hope this helps,
FDC

there is only one player who really wanted the balls deflated to help his game.

BRADY


If he had turned over his cell phone and texts to the investigation I would think
differantly . But BRADY refused.

The texts from the ball boys with his name all over them and the money paid and autographs , well thats over the edge.

GUILTY AS CHARGED


what a total embarressment for a NFL athlete to endure at the end of his career.

If I was him I would retire if they suspended me. Fuck it


go out as a cheat


Pete Rose rings a bell here.

 

[bleedingpurple]

why would Brady give over his cell phone? who knows what he has on there. I think the guy is
guilty and so does the report but I would think more would be needed to punish someone than thoughts.

 

[MadJack]

why would Brady give over his cell phone? .

To clear himself if there wasn't anything on there.

 

[bleedingpurple]

To clear himself if there wasn't anything on there.

maybe he has Giselle all over his phone?

 

[gardenweasel]

maybe he has Giselle all over his phone?

then he`s an absolute asshole who hasn`t been paying attention to the world around him and really doesn`t give much of a damn about his wife`s privacy......

if he doesn`t care about having an entire career tainted(and it will for some,unfortunately) then he should keep doing what he`s doing....

at the first signs of a controversy he should have said that he asked the equipment mgrs. to deflate the balls to the low end of the legal limit and taken the hit instead of letting the lowly equipment mgrs. get thrown under the bus(that`s where I`ve really lost some respect for the guy).... instead of parsing,denying and obfuscating.....it`s always the cover-up that screws you......

we all screw up and sometimes and don`t,for whatever reason,think issues through or get bad advice...I still think he`s one of the best of his era...but now this has grown very long legs and it`s too late to go back and get it right...

really unfortunate...

 

[IE]

I Have Just One Word to Say About ?Deflategate?

by Nolan Dalla on May 9, 2015



The New England Patriots have been accused of cheating in an AFC playoff game last season, and quite possibly multiple games played over a much longer period of time.
The infraction consists of team-supplied game balls being deflated from their normally-prescribed air pressure. This action which was intentional presumably gave the Patriots quarterback and its offensive players a much better grip on the ball, and an unfair advantage.
Apparently, as difficult as this is to believe, current NFL rules say that all respective teams are responsible for supplying game balls to their own offenses when they take the field. The league rule which was worked fine for 80 years before that, was changed back in 2006 to allow this, and most teams have probably been doctoring footballs for their offensive players ever since. The scandal finally blew up in a big way because it?s New England, and everyone is either insanely jealous or hates head coach Bill Belichick and would love to see him twitch at the end of a hangman?s rope.

Accordingly, I have just one word to say about so-called ?Deflategate.?






That one word is as follows?..

TheNationalFootballLeaguebears100percentoftheresponsibility?
forthescandalknownasDeflategatewhichisinfactatotalfabrication?
theflamesofthiscontroversyhavelargelybeenfannedbythenortheasternmedia?
obsessedwithanythinghappeninginNewYorkorBoston?
theleaguehadtoexpectthatteamswouldseekeverypossibleadvantage?
includingalteringtheirowngameballstobeoptimallysuitedfortheirplayers?
whyistheleagueofficenotstandardizingallfootballs?
andsupplyingwhatisthemostimportantinstrumentofthegameviareferees?
thenewenglandpatriotsbearnoresponsibiltyforanywrongdoing?
butratherarethevictimsoflotsofjeolousydirectedatamarvelouslysuccessfulfranchise?
ifanyoneshouldbefinedandorsuspended?
itsRogerGodellandhisbandofincompetentsintheleagueoffice?
forallowingsuchastupidpolicythatwasbeggingtobebentifnotbroken

See, I promised to keep this short and to the point. It?s the NFL that should be suspended and pay a huge fine ? for gross incompetence and stupidity.

 

[bleedingpurple]

then he`s an absolute asshole who hasn`t been paying attention to the world around him and really doesn`t give much of a damn about his wife`s privacy...... if he doesn`t care about having an entire career tainted(and it will for some,unfortunately) then he should keep doing what he`s doing.... at the first signs of a controversy he should have said that he asked the equipment mgrs. to deflate the balls to the low end of the legal limit and taken the hit instead of letting the lowly equipment mgrs. get thrown under the bus(that`s where I`ve really lost some respect for the guy).... instead of parsing,denying and obfuscating.....it`s always the cover-up that screws you...... we all screw up and sometimes and don`t,for whatever reason,think issues through or get bad advice...I still think he`s one of the best of his era...but now this has grown very long legs and it`s too late to go back and get it right... really unfortunate...

firstly their are a lot of chicks out there who like to be on guy's phones. if you confiscated my buddies you would have his wife and several others who have sent him pics and he's saved them, hell he has half the women's softball team on there.

secondly, yeah he should have said a lot of things, but the Report should have said a lot more than he probably did it based on texts from two guys.

 

[bleedingpurple]

Nolan is spot on, why the league allows this in the first place is a joke. when rumors were going around they should have put a stop to it, the end. this deflate gate is waaaay over the top because of who it involves.

 

[Woodson]

Dude, it was a pun on full of hot air...

 

[fatdaddycool]

there is only one player who really wanted the balls deflated to help his game.

BRADY


If he had turned over his cell phone and texts to the investigation I would think
differantly . But BRADY refused.

The texts from the ball boys with his name all over them and the money paid and autographs , well thats over the edge.

GUILTY AS CHARGED


what a total embarressment for a NFL athlete to endure at the end of his career.

If I was him I would retire if they suspended me. Fuck it


go out as a cheat


Pete Rose rings a bell here.

You're right, he didn't want the ball over inflated to 16 psi.

His name all over the texts? You mean where it says "fuck Tom"? Yeah, that's proof alright.

There are messages on this site that state that you and I are racists. Do they add up to proof?

Try looking at it objectively. No way I would hand anyone my phone to peruse and I'm not famous. No fucking way, for any reason. That's my right not evidence.

Lack of evidence or negative evidence isn't proof of guilt. Your looking for some link to Brady that you believe exists when there is no evidence of it.

How you cannot fathom that there are so many other plausible possibilities in this that are far more reasonable that you simply refuse to acknowledge.

I'm sorry you disagree with me but I believe Brady is being railroaded due to his fame and the team he plays for.

Haters gonna hate, is a very true statement.

 

[fatdaddycool]

Dude, it was a pun on full of hot air...

Oh ...... never mind.




I obviously took it wrong.

 

[gardenweasel]

firstly their are a lot of chicks out there who like to be on guy's phones. if you confiscated my buddies you would have his wife and several others who have sent him pics and he's saved them, hell he has half the women's softball team on there. secondly, yeah he should have said a lot of things, but the Report should have said a lot more than he probably did it based on texts from two guys.

I hear what you`re sayin,....but he`s "tom brady"...he`s the face of an nfl football franchise and his wife is an outrageously famous super model....

with all the hackers out there and the plain old fact that people just lose cell phones,it would be pretty inconceivable for brady to set himself up for that type of embarrassment and ridicule for something as careless and irresponsible as having compromising pics of his wife on his cell phone...

but then again,here we are....who woulda thunk it?

 

[bleedingpurple]

I hear what you`re sayin,....but he`s "tom brady"...he`s the face of an nfl football franchise and his wife is an outrageously famous super model.... with all the hackers out there and the plain old fact that people just lose cell phones,it would be pretty inconceivable for brady to set himself up for that type of embarrassment and ridicule for something as careless and irresponsible as having compromising pics of his wife on his cell phone... but then again,here we are....who woulda thunk it?

true verlander and upton got hacked