Long-awaited deflate-gate investigation implicates Pats, Tom Brady

[fatdaddycool]

They fucking cheated for christsakes. If you can't see that, you're blind.

You just like taking the contrary opinion and debating it and you do a very good job but, I'm not going to feed you anymore on this topic.

See what I did there?

Love ya bro but I'm out. :0008

I don't know if they cheated or not to be completely honest with you. I haven't really formed an "opinion" on it so to speak. I mean, yes, I'm taking the position that there is no exculpatory evidence to bring about disciplinary action and certainly not enough for me to say the cheated with any real conviction. That doesn't mean I won't have an opinion on it.
I guess the whole thing doesn't really rise to the level of importance or relevance with me as it does to others. I try to keep my personal feelings separate from it. It's hard to explain but I'm not just taking the opposite side just because I can. I'm taking the side of objectivity and sensibility. Fair is fair and what's right is right. You don't get to apply justice, no matter the form, more or less stringently or equitably because of personal bias. That's it. There is no higher or lower standard when it comes to equality of anything. Not only that, when you get right down to it, how much of an effect do you really think the psi of the ball has on a game? You say he's been doing it for years, yet they don't play 16 games a season in cold weather. Couldn't it be just as feasible that Tom Brady likes his footballs at the lower end of the limit and throughout the course of the game that day the extremely cold weather may have shrunk it to just below that limit? Wouldn't that also explain why the Colts had 3 balls under the legal limit at the conclusion of the game as well? Just saying, there are many other reasonable explanations that don't require me labeling someone as a cheater unfairly. That's it.


Hope this helps,
FDC

 

[THE KOD]

You were this close to a clean getaway.

 

[fatdaddycool]

You were this close to a clean getaway.

Who Jaek? Nah. He probably won't answer but he read it. That I can promise you. If he denies reading it, I've got him. He sent me a text one time saying he reads all the posts so if he denies it we can suspend him for a year and call him a cheat and a liar. Right? That's fair, am I right!

 

[gardenweasel]

Okay Weasie, please explain to me how any of that makes him complicit in anything? So a wealthy quarterback gives his friend who's the equipment manager on his team some swag? That means he's a cheater? He doesn't hand some fucking dude his phone to go through when he's one of the most famous people in the country and that makes him a cheater? Let's think about this a minute. I'm sure you've seen people get arrested on t.v. right? Doesn't everybody have the right to tell some one fuck you I'm not letting you go through my phone? Do you honestly think any quarterback of his fame would just hand over all their pictures, texts, contacts, emails, maybe banking information? Really? To some fucking dude? Thats ridiculous. Many equipment managers befriend long time players in all sports. It's not abnormal for players to give swag and money to them. A good example of this would be Clint Reif. He was the equipment manager of the Blackhawks until he took his own life last year. Check out the swag he had and what the team did for him and his family when he passed. Listen to the stories told by his best friend Jonathon Toews. Is Toews a cheater because he donated $20k to his family?
The thing is, most want to hold athletes to standards that they themselves don't even meet. Call for outrageous punishments for "crimes against humanity" that they themselves have either committed or applauded recently. Example would be Adrian Peterson and the woman beating her kids ass on video in Baltimore because he was looting. She's a hero, he's a child abuser.

We don't get to pick and choose when we want to apply the standards of justice and moral integrity.

If your kid was being expelled from school based on weak ass supposition such as this crap, you wouldn't think the evidence was so compelling then, I assure you.
Again, show me a single piece of tangible evidence, one, and I'd probably reconsider, but this is an outright propaganda railroad against Brady and the Patriots.

One more thing, the infraction being investigated was for that one game. That's it.
So you go on hoping for the worst for Brady but to say it's not even minimally driven by disdain for the guy, is not something I believe those of you calling for his head could pass on a lie detector test. As a matter of fact, I have just presented the exact same amount of evidence against your bias towards Brady as that report did. So I guess that means you "more probable than not guilty".

Still love ya though brother, ya cheating bastard. .... lol


Hope this helps,

"hand over to "some dude"...really?....read this again...everything would be done under the auspices of brady`s counsel....

""We offered to allow Brady's counsel to screen and control the production so that it would be limited strictly to responsive materials and would not involve our taking possession of Brady's telephone or other electronic devices," the report said. "Our inability to review contemporaneous communications and other documents in Brady's possession and control related to the matters under review potentially limited the discovery of relevant evidence and was not helpful to the investigation.""

anyway,I hope we agree that the investigation is warranted...

--the colts report to the nfl that they believe that the pats are tampering with footballs

-you have long standing league protocols regarding the handling of the footballs breeched( per the referees working the game)by the pats` staff prior to the colts playoff game(a coincidence coming directly on the heels of the colts` allegation?)...

-the investigation turns up extremely dubious texts/e mails....the accomplices confirm that they were given extremely exorbitant swag(and some cash) by brady......brady lawyers up and refuses to cooperate with investigators..

throw in the fact that the pats` have a bit of a past history of attempting to bend the rules to their advantage...the circumstantial evidence mounts...

if I were brady and knew I was a righteous dude with no culpability,i`d cooperate with investigators rather than potentially taint my legacy...but that`s based on knowing I was innocent...if I were complicit,i`d do exactly what brady`s doing(I`ve seen some surmising that brady`s e mail/texts could implicate belichek...a sort of Pandora`s box...but,I`m not going there...it`s strictly supposition)...

if I were kraft and knew my organization was innocent,,I`d use some of my considerable resources to fight any allegations of wrongdoing...as I said,the pats` organization doesn`t have the best reputation in these matters.....I`d fight like hell to clear my organization`s name...

apparently,that won`t be the case with kraft and the pats...I think they want this to just go away...

kraft:

""While I respect the independent process of the investigation, the time, effort and resources expended to reach this conclusion are incomprehensible to me. Knowing that there is no real recourse available, fighting the league and extending this debate would prove to be futile. We understand and greatly respect the responsibility of being one of 32 in this league and, on that basis, we will accept the findings of the report and take the appropriate actions based on those findings as well as any discipline levied by the league.?

hmmm...the nfl is the decider but if I were kraft,i might consider a court fight if I believed in my innocence(unless it`s forbidden under nfl bylaws/rules...there has to be some appeals process )...

I understand that we live in a society that`s influenced by the "csi effect"(every case tied up neatly in a perfect bow)....but that`s not real life...and this isn`t being tried in a court of law.....from what I`ve read,the preponderence of the evidence appears to weigh against brady and the pats(my opinion)..thus far,i think the nfl investigators agree with me(believe me,I don`t hate the pats or brady...I reserve that for manning).....and unfortunately for pats` fans and proponents, they`re the decision makers in this one....

that said(and as guilty as I believe brady and the pats to be),i`m kind of hoping that goodell buckles under outside pressures and doesn`t suspend brady.....they play the steelers on opening day and I`d rather the pats have all hands on deck for the first game....

we respectfully agree to diagaree..

 

[fatdaddycool]

And that is completely acceptable and reasonable. I don't share your fervor that any of that means a darn thing. I really don't. I think the science behind the pressure and cold etc... is far and away more compelling as a reasonable conclusion and don't agree that the NFL needed to spend millions of dollars on this or that the resultant roasting and sensationalism in the media is worth it. I also believe the conclusion and investigation is flawed. I know of no investigation where a conclusion of "they're probably guilty. ..... but I got nothing really", is considered as a guilty sentence.
Basically, I think the investigation is a joke.
One thing you have to account for us the effect temperature and pressure differential had on the balls. Did the investigation include any of that?

I guess it doesn't really matter, he's going to be judged by the media and sentenced by Facebook and twitter. Just how sad it's become anymore.

Cheers Weasie.

 

[smurphy]

No they weren't

yes they were :0008

 

[smurphy]

get rid of teams providing their own balls and this is never an issue

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[fatdaddycool]

I hope they do suspend him and he sues the living fuck or of the league. Even better would be that more probable than not Roger Goodell is run out of the league. He's worse than Gary Bettman

 

[THE KOD]

It would be a horrible embarressment for the NFL and to Tom Brady to be suspended for this.

They will think long and hard before they do.


A career like Brady has had for so long will always be associated with this and
he will be remembered in a negative way.


not good all around.

I think a fine of 1 million to Brady and 2 million to Kraft


:shrug:

 

[Gags]

How much evidence did they have on Sean Peyton and his involvement with bounty gate? He got an entire year off. There was assumption that he knew what was going on. Same thing here.

 

[THE KOD]

meanwhile back at the ranch


Dante Fowler goes down for the year with a torn ACL in his first rookie Jaguars practice.



:scared

 

[fatdaddycool]

How much evidence did they have on Sean Peyton and his involvement with bounty gate? He got an entire year off. There was assumption that he knew what was going on. Same thing here.

Dude,
Paying players to intentionally hurt or harm another player is not the the same as playing with a football with low air pressure. It just isn't. If you are referring to the lack of evidence in Sean Payton's case being relatable to the lack of evidence against Brady, I still wouldn't call them equivalent. There was half the football team involved in the bounty and money was freely talked about in the locker room. That's far different from a text message from a part time equipment assistant. Payton is responsible for the direct management of the players, if he didn't know, he should have. Nothing like Brady.
Just my opinion. The nfl disciplinary system is a joke regardless. Terrell Suggs dragged his woman down the street and punched her, what happened to him? It's a joke

 

[Sportsaholic]

How did I get rooked into changing Jacks tires......:shrug:














oh, and FUCK BRADY THE CHEATING RAT BASTARD.............:0003

 

[Williom321]

Rules are rules and there should be a punishment for breaking them.

 

[Woodson]

Dude,
Paying players to intentionally hurt or harm another player is not the the same as playing with a football with low air pressure. It just isn't. If you are referring to the lack of evidence in Sean Payton's case being relatable to the lack of evidence against Brady, I still wouldn't call them equivalent. There was half the football team involved in the bounty and money was freely talked about in the locker room. That's far different from a text message from a part time equipment assistant. Payton is responsible for the direct management of the players, if he didn't know, he should have. Nothing like Brady.
Just my opinion. The nfl disciplinary system is a joke regardless. Terrell Suggs dragged his woman down the street and punched her, what happened to him? It's a joke

You are so full of hot air. Fuck the whole notion in your head.

 

[fatdaddycool]

Rules are rules and there should be a punishment for breaking them.

You're absolutely right and as soon as someone proves he cheated then they should punish him.

 

[bleedingpurple]

You're absolutely right and as soon as someone proves he cheated them they should punish him.

this

 

[fatdaddycool]

You are so full of hot air. Fuck the whole notion in your head.

Yes, I'm full of hot air because I think you should have proof prior to fucking someone's career over. Fuck me.

I'm absolutely positive that you would accept as fair, any punishment doled out to you under the same circumstances, because "you know that fucker probably did it" is perfectly acceptable as burden of proof in your head.

Personally, I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of me as a person or my position on anything.
I know one thing, it's a hell of a lot more reasonable that the pressure dropped due to the conditions. Science has shown that to be true every fucking time.

The NFL will suspend him and you'll get your way. Then you can all sleep easy knowing that the court of public opinion has saved society again. I mean it worked with that child abuser Adrian Peterson. He got a whole year suspension and he deserved the same exact suspension as Mike Vick who choked the life out of an innocent animal with his bare hands for losing an illegal dog fight and had close to 20 dogs buried in his back yard. I mean, if that doesn't prove the system is working I don't know what does. Yep, I'm sure you're right, you must be. You're doing as told right? Going through life not questioning anything, accepting authority as applied, not rocking the boat and all. I mean what is wrong with fucking Tom over just a bit, he's got fame, fortune, and a hot wife. He can take it, fuck him. He beat your favorite team anyway so he deserves to have some bad shit happen right? Fuck yah, I feel ya woody. I'm right there with you. I think we should suspend common sense and equitable application of judgement all the time when it comes to people we are envious of.


You should be thanking your lucky fucking stars every day that there are people like me. If you can HONESTLY convince yourself that's it's simply not possible that Brady likes the football closer to the lower limit of pressure and complained about an over inflated 16 psi ball as being reasonable and that the only possible explanation is that Tom Brady told his guys to purposely cheat, then I feel very sorry for you.


Hope this helps,
FDC