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This re-affirms that the trade for LoDuca was a waste...

Orioles have four-year, $27.25M deal with C HernandezESPN.com news services
The Baltimore Orioles and catcher Ramon Hernandez reached a preliminary agreement on a $27.25 million, four-year contract.
Hernandez hit .290 with 12 home runs and 58 RBI with the San Diego Padres in 2005. The Orioles' 2005 catcher Javy Lopez hit .278 with 15 home runs and 59 RBI.

The deal is subject to a physical and probably won't be finalized until next week.


Mets only saved 500-600k on payroll with LoDuca when compared to this deal the YOUNGER (and probably better) Hernandeza just signed with the Os. The Mets also gave up their best pitching prospect to get him.

first of all I'm not a Met fan...but I'm pretty sure that was NOT there top pitching prospect...he was only a Single A ball player or something like that...
2nd of alll they signed him to a 4 yr deal which is double the committment they have to LoDuca, these palyers are pretty even IMO...LoDuca may even be a + with the intangibles he brings to the clubhouse
 

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LoDuca is 4 yrs older then Hernandez...from NY Post:

METS' SNARE MARLINS LO DUCA

By MICHAEL MORRISSEY
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December 5, 2005 -- The Mets weren't comfortable trading Aaron Heilman for Tampa Bay catcher Toby Hall. And they didn't want to engage in bidding wars for free-agent backstops Bengie Molina or Ramon Hernandez this week.
Yet they are apparently willing to trade their top minor-league pitching prospect on a catcher who turns 34 in April.

After Petit who they traded for Delgado, this guy Gaby Hernandez was their best pitching prospect....

The 19-year-old Hernandez, who threw a no-hitter last season, was 6-1 at Class-A Hagerstown.
 

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Buster Olney excerpt:

The Downside: Catchers historically regress at about 33 years old, and Lo Duca turns 34 next spring. He is not an elite defensive catcher, and it stands to reason that at some point in the next two years, the Mets might find themselves pining for someone with a better arm -- like a Hernandez or a Molina. The Mets have strong extra-base contributions from third base, shortstop and first base, so for now, Lo Duca's lack of power is not a problem. But if production wanes at other spots, whatever the reason, the Mets are going to be fondly recalling Mike Piazza's power. Lo Duca is one more older guy on a team made up of mostly older guys, making the Mets increasingly at risk for injury problems.
 
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all I'm sayin is...Hernandez is not THAT much better than Loduca if at all...altho I would agree he is better, but Loduca like I said only has 2 yrs left which would make more sense..
 

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I agree the talent level is really close and not what imo makes this a bad move. What I don't like is that the Mets traded away a good prospect to save 500k a year (chump change for the Mets) when they could've gotten a comprobable catcher on the FA market and retained Gaby Hernandez. All the bidding war talk for Molina and Hernandez is just smoke screening by their agents...there really isn't a big market for these guys and the Mets dropping out killed alot of that speculation. The Mets could've either guy they wanted.
 

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very true about the "smoke screen bidding war"...altho they will both certainly be picked up...but that prospect you are talkin about, is after all just a prospect...only in Single A ball, now thats a long way from the majors....its not like they gave up Millege...
 

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NEW YORK -- General manager Omar Minaya and the New York Mets wanted Julio Franco so badly they gave a 47-year-old backup a two-year contract.

"There are guys that are special as far as longevity,'' Minaya said. "The only way we were going to be able to get him here was for two years.''

The Mets agreed to a $2.2 million, two-year deal with Franco on Friday, luring baseball's oldest player away from NL East rival Atlanta and giving them a, well ... 'mature' backup for new first baseman Carlos Delgado.

Most free agents in their mid-to-late 30s can't attract a multiyear offer. Franco has one at age 47 -- and he wants to keep playing until he's at least 50.

"I think age is a stereotype, I always say that,'' said Franco, who keeps his body in incredible shape all year. "The only thing that matters is if you can play or you can't.''

Franco hit .275 last season with nine homers and 42 RBI in 233 at-bats for the Braves, and he was surprised when they didn't offer him arbitration after four-plus years in Atlanta.

That gave the Mets a better opportunity to land him, something Minaya tried to do last year. After taking over as GM, he said acquiring Franco was one of the first thoughts that entered his mind in trying to build a winning environment.

Next season, Franco could fit well as a right-handed hitter who can occasionally spell Delgado, a left-handed swinging slugger.

Franco, who will turn 48 next August, would like to become a major league manager when his playing career is finally over, and he believes Minaya can help him do that.

"I've told Julio that as long as I'm in the organization I think I want Julio Franco to be part of my organization,'' said Minaya, who is about 2? months younger than Franco and has known him since his own playing days more than 20 years ago. "When Julio Franco sets a goal, he usually gets his goal.''

With his next homer, Franco would become the oldest major leaguer to hit one. He already is the oldest player to hit a grand slam and a pinch-hit homer.

One of Franco's first jobs will be to set an example for New York's young players, especially shortstop Jose Reyes and third baseman David Wright. In fact, Franco is old enough to be their father -- he's even older than Hall of Famer Ryne Sandberg.

That kind of maturity and experience is what Minaya had in mind when putting together a bench that also includes 36-year-old Jose Valentin, who agreed to a $912,500, one-year deal on Thursday.

"There's a plan in place here. What you have here is a couple of young guys who have to learn how to play the game,'' Minaya said. "Our bench can pick us up. ... What these guys bring to the party I think is important.''

A three-time All-Star and 1991 AL batting champion with Texas, Franco was released by Cleveland in August 1997 despite his .284 average. He spent the rest of the season with Milwaukee, then headed overseas.

He had one at-bat with Tampa Bay in 1999 and spent about 3? years in Japan, South Korea and Mexico before Atlanta acquired him on Aug. 31, 2001. Since then, he's been a reliable player in a part-time role with the Braves, who have won 14 consecutive division titles.

"He has a situation where he's been very productive with Bobby Cox and he's been a big part of their team in helping develop their young players. They win,'' Minaya said. "If I was him, why would I leave for one year?''

Franco said he learned a lot about training while he was in Japan. He does a lot of cardiovascular work, plus swimming, weights and yoga. He also does plenty of stretching.

"I don't work out and train and eat like this because I play baseball, I do this because I've got one life to live,'' Franco said during a conference call from the Dominican Republic. "When I stop playing baseball, I'm going to continue to do this. I think everybody should take care of their body. It's your best investment.'

In other team news, minor league pitcher Gaby Hernandez and outfielder Dante Brinkley were dealt to Florida, completing this week's trade that sent catcher Paul Lo Duca to New York.
 

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getting Julio Franco makes absolutely no sense, period. Who else on the market would have given him a 2 year contract? No one. A serviceable backup at best, should have gotten a guy with a better glove.
 

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NEW YORK -- It was only Spring Training, so the games didn't count, and the damage Carlos Delgado inflicted on the Mets didn't matter all that much. But, as the Marlins' first baseman last March, Delgado did hurt them -- five RBIs and three extra-base hits in merely 14 at-bats.
And now the Mets' new first baseman may get a chance to do so again come spring -- even before he plays for his new team.

Delgado has offered to play for his native Puerto Rico in the World Baseball Classic. If he is chosen -- and it's difficult to imagine a scenario in which he wouldn't be -- Delgado could be playing against the Mets in Port St. Lucie.

A game at Tradition Field against Puerto Rico's World Baseball Classic team March 5 is one of 32 exhibition games included on the Spring Training schedule the Mets released Monday. They begin their 2006 exhibition schedule with a 1:05 p.m. ET game against the Cardinals in Jupiter -- a Delgado home run or two south of Port St. Lucie -- Thursday, March 2, and they play the Cardinals at home the following night at 7:10 p.m.

The Mets are to play 16 home games and 16 on the road. A split-squad plays the Dodgers in Vero Beach at 1:05 p.m. on the same day they host Puerto Rico's World Baseball Classic team at 1:10 p.m. The Puerto Rican team also may feature Carlos Beltran, and it is to be managed by onetime Mets shortstop and current Cardinals coach Jose Oquendo. It will train in Port St. Lucie from March 3-6.

The Mets are to play the Cardinals seven times, the Dodgers, Orioles, Marlins, Braves and Nationals four times each, the Astros three times and the Indians twice.

The Mets will play six night games, March 3 at home against the Cardinals, March 13 at home against the Nationals, March 16 at home against the Braves, March 17 at Vero Beach against the Dodgers, March 22 at home against the Dodgers and March 23 at Jupiter against the Marlins.

WFAN-AM is to broadcast the games March 3, 5, 11, 12, 18, 22, 25 and 26. Tickets for the 16 home spring games go on sale at Tradition Field on Jan. 22nd at 10 a.m. ET. Tickets and information are available by calling 772-871-2115 or online at TraditionField.com.
 

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The Mets have given up on trying to sign Grudzelanek (sp?). This is a big mistake imo. Why? Second base is now the biggest need. Mark could've been had for the 2 year 7 million (3.5 a yr) range. He's a great defensive second basemen and would've added come pop in the 6th or 7th hole. It seems Minaya likes the big splashes and tearing up the trade mill, but this one seems like a no-brainer for the Mets and Minaya is pinching pennies and dropping out.
 

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Do you think Jae Seo is for real, or was he just hot in August? And what about Victor Zambrano? Is it Seo against Zambrano for the fifth spot in the rotation?
-- Seth B., Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
Who can say for sure about Seo's 2005 performance? He was remarkably effective in five starts in August -- a 4-0 record and 1.78 ERA -- and moderately successful in six subsequent starts, posting a 2-1 record and 3.65 ERA. If you're comparing him to Zambrano, there's no comparison. Even when Zambrano pitched effectively in late spring and early summer, he often found a way to lose -- one bad pitch, a balk, a throwing error. And by the end of the season, he had lost his place in the rotation.

There is no reason for the Mets to identify their No. 5 starter in December, and no benefit, either. But based on what happened late last season, Seo seemingly would have an edge. As always, Zambrano has a higher ceiling. His stuff makes him the clubhouse favorite to pitch the Mets' first no-hitter. But the footnote to that is one teammate's suggestion that Zambrano could pitch a no-hitter and lose. Seo is more consistent and reliable.

I see the Cardinals have signed Braden Looper. Where were the Mets? We still don't have the setup man because we let Roberto Hernandez go.
-- Sandy D., Washington, D.C.

At the time the Mets declined to exercise their 2006 option for Looper's contract, they said they wouldn't rule out re-signing him as a free agent for less than the $5.8 million he would have been due had the option be exercised. But shortly thereafter, people in the organization said interest existed on neither side for Looper's return. GM Omar Minaya gave no subsequent indication he wanted Looper -- even when asked.

How long will the Mets go before settling on a second baseman? Weren't they supposed to sign Mark Grudzielanek? What happened? Who are the possibilities now?
-- Judy K., Bronx, N.Y.

The Mets' signing Grudzielanek as a free agent was a television report early in the Winter Meetings that has proven inaccurate. He signed with the Royals on Friday. Even before that report, and just after Paul Lo Duca was acquired, Minaya listed second base as the club's third priority, after reinforcing the bullpen and rotation. And members of the Mets' hierarchy privately maintained second base would be addressed if and when Kaz Matsui was moved. Minaya said publicly on Dec. 5 it was "very doubtful" the club would obtain a second baseman, and his pronouncement preceded by four days the reported date of the Grudzielanek signing.

All that said, there is no urgency in identifying the 2006 second baseman. The Mets continue to say Matsui is the man, but Minaya twice has qualified that statement with "for now." And though manager Willie Randolph believes Matsui might be ready to have a good offensive year, no one is anticipating improvement in the field. That's a problem.

Randolph wants defense at second base, and the acquisition of Carlos Delgado reduces the need for offense at second base. Still, the Mets owe Matsui $8 million, and that's a lot to pay an extra player. The club is willing to pay at least half of his salary if it moves him, but can find no takers.

Anderson Hernandez is one alternative. Randolph believes he can be an outstanding defender and is sure Hernandez's 1-for-18 showing at the end of last season isn't indicative of his offensive prowess. Jeff Keppinger, acquired with Kris Benson from the Pirates in 2004, also plays second base, but with less range than Hernandez. However, Keppinger is a more accomplished hitter who could bat second and be a Jay Bell-type contributor.


If a prediction were demanded at this point, I'd guess that Matsui would be given the chance to play in Spring Training, but the job will eventually fall to Hernandez.

What are the plans for Ramon Castro now that Lo Duca is a Met?
-- William B., Rochelle Park, N.J.

Castro will be, as he was for most of last season, an understudy -- albeit a valuable one. He played well enough in 2005 for the Mets to consider using him as the primary successor to Mike Piazza and adding a second catcher, preferably a left-handed-hitting one. But the Marlins' salary purge changed the landscape.

The Mets never were particularly interested in signing either free agent catcher, Ramon Herandez or Bengie Molina, for the amount they believed would be necessary. The club believes the Orioles have overpaid for Hernandez -- four years at $27.5 million. The offers the Mets did make to the two catchers were designed to see what Hernandez and Molina wouldn't accept.

Shouldn't the Mets have a left-handed-hitting catcher to play behind Lo Duca? And now that they didn't re-sign Marlon Anderson and Jose Offerman, don't they need another left-handed bench player or pinch-hitter?
-- Ed P., Bridgeport, Conn.

Ideally, yes. Their left-handed-hitting reserve at this point is Tike Redman.

Which Mets uniform numbers have been retired? Do you think others should be retired?
-- Jackson F., Farmington, Maine

The list is short -- 41 for Tom Seaver, 14 for Gil Hodges, 37 for Casey Stengel and, as is the case for all Major League clubs, 42 for Jackie Robinson.

If the club were to retire another number, it seemingly would have to be 17, for Keith Hernandez, the player most critical to the team's run of success in the 1980s. Hernandez's arrival in 1983 initiated the transformation of the Mets' clubhouse culture. The emergence of Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden and the acquisition of Gary Carter transformed the team into a power.

But Hernandez was the key factor. Hernandez didn't win his MVP Award with the Mets -- the one he shared with Willie Stargell came in 1979 when he still was with the Cardinals -- but he was the leader in MVP points in the National League from 1984-88 and, not coincidentally, played in more victories than any Major League player during that five-year sequence.

With Gaby Hernandez and Yusmeiro Petit traded, which Mets Minor League pitcher is closest to being Major League-ready?
-- Art P., Yonkers, N.Y.

Even before the trades, Brian Bannister was the closest to Major League-ready. That hasn't changed. He is the 24-year-old right-handed son of former White Sox and Astros pitcher Floyd Bannister.

Bannister had a 9-4 record and 2.56 ERA in 18 Double-A starts and a 4-1 record and 3.18 ERA in eight starts in Triple-A in 2005.
 

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Soriano wants out of DC b/c he doesn't want to play in the outfield. Says he wants to go back to the AL. I wonder if he would settle on the Mets 2nd base position. Go get him Omar!!!
 

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Clem D said:
Why do you want a second guy on the right side of infield who cant catch?

he isn't THAT bad....honestly watching him play those yrs in ny..I didn't get the impression that he was all that bad...he made alot of good plays with his athletic
ability alone...I think he would thrive on the Mets...that would be one hell of an IF....
 

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Clem D said:
Why do you want a second guy on the right side of infield who cant catch?


He does lack in the field, not in the way of range but in throwing accuracy. I think he more then makes up for this at the plate and on the bases. We have Kaz Matsui hell anybody would be an upgrade. We know he has and will produce in NYC which you can't say for everyone
 

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Where are the Met's budget wise? Gotta be close to the top of the NL if not AT the top.
 

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Where are the Met's budget wise? Gotta be close to the top of the NL if not AT the top.

I'm not sure but I remember hearing they are only about 6-8 million above last years budget. Lots of players came off the books. ..Piazza....Looper...Mienk (not even gonna try)
 

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"Multiple independent baseball sources have told GB that the Mets, Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox and Tampa Bay Devil Rays are working on a four-team megadeal that would send -- eventually -- Miguel Tejada to the Red Sox, Kris Benson and Julio Lugo to the Orioles, Aaron Heilman and prospects to the Devil Rays, and Manny Ramirez to the Mets.

We've been able to piece together some aspects of the deal, but they are subject to change as the teams continue to communicate with one other.

Mets would send Heilman and Matsui (and $5 million) to Tampa Bay for Lugo. Then New York would send Lugo, Kris Benson, Brian Bannister and Victor Diaz to Baltimore for Tejada, and then send Tejada to the Red Sox for Manny Ramirez.

For example:

Mets would get Manny Ramirez
O's would get Lugo, Benson, Bannister, Diaz
Red Sox would get Tejada
Devil Rays would get Heilman and Matsui

Nothing's close, but "these are the kind of deals that either fall apart immediately, or take until the spring to complete."

That's not all, folks.

We also hear that if the deal is not completed in a timely fashion, that the Mets will "not rest until they acquire Ramirez."
 

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I read yesterday tha Vidro said he's playing 2nd. And that Soriano is going to left and should quit bitching. Or something to that extent.
 
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