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Dirty Diapers, DerekNJND, you may need to double-check this for me, but my records show that Notre Dame has not won a bowl game since 1994. Is that right?

Trend: Notre Dame has not won a bowl game since 1994? :scared

Also, in Ty Willingham's first year, much like Weis's, the Irish were an impressive 10-2 regular season. Then N.C. State shelled them 28-6 in the Gator Bowl.

I have Notre Dame at 0-7 in the past 11 years in bowl games.

ND has clearly established that they are an offensive powerhouse, and offensive teams usually are successful against good defenses in bowl games, but I am really nervous now that I have discovered this ugly trend of the Irish getting beat down in their bowl games. Any insight?

GL :clap:
 
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Two words.... Charlie Weis.

I'm by no means a ND fan, but those past failures have nothing to do with this year's bowl game versus Ohio St. The fact that OSU has a great defense, a decent offense and a great bowl game coach does hold relevance (sp?).
 

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Some ND Humor from an OSU fan web site:

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Irish Stewing
By Tony Gerdeman

I know that I don?t speak for all Ohio State fans when I say that people just need to stop whining about Notre Dame getting an automatic bid for being in the Top 6 of the BCS poll. If there wasn?t a Top 6 stipulation for mid-majors, then we?d never be able to see a Utah or a Memphis or an Arkansas State or a Notre Dame in the BCS.

What the BCS has done is given teams that aren?t good enough to belong to a BCS conference an opportunity to show that they belong. And I?m sure that Notre Dame will be trying to prove that they are every bit the football power that Utah is. If there weren?t a Top 6 stipulation, then Notre Dame would be relegated to the Gator Bowl on NBC every year.

Don?t get me wrong, the Gator Bowl is a good bowl. It?s a New Year?s Day bowl game, after all. The problem is that it?s basically the rich man?s Humanitarian/MPC Computers Bowl in Boise, Idaho. Just like the MPC Computers Bowl is intended for Boise State every year, the Gator Bowl is intended for Notre Dame every year. The Gator Bowl is basically the old Humanitarian Bowl with racing stripes and power windows.

Giving Notre Dame, and all mid-majors, a chance to be in a BCS bowl game gives them the necessary exposure to compete with the Michigan States and the Boston Colleges of the world. If we don?t give UTEP, Eastern Michigan and Notre Dame a shot at the BCS, then we really haven?t progressed as a country. When Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, do you really think he meant that all men were created equal, except for SMU, Tulsa and Notre Dame? I don?t think so. The little guys have just as much right to a piece of the BCS pie as the big guys.

And so what if Notre Dame has lost seven consecutive bowl games. You can?t always expect to win 14.3% of your bowl games. If you look at their opponents over those seven bowl games, it?s easy to see why they were unable to overcome the big school mystique.

In the 1994 season, Notre Dame lost to Colorado in the ?95 Fiesta Bowl 41-24. Notre Dame, as a lone independent, did well to stay within 17 points of the Buffalo juggernaut in that game.

In the 1995 season, Notre Dame lost to mighty Florida State in the ?96 Orange Bowl 31-26. Yes, that Florida State. If you?re like me, you?re pretty impressed that they almost beat the Seminoles. Almost score one for the little guy.

In the 1996 season, there was no bowl. Probably because Notre Dame was unlisted in the phone book.

In the 1997 season, Notre Dame lost to LSU 27-9 in the Independence Bowl. Keep in mind that this was an LSU team that was representing the 4,000 pound gorilla known as the SEC. Had Notre Dame had the kind of backing that LSU did, you would have to think that they would have been far more competitive.

In the 1998 season, Notre Dame lost to Georgia Tech 35-28 in the ?99 Gator Bowl. It was a tough loss, but not an unexpected loss, as the Yellow Jackets had won a National Championship less than a decade earlier.

In the 1999 season, there was no bowl. If I recall correctly, they didn?t want to be flying during Y2K.

In the 2000 season, Notre Dame lost in the ?01 Fiesta Bowl 41-9 to Oregon State. There is no truth to the rumor that they sold their entire ticket allotment to Nebraska fans. It was probably this game that epitomized the distance between a BCS school and a mid-major like Notre Dame or Tulane or Louisiana-Lafayette.

In the 2001 season, there was no bowl. The rumor was that Notre Dame was being discriminated against for only winning five games. Rather than get in a fight against the immovable NCAA, Notre Dame just decided to move on and focus on academics.

In the 2002 season, Notre Dame lost to North Carolina State 28-6 in the ?03 Gator Bowl. It had to be frustrating to be playing a major BCS opponent every year in a bowl game and never getting an opponent of comparable talent. Say a North Texas or a Northern Illinois or even a San Jose State.

In the 2003 season, there was no bowl game for Notre Dame. At the time, the speculation was that the winner of the Sugar Bowl between LSU and Oklahoma would play Notre Dame, but the ?National Champion? Tigers reneged on the deal.

In 2004, Notre Dame once again lost to Oregon State. This time the bowl was the Insight Bowl and the score was 38-21. However, this time Notre Dame exacted their revenge on the hurtful Beavers by losing to them by fifteen fewer points than they did in 2001. This was a clear indicator that Notre Dame was definitely ready for that next step. That ?next step? was aided last year when Utah made the BCS and walked all over mighty Pittsburgh. Notre Dame saw that and said, ?If Utah can win a BCS game, then so can we!?

This year, Notre Dame will get that opportunity. And if history is any lesson, the Buckeyes better be ready. Notre Dame no longer sees itself as the pasty, red-headed stepchild of the NCAA. They see themselves as the under-cared-for middle child.

Well, on January 2nd, 2006, the middle child is going to make their definitive cry for attention and unleash a gauntlet of slaps and kicks the likes of which Ohio State has never seen. Will it be enough? It?s too early to say. However, if Ohio State isn?t careful, they could get a cornea scratched or a finger dislocated. Horseplay is dangerous.

As I think about Notre Dame?s place in the BCS, I?m reminded of the first time that I got to eat at the adults? table for dinner at my grandma?s house. I was no longer stuck eating meatloaf on the coffee table watching PBS. I was in the kitchen, eating meatloaf and listening to conversations about PBS. And it was grand. I appreciated my step up just as I?m sure Notre Dame appreciates the step up the BCS gave them a few years ago. However, when I made my step up, I at least brought something to the table (and it wasn?t a possible NCAA record-tying eighth consecutive bowl loss). So here?s hoping Notre Dame appreciates the hand out given to them by the BCS. I?m sure Troy or Louisiana-Monroe or Florida Atlantic would switch with Notre Dame in a heartbeat. Don?t take this opportunity for granted, Notre Dame. Because next year a counterpart like Florida International may take it from you.
 

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those past bowl games have no bearing what so ever on this years game.......yes some of these same players were on losing bowl teams but there is obviously a new attitude/philosophy with this coaching staff that hasn't been seen in south bend since "Lou" was in his prime....so in that regard, I wouldn't put too much stock in those previous years......now whether it translates into a "W" who knows......but if they do lose, it won't be because they weren't prepared, didn't have a great gameplan, or the fact that they haven't won a bowl game since '94. Charlie Weis has shown a great ability already to use a lot of ND's recent failures as motivation (for example his constant reminder to his team of the 31 point beat downs USC put on ND in the ty regime).....he stated the team will hear about not winning a bowl game since '94 from him every day until Jan. 2nd., so ND will be ready and hungry to change that.....but OSU will be too, so it should be a great game and hopefully ND can put this bad "run" to bed.

One more piece of info., ND is done with practice until next monday due to finals......starting next monday they will be going with a lot of 2 a days according to weis in preparation for this game.
 

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CWood97 said:
Some ND Humor from an OSU fan web site:

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Irish Stewing
By Tony Gerdeman

I know that I don?t speak for all Ohio State fans when I say that people just need to stop whining about Notre Dame getting an automatic bid for being in the Top 6 of the BCS poll. If there wasn?t a Top 6 stipulation for mid-majors, then we?d never be able to see a Utah or a Memphis or an Arkansas State or a Notre Dame in the BCS.

What the BCS has done is given teams that aren?t good enough to belong to a BCS conference an opportunity to show that they belong. And I?m sure that Notre Dame will be trying to prove that they are every bit the football power that Utah is. If there weren?t a Top 6 stipulation, then Notre Dame would be relegated to the Gator Bowl on NBC every year.

Don?t get me wrong, the Gator Bowl is a good bowl. It?s a New Year?s Day bowl game, after all. The problem is that it?s basically the rich man?s Humanitarian/MPC Computers Bowl in Boise, Idaho. Just like the MPC Computers Bowl is intended for Boise State every year, the Gator Bowl is intended for Notre Dame every year. The Gator Bowl is basically the old Humanitarian Bowl with racing stripes and power windows.

Giving Notre Dame, and all mid-majors, a chance to be in a BCS bowl game gives them the necessary exposure to compete with the Michigan States and the Boston Colleges of the world. If we don?t give UTEP, Eastern Michigan and Notre Dame a shot at the BCS, then we really haven?t progressed as a country. When Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, do you really think he meant that all men were created equal, except for SMU, Tulsa and Notre Dame? I don?t think so. The little guys have just as much right to a piece of the BCS pie as the big guys.

And so what if Notre Dame has lost seven consecutive bowl games. You can?t always expect to win 14.3% of your bowl games. If you look at their opponents over those seven bowl games, it?s easy to see why they were unable to overcome the big school mystique.

In the 1994 season, Notre Dame lost to Colorado in the ?95 Fiesta Bowl 41-24. Notre Dame, as a lone independent, did well to stay within 17 points of the Buffalo juggernaut in that game.

In the 1995 season, Notre Dame lost to mighty Florida State in the ?96 Orange Bowl 31-26. Yes, that Florida State. If you?re like me, you?re pretty impressed that they almost beat the Seminoles. Almost score one for the little guy.

In the 1996 season, there was no bowl. Probably because Notre Dame was unlisted in the phone book.

In the 1997 season, Notre Dame lost to LSU 27-9 in the Independence Bowl. Keep in mind that this was an LSU team that was representing the 4,000 pound gorilla known as the SEC. Had Notre Dame had the kind of backing that LSU did, you would have to think that they would have been far more competitive.

In the 1998 season, Notre Dame lost to Georgia Tech 35-28 in the ?99 Gator Bowl. It was a tough loss, but not an unexpected loss, as the Yellow Jackets had won a National Championship less than a decade earlier.

In the 1999 season, there was no bowl. If I recall correctly, they didn?t want to be flying during Y2K.

In the 2000 season, Notre Dame lost in the ?01 Fiesta Bowl 41-9 to Oregon State. There is no truth to the rumor that they sold their entire ticket allotment to Nebraska fans. It was probably this game that epitomized the distance between a BCS school and a mid-major like Notre Dame or Tulane or Louisiana-Lafayette.

In the 2001 season, there was no bowl. The rumor was that Notre Dame was being discriminated against for only winning five games. Rather than get in a fight against the immovable NCAA, Notre Dame just decided to move on and focus on academics.

In the 2002 season, Notre Dame lost to North Carolina State 28-6 in the ?03 Gator Bowl. It had to be frustrating to be playing a major BCS opponent every year in a bowl game and never getting an opponent of comparable talent. Say a North Texas or a Northern Illinois or even a San Jose State.

In the 2003 season, there was no bowl game for Notre Dame. At the time, the speculation was that the winner of the Sugar Bowl between LSU and Oklahoma would play Notre Dame, but the ?National Champion? Tigers reneged on the deal.

In 2004, Notre Dame once again lost to Oregon State. This time the bowl was the Insight Bowl and the score was 38-21. However, this time Notre Dame exacted their revenge on the hurtful Beavers by losing to them by fifteen fewer points than they did in 2001. This was a clear indicator that Notre Dame was definitely ready for that next step. That ?next step? was aided last year when Utah made the BCS and walked all over mighty Pittsburgh. Notre Dame saw that and said, ?If Utah can win a BCS game, then so can we!?

This year, Notre Dame will get that opportunity. And if history is any lesson, the Buckeyes better be ready. Notre Dame no longer sees itself as the pasty, red-headed stepchild of the NCAA. They see themselves as the under-cared-for middle child.

Well, on January 2nd, 2006, the middle child is going to make their definitive cry for attention and unleash a gauntlet of slaps and kicks the likes of which Ohio State has never seen. Will it be enough? It?s too early to say. However, if Ohio State isn?t careful, they could get a cornea scratched or a finger dislocated. Horseplay is dangerous.

As I think about Notre Dame?s place in the BCS, I?m reminded of the first time that I got to eat at the adults? table for dinner at my grandma?s house. I was no longer stuck eating meatloaf on the coffee table watching PBS. I was in the kitchen, eating meatloaf and listening to conversations about PBS. And it was grand. I appreciated my step up just as I?m sure Notre Dame appreciates the step up the BCS gave them a few years ago. However, when I made my step up, I at least brought something to the table (and it wasn?t a possible NCAA record-tying eighth consecutive bowl loss). So here?s hoping Notre Dame appreciates the hand out given to them by the BCS. I?m sure Troy or Louisiana-Monroe or Florida Atlantic would switch with Notre Dame in a heartbeat. Don?t take this opportunity for granted, Notre Dame. Because next year a counterpart like Florida International may take it from you.


Even with this we still have beaten the skunkbears 3/4 years. Nice try Wood.
 

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Loosinghams 2002 team won with smoke and mirrors that year. They didn't score an offensive TD until the third game. They were also like +20 turnovers which helped an opportunistic defense. Most ND fans knew we were going to get smoked in the BCS bowl. We saw it coming. That should have been a 6-5 or 7-4 team in 2002. The football gods looked out for us that year.

It's amazing how these Ohio St. fans think they have had a fantastic season. LOL. Their best win is Michigan... They have played 7 of their 11 games at home. The big 10 has two wins and 6 loses to BCS eligible teams. Defintely a top heavy conference this year. They have done nothing more impressive than ND this year except beat up on average teams in the Big 10. Both are 9-2 teams and the line should be close.

We have not feared well in bowls past. All of the teams the last seven years have been average at best. This is a totally different team especially on the offensive side. Their defense is really young and took their knocks at the beginning of the season, but they're continuing to improve and have played solid the last five games. Most of the defensive starters were highly recruited coming out of high school. Watch out for them next year.

Ohio St. is a good team. This will be a close game IMO. Weis has a whole month to prepare and he has been on them about their record in bowl games the last decade. ND has lost by a combined 6pts all year. I have a little money on them at +5.5. I think the real play is the over. GL
 

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DIRTY Diapers said:
Even with this we still have beaten the skunkbears 3/4 years. Nice try Wood.

Lighten up DD. You have to admit that was a pretty humerous write up.
 

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Didn't find the write up funny at all, and I usually appreciate anti-ND humor.

The Irish have to take it until they can turn around their bowl games. Maybe they can start paying the backup qb's
 

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Dirty Diapers, DerekNJND, you may need to double-check this for me, but my records show that Notre Dame has not won a bowl game since 1994. Irish were an impressive 10-2 regular season. Then N.C. State shelled them 28-6 in the Gator Bowl.


Comparing that Irish team to this year's team is like comparing you to grown men. Whole different league my boy.
 

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DerekNJND said:
Comparing that Irish team to this year's team is like comparing you to grown men. Whole different league my boy.

Lighten up Derek. No need for insults.

Did you check the numbers? 0-7 the last 11 years? I only mentioned you because I know what an avid Irish fan you are. I hadn't really paid attention to Notre Dame in a long time and I had overlooked their poor performance in bowl games. GL :mj14:
 

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Lighten up Derek. No need for insults.

Did you check the numbers? 0-7 the last 11 years? I only mentioned you because I know what an avid Irish fan you are. I hadn't really paid attention to Notre Dame in a long time and I had overlooked their poor performance in bowl games. GL :mj14:


You know what Aubrey, I dont remember. I only started liking ND my freshman year of college because I was at school there, 1999. I know where ya could find out though, go to www.WHOCARES.com. Its a division of ESPN
 

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Lighten up Derek. No need for insults.


I was making a point about football. What is your highest level of education? You dont seem to have a high level of reading comprehension. THE POINT was ND in 2002 was a team that TIED a record for the FEWEST TURNOVERS EVER in a college football season. They took care of the ball and made plays on defense and special teams, while the offense just managed the game and did its best not to lose games.

This year's team is NOTHING like that squad. That team was en route to a BCS game and LUCKILY got cut short of a BCS game by USC in their last game. Any top 10 team they played that season would have beat them 35+ to like 10. Even NC STATE handled them pretty easily. Goes back to my point about great defenses and inempt offenses. Purely football related comment with a little joke. Dry your eye man
 

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2002 had a tougher schedule IMO. Wins over Florida St. and Maryland.

Not saying they were a better team, but played a tougher schedule.
 
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Love it!! Truth hurts!! watch out your IQ etc will be questioned. Lots of know it alls on here that don't know jack ----!! Plenty of Scotts out there it seems. what a scarey thought!! No wonder I get pissed every time I get out in public or on the road World full of smart asses and idiots!!
 

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Love it!! Truth hurts!! watch out your IQ etc will be questioned. Lots of know it alls on here that don't know jack ----!! Plenty of Scotts out there it seems. what a scarey thought!! No wonder I get pissed every time I get out in public or on the road World full of smart asses and idiots!!


Baking powder? Squeeze me?
 

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2002 had a tougher schedule IMO. Wins over Florida St. and Maryland.

Not saying they were a better team, but played a tougher schedule.

First of all, I would think the win over 9-3 Michigan that year was BY FAR our best win, so its nice to see that you HAVENT done your research, as usual.

The Maryland win was nothing, they were OVERRATED coming off a trip to the Orange bowl the year before.

FSU was 9-5 that year, so besides the fact that we beat them at Doak Walker, who cares? Yea, they used to win the ACC every year with 4 losses and go to the BCS. Thats why VT and Miami were imported into the ACC.

Cant blame ND for the schedule. We scheduled 3 teams that were in the BCS last season, Michigan, USC, and Pitt, along with perennial powerhouse Tennessee. Not our fault Pitt and Tenn had off years.

Good luck in the , capital one bowl is it? Whatever,
 

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First of all, I would think the win over 9-3 Michigan that year was BY FAR our best win, so its nice to see that you HAVENT done your research, as usual.

The Maryland win was nothing, they were OVERRATED coming off a trip to the Orange bowl the year before.

FSU was 9-5 that year, so besides the fact that we beat them at Doak Walker, who cares? Yea, they used to win the ACC every year with 4 losses and go to the BCS. Thats why VT and Miami were imported into the ACC.

Cant blame ND for the schedule. We scheduled 3 teams that were in the BCS last season, Michigan, USC, and Pitt, along with perennial powerhouse Tennessee. Not our fault Pitt and Tenn had off years.

Good luck in the , capital one bowl is it? Whatever,

Research this lawyer boy:

2002 Maryland 11-3 (yeah, they were terrible)

How many teams has Notre Dame beaten this year that will have 11 wins? 10 wins?

You bring absolutely nothing to the table, just like your team.

I guess Notre Dame fans have a lot in common with Alabama fans, even though you guys haven't won a bowl game since 1994, you still try and talk smack about Auburn, who has won 3 bowl games in a row against Big 10 and ACC opponents, including a BCS win. I guess you're just lashing out because a Auburn grad is pointing out the fact that the leprechauns have been laying down in bowl games for over a decade. Sorry dude. You're not mad at me, you're mad at your no-bowl-winning team.

If my team had lost 7 bowls in a row, I would be very quiet around this time of year. But you and Dirty are running off at the mouth like you guys are USC. Amazing.
 
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You know who else that OVER-RATED Maryland beat in 2002?

The same N.C. State team that shelled Notre Dame 28-6 in the Gator Bowl!

Tell me again how they were over-rated and how I didn't do my research? Please.
 
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You know who else that OVER-RATED Maryland beat in 2002?

The same N.C. State team that shelled Notre Dame 28-6 in the Gator Bowl!

Tell me again how they were over-rated and how I didn't do my research? Please.


Thanks for proving my point! My point was that ND was not GOOD that year. How does ANYTHING you just said disprove that? Didnt think so.
 
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