Now What?

[BleedDodgerBlue]

of course rutgers isn't the 2nd or even the 5th best team in the country.

my point was solely that if you are going to have the big east as a bcs conference, and you do have a team go undefeated, and they don't get to play for the national title when they are one of only two bcs undefeateds, then wahat is the point of the big east being in the bcs?

rutgers probably won't win out. but they could. then what? elminate the big east from the bcs?

of course they aren't better than half of the teams ahead of them if not more. BUT, why is the big east even in the bcs? that was the point.


and again, don't be surprised to see usc play in the title game. their s.o.s is through the roof the next 3 weeks if they do well. computers will love them.


gl

 

[gjn23]

Every game is important all season long in CFB, its what makes going undefeated so special....But I don't think you can put Boise in the Championship game...
I do believe West Virginia beats Rutgers (@ W Va) on Dec 2nd and very possibly by a large margin...which will stir it up a little more.

We wait the next few weeks, watch Ohio St beat Michigan. Then there are still lots of good conference championship games remaining... who's playing the best after those are done??
You gotta consider all teams w/ one loss.... NO team w/2 losses. And it shouldn't be Michigan again ....
Florida/Arkansas/Auburn/Texas/USC/Cal /Notre Dame ???

Its too early and all the talk is just that... talk. Until some of these next games are played we can only speculate, and I'm done for now... g'nite and gg'luck to all.

funny you mention those 7 because only one of those teams has a chance to beat 3 of the iter teams prior to the bowl games, and that team is:

usc

Then after all these last games are played, watch and vote on who we think the best team w/one loss is cuz they get to play Ohio St.

the more i look at this, i agree with mark may....at 11-1 usc WILL HAVE the strongest case of any one loss team to get in the bcs title game and will have a chance to make a statement in the last month of the season

wins over top 15 (or so) bcs teams:

ark
nd-late
cal-late
ore-late

then wins over:

wsu
neb

will sc do it? that's up for debate, the way they were playing prior to losing at osu, NO....but if their offense improves and gets healthy this last month....MAYBE (all games are in LA)

 

[Phenom]

I have to give it to Rutgers, they shut down Louisville in the 2nd half.. after seeing this much of the season, I think we are still in for a few more big upsets and the projections now won't mean anything in a couple weeks...

 

[Sun Tzu]

no

they get there if they are the second best team.....and if sc wins out, personally i think they are the second best team (but might not pass fla-tex) and would match up the best vs osu

as for nd, as a huge domer, i cant see them in the title game.

If USC shows up top play they arent the second best team they are the BEST team....

I am just not sure they can be called No 2 even if they win out.

Michigan would have one loss to OSU

Texas one loss to OSU

Various SEC scenarios...

Auburn one loss to Ark

Fla one loss to Auburn

Ark one loss to USC

WVa one loss to Ville....

USC easily will have the worst loss. That has to matter for something. Beating Oregon doesnt impress me - absent refs Oklahoma did that. Beat Cal - you mean the team Tenn rolled? ND? UCLA?

WOuld be a nice run, but the names sound better than how good the wins really are. Isnt Cal the only one that would truly impress anyone?

 

[ThrowinPicks]

no

What are you kidding me?

Rutgers in the title game?


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they get there if they are the second best team.....and if sc wins out, personally i think they are the second best team (but might not pass fla-tex) and would match up the best vs osu

as for nd, as a huge domer, i cant see them in the title game.

So what are you really saying?

 

[gjn23]

GJn you aregue with me about BCS every year and I prove you wrong every year.

Florida doesnt "get back" playing a team ranked 300 plus. I dont think you understand how those rankings work. Especially by beating a 4 loss FSU. And since they already played Auburn (and lost) it doesnt help near as much as you think. They need to play Arkansas.

Yes the computers hate Texas...but they will be No 2 in human polls (2/3 of the formula) and with the other teams losing Texas keeps moving up in the computers even playing bad teams...games that wouldnt seem like they matter do -



I will look for the analysis I saw from some MIT guru....he claims absent something very weird it is Texas or USC, with a very slight chance for Florida....

i dont argue with you every year about the bcs....it's all been fairly clear the past few years

my only point is should fla-tx-sc all win out, those three will likely be very close in the bcs rankings.

personally i think sc would have the best case of the three and have the best chance of the three to beat osu. i also dont think any funny business would be happening should sc jump texas in the human polls should both win out.....beating ore-cal-nd-ucla is gonna give them good exposure and media hype vs tex beating k-state, am, neb

 

[gman2]

i enjoy watching gjn/sun tzu go at it because they are often debates that are just heated enough that you wonder if theyre going to cross the line and start throwing down. but they also both do their homework and know what theyre talking about. a mutual respect where they agree to never agree.

 

[Sun Tzu]

USC would seem to skyrocket in the computers - but they are already the highest ranked one loss team in the computers per SOS so there really isnt anywhere for them to go except pass OSU-Michigan loser, and a spot here or there in some of the polls.

To get to the title game they probably need Texas and Florida to lose to get high enough in the human polls. Plus a big issue would be how far does Michigan-OSU loser fall.

If Michigan loses a decent game AT OSU, why would you if you are a voter decide they should be ranked lower than any of the other one loss teams?

 

[gjn23]

USC would seem to skyrocket in the computers - but they are already the highest ranked one loss team in the computers so ther really sint anywhere fro them to go except pass OSU-Michigan loser. To get to the title game they probably need Texas and Florida to lsoe to get high enough in the human polls. plus a big issue would be how far does Michigan-OSU loser fall.

If Michigan loses a decent game AT OSU, why would you if you are a voter decide they should be ranked lower than any of the other one loss teams?

huh?

sc is 7th in the computers behind fla-cal-nd as one loss teams

and yes, mich will fall below someone should they lose at osu...

as far as the human polls go, there will eventually be some readjusting by some of the voters

sc beats ark on the road who beats aub on the road....yet aub is ranked above both??????

time to readjust that human ranking

and admit it....those human polls will be subject to personal opinion and outside influences and all those things will help sc more than any team the last 4 weeks should they win out

(did you forget mack brown getting his team in the rose bowl 2 years ago jumping cal in the human polls the last week of the season, when cal won and texas didnt play....time for payback)

 

[Sun Tzu]

i dont argue with you every year about the bcs....it's all been fairly clear the past few years

my only point is should fla-tx-sc all win out, those three will likely be very close in the bcs rankings.

personally i think sc would have the best case of the three and have the best chance of the three to beat osu. i also dont think any funny business would be happening should sc jump texas in the human polls should both win out.....beating ore-cal-nd-ucla is gonna give them good exposure and media hype vs tex beating k-state, am, neb

By funny busniess I mean voters changing their opinions due to not wanting a rematch. Beating Cal is a nice win, but the other 3 dont mean much to me nor should they to anyone else. And it isnt just Texas - they suddenly would be better and deserve to pass Michigan, Texas, Florida, Auburn, etc? I dont think one can say that with a straight face if today they are voting USC 8th.

 

[Sun Tzu]

I thought it was telling that the Greek clown who used to play USC predicted yesterday that USC loses at least one if not more games. If that homer doesnt think they win out, you can almost take that to the bank.

I wouldnt mind USC getting there since it was my only future bet.

Heck ,what about Boise? You want USC there that lost to the Beavers that Boise routed by 4 or 5 touchdowns.

 

[Sun Tzu]

huh?

sc is 7th in the computers behind fla-cal-nd as one loss teams

and yes, mich will fall below someone should they lose at osu...

as far as the human polls go, there will eventually be some readjusting by some of the voters

sc beats ark on the road who beats aub on the road....yet aub is ranked above both??????

time to readjust that human ranking

and admit it....those human polls will be subject to personal opinion and outside influences and all those things will help sc more than any team the last 4 weeks should they win out

(did you forget mack brown getting his team in the rose bowl 2 years ago jumping cal in the human polls the last week of the season, when cal won and texas didnt play....time for payback)

.

Texas passed Cal because of the computers, not the human polls. Texas was not ahead of Cal in either human poll. Dont act like ScottUSC and make things up.

 

[gjn23]

i enjoy watching gjn/sun tzu go at it because they are often debates that are just heated enough that you wonder if theyre going to cross the line and start throwing down. but they also both do their homework and know what theyre talking about. a mutual respect where they agree to never agree.

:mj07:

i'm just happy ncaa hoops is here

 

[KG5678]

wvu will ruin rutgers

What again no respect? What does this team have to do to get some respect?

Rutgers will beat WV.

Believe it.

 

[Hashish]

What again no respect? What does this team have to do to get some respect?

Rutgers will beat WV.

Believe it.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

PLEASE do not smoke crack before posting on here!!

 

[Sun Tzu]

Rutgers has tons of respect. A ton of folks on them tonight....many of the same folks saying they will lose to Wva

 

[Sun Tzu]

:mj07:

i'm just happy ncaa hoops is here

True. Arizona should be very good this year, so will be interesting to se how Lute manages to scre it up.



Lighten up...it's November....too early to pucker at these jabs....

 

[LA Burns]

"of course rutgers isn't the 2nd or even the 5th best team in the country.

my point was solely that if you are going to have the big east as a bcs conference, and you do have a team go undefeated, and they don't get to play for the national title when they are one of only two bcs undefeateds, then wahat is the point of the big east being in the bcs?"


This is the main point - If you are in a BCS conference and are one of 2 undefeated teams, you should automatically play for the prize

Otherwise, kick the BE out and don't even give them a spot in any of the BCS games

This will all become moot after RU loses to CINN next week, and mark my words, they will lose to CINN next week

Anyone got a good guess at the early line?

 

[redsfann]

Just where the hell is Nick Douglas when we need an 'expert' to figure this all out for us.
Because we are to dum to do it on own....:mj07:

 

[tulah]

I would be happy with OSU/Mich vs USC or Texas. More USC, mostly cause I'm a homer.

This season is long from over.