Obama neglects american foreign policy .

[Trampled Underfoot]

WE? WE? Does that mean you're going to crawl out from under your bed and actually contribute something, do the hard work?

LOL!

You know on the weekends Hedgy is over there licking their asses one at a time.

 

[Lumi]

Pretty gay. :shrug:

Leave the gays out of it, to compare them, and some are serving in country to hedgie is not fair duff.

On different note, I know several "Snake Eaters" and "Spooks" and they have gone "Dark" in the last 2 months so the are up to something. We do need an exit strategy, but everytime Obama, or Gee Wiz extends a tour of duty or sends more troops, it's only human nature, for most people, to cuss at the POTUS. I don't know every boot in country, but it hurts me personally every time I hear one is injured or killed. Every time I hear a group of civilians are taken out, I am bothered, something like that could happen to my ex-wife and kids. YES IT CAN HAPPEN IN AMERICA.
The koolaid drinking right needs to sit down and apply a cool towel to their head and relax when Obama makes a Military deciision, it seems to me that not many of you have laced em up, I know that don't mean shit to you, but the decisions are coming from a whole bunch of Generals that if you counted up the Stars, it could almost fill up the dolar system, almost.......:0corn

Obama is just handed a folder and told what the skinny is, and he goes along.

 

[rusty]

Just what does victory mean to you? What are you trying to accomplish?

1)Preventing another attack on US Soil.
2)The Taliban not only running Afganastan,but influtrating Pakastan.
3)Which would lead to the real possibility of a takeover of nukes.
4)Keeping terrorist at bay.

 

[rusty]

Rusty,

I really take exception to the Fred Barnes article. Totallly biased and riddled with stretches of the truth.

And Rusty, you might want to read many, many military articles as I have over the last week. They are written by the people dedicated to making us safe. Not a person with a political slant, whether it be from the right or the left.

Is Obama turning his back when he sent 700 CIA agents and special ops people to Afghanistan last week? There is even a pictures of them loading into a KC135 in the darkness of night at a US air base.

Their mission is to step up intellegience gathering, identify al queda leaders, and perform special ops to pick off or capture their leaders. They are hoping for a major disruption in the chain of al queda command and gain valuable information. I see no turning of anyone's back. And how ironic, as I type the news is being portrayed as black or white - winning or losing. The situation, as history has proven, is difficult and intricate: herion, culture, neighboring countries, Afghan corruption, etc. I assume some delay is ligitimately caused by the Afgan election. Who are we supporting? Someone who riggs elections? Karzai needs to step in line.

I say lets get it right. Define our plans and goals. When that is established, I have no doubt our military will complete those goals. I don't see any president ever allowing Pakistan's nuclear weapons being compromised, one of the main goals. Al Qaida can organize terriosts anwhere in the world, as was shown in US intelligence squashing a pocket in Somalia a coupe of weeks ago.

As all of our presidents have mentioned, it is very difficult to send our troops into harms way - as it should be. Focus on the mission, not what political pundits of both sides are spewing.

I respect your opinion.Hope your correct.
Thats my biggest concern.The nukes,as well as keeping them out of Pakastan.

As far as Afganastan goes ,shortly after 9/11they were in my mind defeated.Bush should take some blame the way things are now,as he neglected the area to finish his dads work in Iran.

To many causualties going on tells me that the plan (NATO included)is not working.
When military officials are advising a troop surge,that tells me its time for a troop surge.

Before its to late .I understand your electrion fraud point.Tell the people down there who to follow and they will.Thats the scary part.

As far Fred Barnes article.I have been a Independent voter my whole life.

When I came across this article it really hit home cause it described how I feel.Hes in it for the liberals and liberals only.Even Clinton new how to play both sides.I voted for O,and already I cant stand him.

Honestly ,I have been registered to vote since the 80's,and not once have I regretted my vote,not once.

Cheers!

 

[Lumi]

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

 

[rusty]

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

:shrug: I hate link posts.Most of the time there spam.

 

[Lumi]

That one isn't,
I don't post crap
I have posted some great sports links
in my MNF thread, if you choose not
to utilize those, you will miss out
on some great info.

Plus the one I just posted ends with .org
and they never jam you up

 

[Duff Miver]

they took the fight to us here, now we are licking their ass on their soil. I see the argument for leaving Iraq but not Afghanistan, we need to find Osama, you would have thought by now we could find his ass, I think he is dead. We need to close the borders and make English the official language of the US

WE? What's stopping you, other than the yellow streak down your back?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Lets get them with intell, special ops, fight terror with terror, no conventional foces on the ground anywhere... that's what I said before Obama, that's what I say now. All the posturing and BS is just that ! You can't expect your gov to defeat an enemy that they and you don't understand ! the art of war 101 ....we learn nothing from history and then we do it again ! We won Nam, hundreds some days to prove it.. Let's do it again ! Spill the blood, minds, bodies, souls, hearts, piece of minds of loved ones for eternities; for WHAT ????? They kept us saafe ??? What cost ??? What did we gain ? I say let them walk into a walmart and blow it up. Then we all have a taste of it... You gun lovers should welcome the terrorist , why don't you guys defend yourselves.. You hang Our Boy's out to dry in the name of God & Liberty.... Fuck you !

Gee Mr B Did you miss takin your meds again.

I was just giving O/admin a thumbs up on war on terror of late.

With news out today--he will certainly have some choices to make--
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090921/ts_afp/usafghanistannatounrestmilitary

He's will be getting taste of what GW went through in Iraq in the very near future--

He already emphatically stated this was the good war and must be won--

Will he do whats needs to be done to win--will he pull a Rumsfield and try and tread water with what he has--or will he revert to his Iraq tendencies and kurby

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

1)Preventing another attack on US Soil.
2)The Taliban not only running Afganastan,but influtrating Pakastan.
3)Which would lead to the real possibility of a takeover of nukes.
4)Keeping terrorist at bay.

All we have done is create more terrorists.

 

[rusty]

All we have done is create more terrorists.

The truth is there capabilities have been significantly reduced since 9/11.Lets keep it that way.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

The truth is there capabilities have been significantly reduced since 9/11.Lets keep it that way.

It only takes one fucking nut to set off an nuclear bomb in the US. We have pissed off so many young extremists. Smart move. One day you will see the error in your logic.

 

[rusty]

It only takes one fucking nut to set off an nuclear bomb in the US. We have pissed off so many young extremists. Smart move. One day you will see the error in your logic.

But if these young extremists had there way ,wouldnt they do that regardless?
Thats where you miss the point.

Now Im hearing that drones are gonna be the new plan.Might save some lifes,but will have no effect.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

But if these young extremists had there way ,wouldnt they do that regardless?
Thats where you miss the point.

Now Im hearing that drones are gonna be the new plan.Might save some lifes,but will have no effect.

The issue is why are they mad? It all comes back to that. If we weren't sticking our noses where it shouldn't be, we wouldn't be in this mess. Now we have a bunch of cock suckers that are willing to die to kill Americans. We created those fuckers before 9/11. After 9/11 we have created a ton more.