PAC VS SEC

[wareagle]

# of wins since 95

USC (82) UT (101)
Oregon (81) UF (96)
Washington (70) (UGA 82)
UCLA (62) LSU (81)
ASU (61) AU (80)
OSU (57) (OM 69)
Zona (55) Bama (69)
Stanford (54) Ark (61)
Cal (50) USC (49)

SEC 8 advantages and its not even close. Pac 10 gets ONE push. 8-0-1

 

[wareagle]

number of NCs from 95-04

SEC (3)
UF
UT
LSU

Pac 10 (1)
USC

 

[Master Capper]

Agree with you that the Pac 10 is in no way shape or form is comparable to the SEC, any chance you have the numbers on how the SEC ranks against the Big 10 and 12, since they have generally been regarded as the 2nd and 3rd best leagues over the last 5 years.

 

[Scott4USC]

wareagle

Nice hard core data. One problem. Take a look at OOC play for SEC. :lol2

Case Closed!

Agree with you that the Pac 10 is in no way shape or form is comparable to the SEC, any chance you have the numbers on how the SEC ranks against the Big 10 and 12, since they have generally been regarded as the 2nd and 3rd best leagues over the last 5 years.

Thank for sharing your opinion Mr. Jose Conseco. :mj07:

 

[Sun Tzu]

I know I for one just cant wait for the brutal Pac-10 non-conference schedule this year. USC-Hawaii, UCLA-Rice, UCLA-San Diego State, Stanford-Navy, Stanford-UCDavis (surely a national tv tilt), Cal-Sacramento State (another doozy), Cal-New Mexico State (hope they have a bye before this one), OSU-Portland State, Oregon-Houston, Oregon-Indiana, Wazzu-Idaho, Wazzu-Nevada, Wazzu-Grambling (whoa!), Wash-Idaho (I guess if Vandals win they are Washington State champions?), I shouldnt forget that half the conference teams play Notre Dame - now that's is tough, ASU-Temple, (guess we can offset with them playing LSU), Arizona-Northern Arizona.

There are of course a handful of potentially solid opponents. But Scoot get off the high horse. Generally your non-conference schedule sucks just like everyone's.

 

[Master Capper]

Sun,


Now you know what Scott will say that the Pac 10 tried to schedule every top 20 team, but they were afraid to play the Pac 10. UC-DAVIS and SAC ST, the would be like Ohio State scheduling Wittenberg and Muskingum College.

 

[Scott4USC]

wareagle said "# wins since 1995"

wareagle said "number of NCs from 95-04"

CASE CLOSED!


BTW, Pac 10 has won 2 National Championships since 1995 which you clearly omitted. 3 for SEC and 2 for the Pac 10.

Here is what cracks me up. Wareagle, an Auburn fan brought this data up. Last year Auburn couldn't make it to the BCS NC game and the AP poll didn't think they were the best team in the country. What held AU back? THEIR SOS! THEIR OOC SOS! If USC or OU didn't go undefeated, we would have seen a classic example of a team from the SEC going undefeated and playing for a NC. Finally everything I been saying about the SEC on MJ's was proven correct last season and the SEC was EXPOSED for their weak OOC play. Isn't it funny how life works out. :mj07:

Isn't it sad that the AP poll didn't think a team from the mighty SEC was worthy of being National Champions. AP poll 2 years ago felt a team from the poor little pac 10 was worthy of being National Champions. Poor Auburn and the SEC.

Auburn almost backdoored their way to a NC by beating Citadel, LA Monroe and mighty LA TECH! GO TIGERS! WAR EAGLE! :lol2

Please don't forget this. Of all the BCS conferences, the SEC by far has the most teams going undefeated in conference play. That is a FACT!

You Pac 10 bashers are hilarious. :142lmao:

Get some quality ammo before you start bashing the Pac 10! :bigun:

FYI, I never said the Pac 10 is better than the SEC, but I do know that the SEC is "NOT" vastly superior to the Pac 10. There are NO arguments to support that. At least I have not seen one yet!

 

[ET4646]

Wholly shit! This crap already? It's going to be a long 4 months til football season here a MJ's

 

[volfan]

Case closed?

10 of 26 first rounders from the SEC

There is a stat for ya to chew on....

 

[berrong]

THE PAC 10 CON;T HOLD THE SEC JOCK STRAP.

 

[gjn23]

The starting salaries for incoming freshman football players in the SEC are the best in the nation.



To say that ANY major conference is VASTLY superior to ANY other major conference shows two things....your bias and your ignornace.

 

[AU2001]

The SEC is, has been, and always will be the best conference in college football.

Auburn was the best team in college football in 2004-05.

California should secede from the United States.

 

[gjn23]

you are an idiot

 

[ET4646]

Your right it really sucks out here, we should all move to Alabama. :mj07:

 

[Scott4USC]

Auburn was the best team in college football in 2004-05.

You have the right to your opinion although you are in the minority. Too bad the people who are important disagreed with you. Maybe they were not as impressed as you were with Auburns wins over Louisiana Monroe, The Citadel, Louisiana Tech, Mississippi St., Kentucky, and Alabama. You obviously were impressed. Or maybe it was Auburn playing 3 straight home games to start the year and only playing 4 road games ALL SEASON! What a joke. :mj07:

But we should all give SEC programs a free pass for playing piss poor OOC schedule and all those home games. They have to fill up their stadiums and make money. Give Auburn credit. They almost snuck their way into the BCS NC game and possibly win a National Championship. SEC is great in doing that although they were EXPOSED last season.

But the SEC is so tough because so many teams are ranked in the top 25. The uneducated forget that all these SEC teams rack up wins against piss poor OOC play and all their home games. WINS gets teams ranked in the top 25.

Take Alabama for example. They finished 6-6 on the year and you think they are decent team since they are 500 record. Look CLOSER and take a peek at their 6 wins. Utah State, Mississippi, Western Carolina, @Kentucky, Southern Miss, Mississippi St. When LSU played Alabama they were a 6-3 team and the uneducated think this is solid team and impressed when LSU beats them. The next week Auburn plays Alabama who is now 6-4 team who just lost to LSU week before. BTW, AU only beat Alabama by 8pts but people are impressed because Alabama was a 6-4 team. Alabama only played 4 road games ALL SEASON! First 3 games of season for Alabama were all at home!

This is how the SEC gets the uneducated to think they are such a superior conference. If the SEC really was great then why doesn't that conf. have a good record against BCS competition?

The SEC is, has been, and always will be the best conference in college football.

Based on what? If they really were, then why does SEC play a cupcake OOC schedule? Why is the SEC afraid to play on the road? Why doesn't the SEC have an impressive record against BCS competition? Thats a lot of questions for a conf. you think "is, has been, and always will be the best conference in college football."

 

[Sun Tzu]

Scott of course ignoring his conference's cupcake schedule. Also ignoring how his school was Number 1 in both polls 2 years ago yet not in the BCS game - tells you all you need to know about how poorly the computers thought of SEC and the PAc 10 that year, but Scott of course wont agree with that - somehow it means something different when it is his team on the short end.

As for fear I dont think any of these schools are afraid to play on the road. it is all about money - more home games means more money. That is just reality and you are distorting that fact for your agenda. And you know what - same thing at every big conference for that one as well. An exception here and there - Oregon State-LSU last year, Texas-Ohio State this year come to mind.

And finally, how can you gripe at Auburn with a straight face when they had teams cancel contracts with them? Another fact you choose to ignore. B

ottom line is as I said earlier - all the major conferences have crap non-conference schedules. PAc 10 is no exception. Maybe the SEC is a worse - of course their conference is much tougher as well and it could be argued they make up for it. I guess if they schedule Idaho and Cal Davis across the board it wont look so bad to you.

 

[AU2001]

The SEC is the standard by which all other conferences are judged.

The Pac-10 is what mid-majors aspire to be someday, the 5th best conference in college football.

 

[wareagle]

#OF PLAYERS DRAFTED

SEC-38

Pac 10-30


i guess that means we need to play a tougher SOS and out of conference games :mj07:

 

[Scott4USC]

Also ignoring how his school was Number 1 in both polls 2 years ago yet not in the BCS game - tells you all you need to know about how poorly the computers thought of SEC and the PAc 10 that year, but Scott of course wont agree with that - somehow it means something different when it is his team on the short end.

LSU edged out USC by .16 BCS pts. Thats as small as it gets. VERY NARROW Margin. Only reason LSU edged out USC because the computer polls favored LSU while HUMAN polls had USC ahead of LSU by wide margin. Thats why they changed the BCS system because nobody wanted LSU ahead of USC.

BCS had USC SOS #37 and LSU SOS #29. Maybe you think thats a wide margin. :mj07:

LSU only got in because ND and Hawaii lost their last games of the year. UCLA tanked the week prior to USC playing them. The biggest reason of them all was Washington St. lost to their rival Washington on a last possession drive. WSU starting QB got injured and did not play in the game. How fortunate for LSU. WSU would have given USC bonus pts for finishing top 10 in BCS standings if they beat UW.

Despite all that, LSU finished only .16 BCS pts ahead of USC in final BCS standings.

And finally, how can you gripe at Auburn with a straight face when they had teams cancel contracts with them? Another fact you choose to ignore.

USC was in the same position as Auburn last year. USC needed to fill in 2 teams in next years schedule. USC asked Miami they said no. USC asked Michigan and even volunteered to play AT Michigan and they said NO. USC was looking for 2 opponents and nobody stepped up to the plate. Finally V-Tech agreed to play USC in the kickoff classic (which was located near V-tech and 60k + hokie fans vs 15k USC fans) and then Colorado St. agreed to play. Auburn found 2 div. 2 opponents. CASED CLOSED!

wareagle[/COLOR]]#OF PLAYERS DRAFTED

SEC-38

Pac 10-30


i guess that means we need to play a tougher SOS and out of conference games :mj07:

:clap: :clap: :clap:

SEC should have more players drafted for 2 reasons. #1, there are 12 teams in the SEC and only 10 teams in the Pac 10. #2, the SEC gets a lot more TV exposure than the Pac 10.

SEC had an average of 3.16 players drafted per team!
Pac 10 had an average of 3 players drafted per team!

Still impressed? :mj07:

Keep pounding your chest about the SEC and I will tear apart any arguments anybody makes about the SEC. The reality is the SEC is not superior to the Pac 10. Maybe slightly better but not superior. I def. have more respect for the Pac 10 than the SEC.

 

[Scott4USC]

Sun Tzu

Scott of course ignoring his conference's cupcake schedule.

This is a post I posted last year on MJ's :lol2

2004 Pac 10 OOC vs SEC OOC Opponents!!!

I was challenged by a poster to post the Pac 10 OOC opponents vs SEC OOC opponents. So I decided to do it and glad I did. Take a look at the difference in quality of teams the Pac 10 plays vs SEC.

Pac 10 plays 13 road games against OOC competition.
SEC plays 5 road games against OOC competition. :142lmao:

From the top of my head it looks like the.........
Pac 10 is playing 14 OOC Bowl opponents from last year!!!!!!!!!!!
SEC is playing 8 bowl opponents from last year.

After looking over each conferences OOC schedule, in my "opinion" I think the.......
Pac 10 has roughly 18 tough OOC opponent competition!!!!
SEC has 8 tough OOC opponent competition.

I think I was very fair in determining tough competition and IMO there are no more than 10 tough OOC games for SEC and there are no less than 15 tough OOC games for the Pac 10. You also "must" factor in away/home games. I strongly feel the Pac 10 is playing 10 tougher OOC opponents than the SEC and the Pac 10 is a 10 team conference while the SEC is a 12 team conference!!!!

Don't believe my numbers or opinion? Take a look for yourself but be prepared to laugh at the SEC OOC competition! I warned ya! :lol2 :lol2 :lol2

*Bold are games I "think" will be "very" hard in terms of OOC play

Pac 10 OOC Opponents

Northern Arizona
Utah
Wisconsin
UTEP
Iowa
New Mexico State
Indiana
Idaho
New Mexico
San Jose State
BYU
Oklahoma State
Colorado
San Diego State
Colorado State
Fresno State
San Jose State
at Air Force
at Northwestern
at Oklahoma
at Southern Miss
at Boise State (very tough environment and blue carpet)
at Notre Dame
at LSU
at Illinois
at Virginia Tech (yes it is virtually home game for V-Tech. Take a look in the stands and tell me it will be neutral site! :lol2)
at BYU
at Notre Dame
at Idaho
at New Mexico

SEC OOC Opponents :142lmao:

Utah State
Western Carolina
Southern Miss
New Mexico State
Texas
Louisiana Monroe
The Citadel
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tenn. St.
Eastern Michigan
Georgia Southern
Marshall
Indiana
Ohio
Oregon State
Arkansas State
Memphis
Arkansas State
Tulane
Maine
UAB
UNLV
Louisiana Tech
Rutgers
Eastern Kentucky
at Louisiana Monroe
at Florida State
at Louisville
at Wyoming
at Navy

Ok, now that I am done beating my chest about OOC opponents between the Pac 10 and SEC I know that some ignorant poster will reply. "SEC does not have to schedule tough OOC opponents because conference play is so tough." I think SEC conference has some elite teams and that is where conference play is "tough" but SEC sure has their bottom dwellers. Last year Kentucky, Miss. St. and Vandy all won 1 conference game all year and that was against each other. PATHETIC!!!!!!

In addition, if the SEC conference play was so tough, how come "only" 1 SEC team has had a top 15 SOS through the years 1990-1999 and 2000-2003???? (#15 was highest for SEC (FLORIDA) and #1 was the highest for a Pac 10 school (USC).

If conference play is so tough, wouldn't more SEC teams have stronger SOS for combined years??? That SEC conference schedule is soooo tough! In those same years between 1990-1999 and 2000-2003 the Pac 10 has had 9 teams ranked in the top 15 in terms of SOS. That is 90% of the conference! If the Pac 10 conference schedule is so "weak" as some here might suggest, then how could 9 of the 10 teams in the Pac 10 play a SOS ranked in the top 15?????

I am not making this stuff up and I am not misleading anyone. It is all right here in front of you. You have the choice to accept it or choose to be ignorant.

I am not trying to debate that the Pac 10 is superior to the SEC. I do not think it is. This is just one piece in my arsenal that supports my opinion that the SEC is NOT superior to the Pac 10.

Decade Conference Rankings sorted in terms of SOS

1990-1999

2000-2003

Decade Team Rankings sorted in terms of SOS

1990-1999

2000-2003


*Remember when I am comparing conference strengths when I say the SEC is not superior to the Pac 10, I am NOT talking about the past history of college football. I am not talking about just last year (where SEC had good SOS). I am talking about recent history. That could be the years 2000-2003 or the last 5-10 years. NOT talking about the last 10+ years or just one specific year. I am talking about a collection of data! This post was not my sole argument about SEC vs Pac 10 debate of strength of conferences. This data is just an example (or sample) of data about the difference between OOC play between the Pac 10 and SEC. This thread is just about OOC play for the SEC and Pac 10 for the year 2004.