Pentecostal Christians

[WhatsHisNuts]

I have a friend whose son is big into the Pentecostal faith. She told me how they are kind of crazy in that some of the church elders "speak in tongues" when they feel touched by the divine. Her son has been studying hard so that he and his wife can be divinely inspired in the near future.

Something interesting I came across about the Pentecostal religion: The part about speaking in tongues comes from the Gospel of Mark. However, it wasn't part of the original scripture/gospel. It was added later by a scribe who was copying the Bible.

One of the problems with the Bible is that the Divinely inspired work is not what was originally written. Errors in copying the texts (intentional and unintentional) and poor translations of the "original" texts (intentional and unintentional) provide us with a Bible that is less than true.

Anyone here Pentecostal? Any thoughts?

The source I'm using is "Misquoting Jesus" by Bart D. Ehrman (p. 66).

 

[SixFive]

speaking in tongues was a gift of the Holy Spirit. However, there was also the gift of tongue interpretation which means whomever was speaking in tongues, there was somebody else who could interpret it. I don't believe this gift is still around, nor do I believe anybody now has the gift of prophecy. I do believe they were both present at the time of the new Church as aids to help spread the Gospel.

If I hear about somebody speaking in tongues, my first question is who is interpreting it.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

You are backing into my point: How do we know that speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit???? Because the Bible tells us so....but, since that part wasn't part of the original text (the "divinely inspired" work), doesn't that leave a lot of people stuck standing with their dicks in their hands?

 

[pirate fan]

I am not pentecostal, but Catholic. As language developes, words take on different meanings over the years and customs change also. If you read something today, how it was translated does play into it so that is why we have so many resources today to find the true meanings of what was trying to be conveyed to the people back then. There are hebrew and greek texts to refer back to if you are looking for exact wording. I haven't read the book you mentioned so I cannot comment on his thoughts or ideas, but there is a degree of truth, but not as much as some would have you believe. As far as talking in tongues, while I do believe it happens, I also don't believe this is something you can learn or earn a degree for, it is a gift of God and no human can obtain it by working hard or learning something. Only God deems who should receive any gift. Pentecostal faiths tend to take things more literal in the Bible. My personal opinion as to why they are so successful and growing is that they try to offer a black and white scenario rather than allowing for many grey areas in life. It is much easier to know yes and no rather than to debate a "it's ok if" situation which more of the mainstream faiths allow.

 

[smurphy]

If I see someone speaking in tongues, I shoot first and ask questions later. There's no way it's not demonic. I saw the Exorcist - you gotta kill the bitch before she projectile vomits pea soup all over you. Prayers should only be in English and Spanglish.

 

[The Judge]

The part about speaking in tongues comes from the Gospel of Mark. However, it wasn't part of the original scripture/gospel. It was added later by a scribe who was copying the Bible.

None of the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) were actually written by the men they are attributed to. All were penned decades after the events chronicled actually took place. In many cases, the actual scripture was written after the death of the supposed authors.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I've seen many that appear to be speaking in tongues on ESPN interviews

---anyone remembers oaklands defensive back(had sticky stuff on his hands)Hayes after superbowl years ago

 

[smurphy]

---anyone remembers oaklands defensive back(had sticky stuff on his hands)Hayes after superbowl years ago

Lester Hayes - he had a speech impediment (probably because he's black - right Dogs? ). I remember that interview after the Superbowl - the reporter should have been told before approaching him. Awesome defensive back.

 

[smurphy]

I've seen many that appear to be speaking in tongues on ESPN interviews )

Raymond has been on ESPN???!!!!

 

[The Sponge]

Im not talking about you guys but in my life time the biggest pieces of shit i have met have been people who pushed the religion button constantly. Had an aunt who lied thru her teeth and stole like none other but when it came down to it she went to church three times a week. We have a president who makes a piece of shit look inviting to eat, profess religion constantly and then you hear a senator question if a church door ever saw his back. You see all these wars and religion is right in the middle of them.
My big problem with religion is i think it is to give a person a conscience and built guilt into them (which isn't a bad reason). Unfortunately the people in power have a gene in them where guilt and a conscience are not a big part of there lives. When they use religion most people who get played the guilt card can't fathom that these snakes could be up to no good. Some people can see right thru it unfortunately the majority can't.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Smurph --I agree --reporter should have known better--for the record I seriously felt extremely sorry for Lester and yes was one of best defensive backs I ever saw also.
I don't believe he ever got entire word out if memory serves me--and the friggin reporter just kept the mike on him anway on what seemed like an eternity--as if it was almost intentional.

Was poor example on my part--I apologize.

 

[SixFive]

You are backing into my point: How do we know that speaking in tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit???? Because the Bible tells us so....but, since that part wasn't part of the original text (the "divinely inspired" work), doesn't that leave a lot of people stuck standing with their dicks in their hands?

you either believe the Bible was "God-breathed" or inspired by God, or you don't. There are several more references to speaking in tongues besides the on in Mark. The small passage you are talking about has been debated by scholars for hundreds of years, and really, in the grand scheme of things, is nothing to lose sleep over. It also contains nothing of doctrinal importance (ie speaking in tongues is not a salvation issue whether u believe in it or not).

Acts 2:1 to 21 The apostles and other followers were gathered in a house in Jerusalem when the Holy Spirit descended upon each of them. They began to speak with other tongues. Devout men from "every nation" assembled and were amazed. "Every man heard them speaking in his own language."

Acts 2:41: After the speaking in tongues during the Pentecost experience, 3,000 Christians were baptized.

Acts 10:44-47: Tongues appear again in Caesarea when Christianity is first taken to the Gentiles.

Acts 19:4-7: St. Paul is described as meeting about a dozen followers of John the Baptist in Ephesus. He baptized them in the name of Jesus. (Early Christian baptisms were apparently made only in Jesus' name, not in the names of the Trinity.) The Holy Spirit came upon them and they began to speak in tongues. Acts 10:44-48 and Acts 19:4-7 describe similar events.

and, the main passages that deal with gifts and mention tongues are as follows...

1 Corinthians 12:4-12: Paul explains how the Holy Spirit gives to each new believer a gift. This gift may be wisdom, knowledge, faith, ability to heal others, ability to perform miracles, prophecy, discernings of spirits, speaking in tongues, or interpretation of the words of a person speaking in tongues.

also 1 Corinthians 12:27-31[/SIZE]

 

[djv]

Is this same out fit that believes a Man can have two wives. Or A wife and a girl friend. If so I'm joining. But not if I cant understand what there saying.

 

[SixFive]

Is this same out fit that believes a Man can have two wives. Or A wife and a girl friend. If so I'm joining. But not if I cant understand what there saying.

no, totally different. Those are the mormons who believe in the 1800s "prophet" Joseph Smith and his visions.

Pentecostals are identifiable by the women usually. They don't cut there hair and usually wear it up in a bun. They also do not wear makeup or have pierced ears, and they always wear a dress that is cut below the knees (usually ankle length).

 

[djv]

You got me. I was kidding a little. But thought they were linked some what with Mormons.
There woman sound old fashion like Amish.

 

[SixFive]

You got me. I was kidding a little. But thought they were linked some what with Mormons.
There woman sound old fashion like Amish.

kinda, in that they look very plain. Pentecostals, however, have no problem using whatever kind of electronic device, automobile, etc. there is.

 

[djv]

Wow your up early to. Fire trucks blew bi my house at 4:30 and that was the end to a nice sleep. Happy New Year.

 

[THE KOD]

Its not just Pentecostals that speak in tongues.

In Georgia there are factions of baptists that still carry on the tradition of speaking in tongues.

the old drop and flop. Called that because while they are speaking in tongues they are usually rolling around the floor.

You wont see a pentecostal dancing , smoking,
cursing either.

I think smurph is a Pentacostal.

 

[smurphy]

I think smurph is a Pentacostal.

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Express last night.

I'm sorry, but no form of Christianity was ever intended to include a bunch of horrific demonic babble. God speaks English - I think that's globally accepted now. Anything different from that is wrong - speaking in tongues is of the devil.

 

[THE KOD]

God speaks English - I think that's globally accepted now.

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:scared

get behind me Saton !