Playoff question

[PittsburghKid]

I dont post much at all in anything other than soccer but laying here watching the Irish got me thinking so I went and checked

First let me start by saying, no I don?t think college playoff should be expanded (will just water it down more). Personally I don?t think we need a playoff at all. When the top 2 teams are favored by 2 touchdowns over teams 3-4 we know who the best teams are. What we do need, since we have 4 teams is to get the ?best? teams in not those with the best records. There?s a reason central Florida is not in and regardless if a team is undefeated if they are not in the top 4 let?s please let them go to the ?Mr Clean bowl? or something.

And just quickly scanning, who did the Irish beat this year? A Michigan team that beats up on non power teams, a mediocre Hokie team, mediocre Stanford team, mediocre usc team. A Syracuse team that lost to every good team they played, a bad Seminole team Vanderbilt? Wake forest? Ball state ? I mean outside Of pitt they had no competition! [emoji1440]*[emoji3601]

Looking at that ?body of work? as the committee likes to say, how did they determine this team to be a top 4 side?

Honest question for honest conversation. Does anyone disagree and think this Irish team fully deserved a top 4 ranking based on who they beat this year ?


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[PittsburghKid]

Forgot navy and northwestern to their schedule. Watch out now


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[lowell]

Sooners deserved to be number 3. Cannot believe I played Notre Dame plus 21 in a teaser. Going to follow your soccer plays tomorrow. Good call on Wolves today.

 

[Bombs]

Forgot navy and northwestern to their schedule. Watch out now


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With that line of thinking though, who did Clemson beat?

Both these teams beat the schedule in front of them. Not many teams run the table against Notre Dame's lineup. And you certainly can't accuse them of scheduling lightly - it is not their fault a lot of these programs were way down this year.

 

[PittsburghKid]

Solid points for sure. I guess my thinking was that some teams get bashed because looking back they beat no one and looking back ND fits in that category. But your point is well taken

I agree ND always schedules tough but if other teams get judged for their schedules they should as well, again it?s not their fault these games are schedules years in advance but again it?s still their schedule


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[Bombs]

I dont post much at all in anything other than soccer but laying here watching the Irish got me thinking so I went and checked

First let me start by saying, no I don?t think college playoff should be expanded (will just water it down more). Personally I don?t think we need a playoff at all. When the top 2 teams are favored by 2 touchdowns over teams 3-4 we know who the best teams are. What we do need, since we have 4 teams is to get the ?best? teams in not those with the best records. There?s a reason central Florida is not in and regardless if a team is undefeated if they are not in the top 4 let?s please let them go to the ?Mr Clean bowl? or something.

And just quickly scanning, who did the Irish beat this year? A Michigan team that beats up on non power teams, a mediocre Hokie team, mediocre Stanford team, mediocre usc team. A Syracuse team that lost to every good team they played, a bad Seminole team Vanderbilt? Wake forest? Ball state ? I mean outside Of pitt they had no competition! [emoji1440]*[emoji3601]

Looking at that ?body of work? as the committee likes to say, how did they determine this team to be a top 4 side?

Honest question for honest conversation. Does anyone disagree and think this Irish team fully deserved a top 4 ranking based on who they beat this year ?


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Also, if you are looking for the "best" teams, why are we even playing the regular season. No matter what happens in any game, Bama is one of the best teams based on talent alone. The games matter. It matters what your results were.

If Vandy ran the table shouldn't they get in? It would be tons of upsets and they still wouldn't be one of the "best" teams as it would be impossible to repeat, but they would deserve it, right?

 

[Bombs]

Solid points for sure. I guess my thinking was that some teams get bashed because looking back they beat no one and looking back ND fits in that category. But your point is well taken

I agree ND always schedules tough but if other teams get judged for their schedules they should as well, again it?s not their fault these games are schedules years in advance but again it?s still their schedule


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Notre Dame's schedule still wasn't easy. No cupcakes, plenty of decent opponents on there.

 

[PittsburghKid]

Playoff question

Also, if you are looking for the "best" teams, why are we even playing the regular season. No matter what happens in any game, Bama is one of the best teams based on talent alone. The games matter. It matters what your results were.

If Vandy ran the table shouldn't they get in? It would be tons of upsets and they still wouldn't be one of the "best" teams as it would be impossible to repeat, but they would deserve it, right?

Why wouldn?t vandy get in I?d they ran the table? They would of beat 4 top 20 teams in doing so ? I?m confused by that statement

They would of had to beat Georgia , Florida, Kentucky, and ND


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[fla]

If we can agree that the NCAA basketball tourney is the perfect sporting event, surely we can have enough playoff spots to cover the five major conferences. OK, Washington would be in, but so would Ohio State, UCF and Georgia. Play 11 games again, avoid the directional school or MAC/MWC game always on the schedule (see Florida) and have Championship Week mean something.

Top 8

Bama
Clemson
Notre Dame
OU
Georgia
Ohio State
Washington
UCF

Also, make Bowl eligibility based on a 6-5 record, which an 11 game schedule would allow for.

:0008


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[IX_Bender]

the best team Clemson beat this year going into the playoff game would have been A+M


no, we don't need to expand it.

with the current 4 team format , they got it right, but if you think ND or OKLA is better than than UGA you don't watch enough football IMO.

 

[PittsburghKid]

If we can agree that the NCAA basketball tourney is the perfect sporting event, surely we can have enough playoff spots to cover the five major conferences. OK, Washington would be in, but so would Ohio State, UCF and Georgia. Play 11 games again, avoid the directional school or MAC/MWC game always on the schedule (see Florida) and have Championship Week mean something.

Top 8

Bama
Clemson
Notre Dame
OU
Georgia
Ohio State
Washington
UCF

Also, make Bowl eligibility based on a 6-5 record, which an 11 game schedule would allow for.

:0008


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I agree about 6-5 which is what it used to be .. as far as the ?perfect sporting event? i guess using those words it?s high up (drama entertainment etc) there but with playoffs in any sport, for the most part the best teams don?t always win. So adding more games for a chance of a fluke loss happening doesn?t.. i mean it was a great story but was Loyola Chicago the 3rd or 4th best team in college hoops last year ?


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[PittsburghKid]

Playoff question

Also, if you are looking for the "best" teams, why are we even playing the regular season. No matter what happens in any game, Bama is one of the best teams based on talent alone. The games matter. It matters what your results were.

If Vandy ran the table shouldn't they get in? It would be tons of upsets and they still wouldn't be one of the "best" teams as it would be impossible to repeat, but they would deserve it, right?

Why wouldn?t vandy get in I?d they ran the table? They would of beat 4 top 20 teams in doing so ? I?m confused by that statement

They would of had to beat Georgia , Florida, Kentucky, and ND


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Oh and they also would of had to beat Alabama . How would anyone argue against vandy being 13-0 with those wins? Just curious to you?re thinking. Thanks


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[PittsburghKid]

the best team Clemson beat this year going into the playoff game would have been A+M


no, we don't need to expand it.

with the current 4 team format , they got it right, but if you think ND or OKLA is better than than UGA you don't watch enough football IMO.

I agree i guess my reason for this conversation is if the point is to get the best teams how do we exclude teams who are better for those that are not? Wouldn?t that be getting it wrong? That?s just my curiosity for the convo. Some great points being made though..


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[fla]

I agree about 6-5 which is what it used to be .. as far as the ?perfect sporting event? i guess using those words it?s high up (drama entertainment etc) there but with playoffs in any sport, for the most part the best teams don?t always win. So adding more games for a chance of a fluke loss happening doesn?t.. i mean it was a great story but was Loyola Chicago the 3rd or 4th best team in college hoops last year ?


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The Tourney model was more based on letting conference champions in. The MAC champ should not be in, however if one is 11-0 and becomes the next UCF, why not be considered? Your
at large teams this year would be Georgia, Notre Dame and UCF.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

I wouldn't call the NCAA Basketball tournament the perfect sporting event. I love it and it sure is exciting but I think its far from the best and most fair way to crown a champion. I'd much prefer double elimination or "best of 3" series to crown a champ.

My issue w the college football playoff is that I think every team should be able to control their own destiny. I agree that Central Florida doesn't "deserve" to be in the playoff even though they are unbeaten...but its tough to have a system that has a team go unbeaten and can't make the playoffs.

If they won every game 100-0, would they then be in? Or not? That's another issue I have. I believe that a win is a win and a loss is a loss. I don't care if Alabama beat a team by 30 where Oklahoma only beat the same team by 7...all you should have to do is win the game.

120+ teams and only 4 make the playoffs...that's not a fair way to crown a champ. I can agree that ND prob didn't belong but I'd have been mad as hell if they didn't get in. What more can they do?

I've said it before, but I'd like to see 12 teams...6 conference winners (automatic bids) and 6 at-large...I could live w 8 teams though. I'd also like to have all playoff games played at the higher seed's home until the title game. That would give an advantage to the higher seeds. If it was 12 teams, then the top 4 seeds would earn a bye to the 2nd Round.

 

[PittsburghKid]

The Tourney model was more based on letting conference champions in. The MAC champ should not be in, however if one is 11-0 and becomes the next UCF, why not be considered? Your
at large teams this year would be Georgia, Notre Dame and UCF.

Didn?t western Michigan do this and then get beat by whisky? Off top of my head i could be wrong... I?m obviously on my own and even with my friends I am as well. I?m just not an advocate of expanding playoffs help determine the best team..


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[Smitty]

it's a great question, and one without a "correct" answer. no matter what system you put in, some years it will work great and other years it won't.

personally, i've said ever since they instituted the new system, that they need to go to 8 teams. no more, no less. of course #9 and #10 will bitch about getting left out, but those teams probably don't have a legit shot at winning the championship. however #5 and #6 often do (eventually alabama will stop dominating everyone).

anyway, that means you include the conference champs from the "power 5" and 3 at-large teams.

the playoff is going to suck this year, because the only team with a legit chance to beat alabama got left out. i understand the argument for not including georgia (they had their chance and they blew it like a $5 whore), but they were clearly the 2nd best team in the country this year. and, really, the only team that could match up with the crimson tide.

but to continue down this rabbit hole... how do you determine the at-large teams? and the seeding? strictly by the vegas power numbers? they'd never do that, but it probably makes the most sense. the committee has proven time and again they are not up to the task.

to td jesus' point, i agree that at least the first round should be a home game for the higher seeds. but maybe keep the semis and nc game at the current bowl games. if they lose their meal tickets, there may be an uprising.

oh, and i agree with fla... get back to an 11-game schedule. shit, some of these teams are playing 13, 14, even 15 games.

thank you, that is all. *steps down from his soapbox*

 

[OrlandoBronco]

Vegas would do a better job in picking top 4 than the committee. Since zvegas knows which teams covered against who.

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[Four Corners]

I dont post much at all in anything other than soccer but laying here watching the Irish got me thinking so I went and checked

First let me start by saying, no I don?t think college playoff should be expanded (will just water it down more). Personally I don?t think we need a playoff at all. When the top 2 teams are favored by 2 touchdowns over teams 3-4 we know who the best teams are. What we do need, since we have 4 teams is to get the ?best? teams in not those with the best records. There?s a reason central Florida is not in and regardless if a team is undefeated if they are not in the top 4 let?s please let them go to the ?Mr Clean bowl? or something.

And just quickly scanning, who did the Irish beat this year? A Michigan team that beats up on non power teams, a mediocre Hokie team, mediocre Stanford team, mediocre usc team. A Syracuse team that lost to every good team they played, a bad Seminole team Vanderbilt? Wake forest? Ball state ? I mean outside Of pitt they had no competition! [emoji1440]*[emoji3601]

Looking at that ?body of work? as the committee likes to say, how did they determine this team to be a top 4 side?

Honest question for honest conversation. Does anyone disagree and think this Irish team fully deserved a top 4 ranking based on who they beat this year ?


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Yea, the Irish had the benefit of not having to play in a conference championship game. Ga had to play Ala. and ND got to sit home. Fair? Horse shit! Ga would be prohibited favorites over ND and OU

 

[PittsburghKid]

Vegas would do a better job in picking top 4 than the committee. Since zvegas knows which teams covered against who.

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Oh without a doubt. Also they should pick the at large teams for hoops.. would be wayyyyy more accurate,, again in my opinion


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