Poll: Are you for or against healthcare reform?

Poll: Are you for or against healthcare reform?

  • For

    Votes: 22 78.6%
  • Against

    Votes: 6 21.4%

  • Total voters
    28

Lumi

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Ed,

Just asking a question, wouldn't the lawyers, (some) doctors and insurance pukes be in collusion setting these astronomical buttfucking rates?
 

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Looks like the poll is sitting at 17-3 right now, which although a little one-sided, probably reflects a more public view than not. I think most people realize some reform is necessary, and some controls and focus on why our costs (or the costs to your employers, for those who are "happy" with their current coverage) are going up so fast.

Wayne, I note your ongoing focus on tort reform, and see that you failed to comment in my thread on medical malpractice companies who are raking in profits. These profits of course coming off the backs of doctors, who are subsequently passing these costs on to the citizens. From my understanding, a majority of states have already enacted forms of tort reform, but I don't remember hearing or reading much reform on insurance companies... which leads me to posting this here again, on point, and to allow you to address if you like:

Medical Malpractice Insurers? Profits Higher Than Nearly All Fortune 500 Companies

By DAPHNE EVIATAR 10/6/09 11:57 AM

The American Association for Justice ? the trial lawyers? lobby group ? has just released an astounding statistic: medical malpractice insurance companies? average profits are higher than those of 99 percent of Fortune 500 companies.

As the nation remains mired in a debate over health care reform and how to keep down the costs of expanding coverage, AAJ is trying to point out that Republicans claims that medical malpractice lawsuits are one of the big cost drivers is completely misleading. In fact, though malpractice claims and so-called ?defensive medicine? does account for a small percentage of unnecessary costs, medical errors and the astronomical profits of malpractice insurers appear to be a bigger part of the problem.

AAJ?s report released today finds that the average profit of medical malpractice insurance companies is higher than 99 percent of all Fortune 500 companies and 35 times higher than the Fortune 500 average for the same time period; and malpractice insurers have seen their profit margins range from 5.9 percent to 74.8 percent, with an average of 31.2 percent. The report also finds that malpractice insurers have publicly overestimated their losses and underestimated their profits in an attempt to suggest the insurance business and medical practice in general faces a crisis that must be resolved by so-called ?tort reform? ? i.e., making it harder for patients to sue and to collect damages for their injuries.

?Insurance companies are gouging doctors on their premiums to mislead lawmakers,? said American Association for Justice President Anthony Tarricone, managing partner at Kreindler & Kreindler LLP, in a statement released with the report. ?And today, injured patients are often left with no avenue to pursue justice, while health care costs continue to skyrocket.?

While I can't speak for others--I persionally haven't answered because I haven't a clue what bill is or will be--

So would appear to me
A: people generalized it as reform of healthcare in general--which would be hard to be against if it meant weeding out waste
or B: People that answered were referring to Obamacare--if thats the case we have people making opinion on product we do not even know specifics on yet. :shrug:
 
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80% for, 20% against. That's just about right. It's only 20% who follow the Rush/Beck/Hannity* loudmouth cowards.

The Republican base - 20%. Thinking Americans - 80%.

That's really hilarious - those 20% morons think they're important. Come election time they'll be forecasting great gains, just like the last two elections, and they'll get their asses handed to them again. Idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing - Shakespeare knew them well.

*Say 20%ers, when is yo' boy Hannity going to make good on his promise to be waterboarded "for our brave troops"? Olberman's offer of $1000 per second still stands. Where's Hannity, the yellow coward? LMAO!
 

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I'm curious to see what the bill will be like that eventually makes it to a vote. Evidently there are five different bills, three in the house and two in the senate, maybe all have passed the committees, or some of them. Will be interesting to see what is in and what is out of what will be argued about.

Still hoping to hear comments from a couple people on earlier posts, but won't hold my breath.
 

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Ill:

I don't follow your logic. Why would a lawyers group circle the wagons with the docs and insurance companies? Seems to me, we (lawyers) were the whipping boys for the carriers. Docs, of course didn't mind, cause they have a natural dislike for lawyers (we are the ones that call these guys out for there mistakes). Alot of the docs I know are so f****** arrogant they think there respective shit doesn't stink.

But now that tort reform is in place, and it is in place, carriers and their mouthpieces at Fox are calling for more. but the facts don't bear this out.

American greed.

Eddie
 

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Ill:

I don't follow your logic. Why would a lawyers group circle the wagons with the docs and insurance companies? Seems to me, we (lawyers) were the whipping boys for the carriers. Docs, of course didn't mind, cause they have a natural dislike for lawyers (we are the ones that call these guys out for there mistakes). Alot of the docs I know are so f****** arrogant they think there respective shit doesn't stink.



But now that tort reform is in place, and it is in place, carriers and their mouthpieces at Fox are calling for more. but the facts don't bear this out.

American greed.

Eddie


The quacks and insurance aholes wouldn't be able to construct the gallactic buttfucking without the proper legalease, meant to be a statement and question, ( my hy head is killing me, migraine plus the laws are being scalped) so the fucking coyote has caught and hit me with the ACME bowling ball and 1000 lb weight in the head) :confused:
I hate Dr's, I hate lawyers, I hate politicians and shitbird pius asshole reporters and university professors, the list is longer........
 

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The quacks and insurance aholes wouldn't be able to construct the gallactic buttfucking without the proper legalease, meant to be a statement and question, ( my hy head is killing me, migraine plus the laws are being scalped) so the fucking coyote has caught and hit me with the ACME bowling ball and 1000 lb weight in the head) :confused:
I hate Dr's, I hate lawyers, I hate politicians and shitbird pius asshole reporters and university professors, the list is longer........

Hate , Hate , Hate .... You and I are true haters of all the shit that has destroyed this country... someday people like you will have to take the bull by the horns, for i'll be gone soon, I hope you get the job done.
I hope you feel better :SIB
 

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Hate , Hate , Hate .... You and I are true haters of all the shit that has destroyed this country... someday people like you will have to take the bull by the horns, for i'll be gone soon, I hope you get the job done.
I hope you feel better :SIB


where you goin ?
 

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Don't expect to live much longer, no reason to talk about it... we all are going to die someday .
 

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this poll must be fixed :shrug:
 

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I'm truly saddened to hear that HT. You're one of my favorite posters on this site.

Well , thanks old buddy..... we both see lots of things the same ... I've always posted my thoughts, never copy, never used cut and paste, never used government stats, just about everything that involves the government is corrupt , they are masters at cooking the books.
Common sense, knowing the difference between right and wrong and doing the right thing will take you a long way in life.
God will ask you for an accounting someday.I pray that I can pass the test. I hope you can also.
You do know that this is a political and religion forum, but we seldom mention the latter.
Good luck, Trench
 

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this poll must be fixed :shrug:
Only seen one fixed poll Jack--that was one we had to take 3 times on election until we got answer right :)

As I said before-It in the question How could anyone be against healthcare reform
--might ask who for goverment ran healthcare obamacare

The best case scenerio for obama care on polls was AP


<CITE class=vcard>By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar And Trevor Tompson, Associated Press Writers </CITE>? <ABBR class=timedate title=2009-10-07T09:49:02-0700>Wed Oct 7, 12:49 pm ET</ABBR>
<!-- end .byline -->WASHINGTON ? The fever has broken. The patient is out of intensive care. But if you're President Barack Obama, you can't stop pacing the waiting room. Health care overhaul is still in guarded condition.
The latest Associated Press-GfK poll has found that opposition to Obama's health care remake dropped dramatically in just a matter of weeks. Still, Americans remain divided over complex legislation that Democrats are advancing in Congress.
The public is split 40-40 on supporting or opposing the health care legislation, the poll found. An even split is welcome news for Democrats, a sharp improvement from September, when 49 percent of Americans said they opposed the congressional proposals and just 34 percent supported them.
 
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