Presidential Election 2012, my early thoughts

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O'bama and his believers are trying like mad to push this health care fluster cluck thru. The main oppostion are the Republicans, duh ! If O'bama doesn't get his Health Care Bill passed in the next 3 + years.

In comes Mitt Romney, who had Universal Care in Mass. and he will take a softer approach to getting this thru.
 

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I never said that, nor did I say that about O'bama

I don't like Romney for many reasons, but just because I don't like him or his policies doesn't stop me from thinking that this is plausible.

I hate the Patriots, yet I know they are a good bet.
 
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But moderate Republicans aren't the ones who could derail a Romney candidacy. His obstacle is the evangelical base--a voting bloc that now makes up 30 percent of the Republican electorate and that wields particular influence in primary states like South Carolina and Virginia. Just as it is hard to overestimate the importance of evangelicalism in the modern Republican Party, it is nearly impossible to overemphasize the problem evangelicals have with Mormonism. Evangelicals don't have the same vague anti-LDS prejudice that some Americans do. For them it's a doctrinal thing, based on very specific theological disputes that can't be overcome by personality or charm or even shared positions on social issues. Romney's journalistic boosters either don't understand these doctrinal issues or try to sidestep them. But ignoring them won't make them go away. To evangelicals, Mormonism isn't just another religion. It's a cult.

"A stronghold of Satan"

The first time I ever heard about Mormons was in fifth grade, sitting in a basement classroom of my Baptist church, watching a filmstrip about cults. Our Sunday school class was covering a special month-long unit on false religions; in the mail-order curriculum, Mormonism came somewhere between devil worshippers and Jim Jones. Although most of the particulars are lost to me now, one of the images remains in my mind: a cartoon of human figures floating in outer space (an apparent reference to the Mormon doctrine of "eternal progression") that appeared on the screen next to our pull-down map of Israel. Even at age 10, the take-away message was clear. Mormons were not like us, they were not Christian.

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Repubs better stick with Sarah Palin or Newt

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Mitt Romney is a mormon

all mormons are socialists.

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Kind of, wrong "ISM"

They are Collectivists and Racists, for more than the Klan and the WP. Romney still has to dance around that issue.

My Grandmother is from Idaho and so is my Ex Wife, the 2nd ex, and I am very familiar with the LDS' brainwashing, errr teachings.
 

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Obama wins in 12. He's despised by the same people who always despised him. Doubt he's lost any votes - especially considering whatever creep the GOP will put against him.
 

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Obama wins in 12. He's despised by the same people who always despised him. Doubt he's lost any votes - especially considering whatever creep the GOP will put against him.

What's available to GOP is exactly how you described it, Creeps.

I think a 3rd Party will be very strong this time, as long as Glenn Beck keeps his greasy dick skinners off of it and fuck it up for the people who have been long time legitimate supporters of the candidate, whomever he or she may be.
 

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lost any votes?

lost any votes?

how can you say with a straight face O hasn't lost any votes. his pop. has dropped like a rock. not saying he can't repeat. maybe we can hit 50 trillion def. by then. print that green shit boys. monopoly money will be worth more by the time he gets through
 

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how can you say with a straight face O hasn't lost any votes. his pop. has dropped like a rock. not saying he can't repeat. maybe we can hit 50 trillion def. by then. print that green shit boys. monopoly money will be worth more by the time he gets through
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there is so much time before 2012

so many good decisions that still need to be made

stay the course

all we need is a few good men

keep up the good work

keep the nose to the wheel

and everything will turn out ok in 2012

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there is so much time before 2012

so many good decisions that still need to be made

stay the course

all we need is a few good men

keep up the good work

keep the nose to the wheel

and everything will turn out ok in 2012

:00hour

Even the Liberal Dems can only tolerate so many Czars
 

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how can you say with a straight face O hasn't lost any votes. his pop. has dropped like a rock. not saying he can't repeat. maybe we can hit 50 trillion def. by then. print that green shit boys. monopoly money will be worth more by the time he gets through

Lots of time before 2012, but who do you think the GOP is gonna put up there against him?

I think Obama has made mistakes but I don't see any GOP candidate who is gonna really have a shot. Time will tell.
 

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next in line

next in line

there's a long way to go. just like the left couldn't stand most of bush's moves(alot deservedly so) any conservative can't stand O and his ideas for the future of this country. he is pure poison in my eyes. if the dems would move more to the middle and show me a good candidate i could stand behind him solidly. there's never been a better time for a 3rd party to emerge and have a serious shot at the office. we'll see where the chips fall.
 

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there's a long way to go. just like the left couldn't stand most of bush's moves(alot deservedly so) any conservative can't stand O and his ideas for the future of this country. he is pure poison in my eyes. if the dems would move more to the middle and show me a good candidate i could stand behind him solidly. there's never been a better time for a 3rd party to emerge and have a serious shot at the office. we'll see where the chips fall.

Move to the middle?? Are you kidding me? The Dems aren't liberals.
 

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Health care wastes up to $850 billion a year
Proposed reforms could be paid for by fixing inefficiencies, report claims
Health care videos
Senate health bill to include opt-out public option
Oct. 26: Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced Monday that the Senate?s health care reform bill will include a public option with an opt-out plan. The Nation?s Ari Melber and the Washington Times? Amanda Carpenter debate.
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updated 11:56 a.m. ET, Mon., Oct . 26, 2009
WASHINGTON - The U.S. health care system is just as wasteful as President Barack Obama says it is, and proposed reforms could be paid for by fixing some of the most obvious inefficiencies, preventing mistakes and fighting fraud, according to a Thomson Reuters report released on Monday.

The U.S. health care system wastes between $505 billion and $850 billion every year, the report from Robert Kelley, vice president of health care analytics at Thomson Reuters, found.

"America's health care system is indeed hemorrhaging billions of dollars, and the opportunities to slow the fiscal bleeding are substantial," the report reads.

"The bad news is that an estimated $700 billion is wasted annually. That's one-third of the nation's health care bill," Kelley said in a statement.

"The good news is that by attacking waste we can reduce health care costs without adversely affecting the quality of care or access to care."

One example ? a paper-based system that discourages sharing of medical records accounts for 6 percent of annual overspending.

"It is waste when caregivers duplicate tests because results recorded in a patient's record with one provider are not available to another or when medical staff provides inappropriate treatment because relevant history of previous treatment cannot be accessed," the report reads.

Some other findings in the report from Thomson Reuters, the parent company of Reuters:

Unnecessary care such as the overuse of antibiotics and lab tests to protect against malpractice exposure makes up 37 percent of health care waste or $200 to $300 billion a year.
Fraud makes up 22 percent of health care waste, or up to $200 billion a year in fraudulent Medicare claims, kickbacks for referrals for unnecessary services and other scams.
Administrative inefficiency and redundant paperwork account for 18 percent of health care waste.
Medical mistakes account for $50 billion to $100 billion in unnecessary spending each year, or 11 percent of the total.
Preventable conditions such as uncontrolled diabetes cost $30 billion to $50 billion a year.
"The average U.S. hospital spends one-quarter of its budget on billing and administration, nearly twice the average in Canada," reads the report, citing dozens of other research papers.

"American physicians spend nearly eight hours per week on paperwork and employ 1.66 clerical workers per doctor, far more than in Canada," it says, quoting a 2003 New England Journal of Medicine paper by Harvard University researcher Dr. Steffie Woolhandler.

Yet primary care doctors are lacking, forcing wasteful use of emergency rooms, for instance, the report reads.

All this could help explain why Americans spend more per capita and the highest percentage of GDP on health care than any other OECD country, yet has an unhealthier population with more diabetes, obesity and heart disease and higher rates of neonatal deaths than other developed nations.

Democratic Senator Charles Schumer said on Sunday that Senate Democratic leaders are close to securing enough votes to pass legislation to start reform of the country's $2.5 trillion health care system.
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anyone that can read that and not be pissed is not a real American.

wtf

nobody has cared about this fraud for so long because of all the pockets getting lined with gold.

Change we can believe in

GO PUBLIC OPTION !
 

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nobody has cared about this fraud for so long because of all the pockets getting lined with gold.



GO PUBLIC OPTION !

There's the truth. Max Baucus has pocketed $3 million from health ins cos.

When you do it for money, you're a whore.

For $3 million, Max will take it up the ass, and shove it up yours too.
 

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Move to the middle?? Are you kidding me? The Dems aren't liberals.
Exactly. If Republicans could get past their visceral hatred of Obama, they'd see that he's governing from the middle. Progressives have MUCH more to be dissatisfied with Obama about than those on the right do. He's perpetuating the Bush/Cheney wars, the "too big to fail" myth of Wall Street, he sold us out on Single-Payer healthcare and may not even deliver a Public Option, he upheld FISA, backed off his promise to close Gitmo... the list goes on an on.

Meanwhile the Republican base is sitting around coffee shops talking about birth certificates, imaginary redistribution of wealth and preventing the socialist government from killing grandparents.

Truth is stranger than fiction.
 

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Newt Gingrich on his conversion to Catholicism
5:35 pm April 5, 2009, by Jim Galloway

Congressional Quarterly has posted a transcript of ?Fox News Sunday,? including this exchange between Chris Wallace and Newt Gingrich about the former House speaker?s conversion to Catholicism:

WALLACE: Mr. Gingrich, you have been a Baptist most of your life, and last Sunday you converted to Catholicism. Why, sir?

GINGRICH: I?m not talking about this much publicly, but let me just say that I found over the course of the last decade, attending the basilica, meeting with Monsignor Rossi, reading the literature, that there was a peace in my soul and a sense of well being in the Catholic Church, and I found the mass of conversion last Sunday one of the most powerful moments of my life.

WALLACE: You have ? it?s no secret ? been married and divorced twice. Will you be able to participate fully in communion and all the other rites of the Catholic Church?

GINGRICH: Yes, we have done everything within the law of the church, following all of the rules of the church over the last 10 years. And it?s been a process. It?s been a very long process and something which was deeply affected, in part, by Pope Benedict XVI?s visit and the opportunity I had to sit in ? as you know, my wife, Calista, sings at the basilica every Sunday, and I was allowed as a spouse to be there as part of the vespers program when the pope came. It?s been a long process.

WALLACE: And if I might ask, just briefly, what is it about the pope?s visit that led to this?

GINGRICH: I really believe, first of all, seeing the joy in his eyes, listening to his message, and I really believe that his basic statement, Christ our hope, is right. And I think much of what?s wrong with our country and with the western world is a function of looking inside ourselves, not just looking at money or looking at our wallets.

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what a guy that Newt

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