schiavo case...

[gardenweasel]

the really sad thing in this,legally,is that this pr-ck ceased,for all intents and purposes,being this woman`s husband years ago......

he may have a paper....but that didn`t stop him from starting another family....

the fact that the courts allow this scumbag to remain the woman`s guardian says volumes about our courts....

now you hear about which party`s president appointed the judge that is hearing the appeal...wtf should that have to do with this?..

everything...because,imo,the democrats are still smarting from 2 presidential losses....and are stepping in here,as they always do,to block what they perceive as a republican initiative...

and that burns my ass a bit...

i`m thankful that sciavone doesn`t live in baltimore.....i`d like to meet this sucker personally...

wasn`t the settlement meant for the wife`s care and rehab?....

that`s the krux of the matter...but because of politics,the media isn`t saying squat about this lowlife ........

no liberal media...yeah...

 

[StevieD]

I think we have gotten off the problem. It should not matter if the husband is a cad or a saint. It should not matter what anyones motives could be. What needs to be done is what is best for the patient. I don't think the liberal or the conservative media know that. I think only the doctorsa know that and it is a human outrage that this has been turned into a political football.

 

[gardenweasel]

agree with your political observations,stevie....

i diasagree that the motivation of the 2 parties isn`t the issue...it`s the reason we are sitting here discussing this situation...

if this man...who obviously could give a rat`s ass about his "wife" gave up guardianship to the parents,i believe that he`s afraid that it might open the door to potential litigation as to the disposition of what`s left of the se

i believe this is the crux of the matter

and the fact that because this yo-yo has a piece of paper,florida law gives him guardianship...regardless of the fact that he`s no longer her husband...literally......

she`s never had a cat scan...i understand she has some implants that would have to be removed,to accomplish this....it could be done...

but the husband hasn`t even allowed her to have a pet scan,either....

bottom line...she`s gonna die of dehydration....and this p-ick of a "husband" and the courts get a pass....

maybe i`m wrong...but i`d like to hear a little more background on the situation and the husband...

but,the media is keeping their legs closed on this one....

 

[kosar]

everything...because,imo,the democrats are still smarting from 2 presidential losses....and are stepping in here,as they always do,to block what they perceive as a republican initiative...

and that burns my ass a bit...

Please. Since everything has become even more front and center nationally in the last few days, maybe you would draw this conclusion because all of a sudden it's become somewhat of a partisan issue.

For the last 13 years, 19 different judges, mostly (12) regarded as conservative have ordered her to have her tube removed.

It's the Federal(IE Delay about to finally have to answer for his corruption, but got a convenient, slick diversion) Republican Congress trying to overirde the Florida Congress.

Once again, everything is topsy-turvy with this admin. Huge spenders, eroding states rights. Other than the war-mongering and religious fanatism, is this admin actually Republican?

I'm sorry that politics got thrown into this thread as it really shouldn't. Come on, GW.

If you want to get technical, the 'initiative' was Republican, or at least right leaning to remove her tube at least 12 times. The other 7 times were left leaning judges.

I don't agree with leaving her tube out, but goddamn man, this is far from some Democratic wish to starve this lady and it never was. Far from it.

So hopefully, they'll put the tube back in and we'll go from here. Nobody deserves that.

 

[djv]

There have been two Docs for the Mom and Dad, Two for the Husband. And a fifth one appointed to her. That doc was assigned by the court many years back. Strange thing is all 5 gave same report. All of this taking place mid late 90's. After it was understood there was no hope. Nine different judges including the Florida Supreme court have heard this case. Why are we still dealing with it. And why is the Federal government getting in to the state of Florida's business. When the Supreme court of the land said we have nothing to do with this case. They at least understand the Constitution. Our congress with there show boating don't. And a heart specialist looking at a tape does not either Senator Frist. Or is it Frisk you.

 

[Englishman]

I'm not at all comfortable with Congress geting involved here, big States Rights guy, but I'm very puzzled as to why the guy doesn't let the parents care for her if they want to, divorce her and get on with his life.

What could possibly be a reasonable argument against that? It seems like a reasonable middle ground and this poor woman gets the chance she deserves.

Also, it's a little bit of a false analogy, but it is ironic that death row inmates get federal reviews and 20 years, and this poor lady doesn't.

The husband should do the decent thing and hand her over to her parents.

 

[AR182]

gw quote:"he may have a paper....but that didn`t stop him from starting another family...."


are you saying that he has started another family while his wife is in this state ?

if so then the creep should have been up front about his relationship with terry & file for divorce.

imo, him starting this new family should play an important part in this matter.the parents should be terry's spokespeople.

 

[ferdville]

Death by starvation is not horrible contrary to what you all seem to think. In fact, it is considered one of the most pleasant ways to pass on. If you know any doctors or nurses that have seen this, ask them. They will tell you that it is a rather peaceful way to go. We see it from the standpoint that we are hungry and in agony, but it isn't that way. I'm not sure that this has anything to do with this case, but it is accurate.

On the other hand,this case has been adjudicated up the ying yang. The federal government has no business butting into state matters. The so-called conservative republicans and libertarians that "claim" they want the government to stay out of our business are all being hypocrites. They should be ashamed of themselves and never call themselves state's rights supporters again. Nineteen judges have ruled on this matter and all have supported her husband. Are we going to change our plans now and if there is a decision we don't like, even though the state supreme court has ruled, do we just keep going until we get a verdict we like?

I think that Robert Blake killed Bonnie Lee. So if we don't like the court's ruling can we just move the case to the federal system hoping to get another decision?

By the way, who is picking up the tab for her health care? And since this new legislation concerns her only, what pressure is going to build for the next similar case? If it is ignored, people will decry the fact that the government only chose to get involved in the Schiavo case. Otherwise we are opening a Pandora's Box of the greatest magnitude.

 

[gardenweasel]

kosar...actually,i`m finding out that most dems are staying very far away from this.....there are several that have opened their yaps...kennedy and wexler...i hate them both anyway so i`m not surprised...shouldn`t have made that blanket statement...i think i let djv`s partisan rants get my goat...

ferdville.....you are entitled to your opinion....and i respect it......but,why don`t you stop eating and drinking for a few weeks and come back and report on the pleasentness of the experience....lord....

i`ve read that a conscious [cognitively disabled] person would feel it just as you or I would. ......they will go into seizures. ...their skin cracks, their tongue cracks, their lips crack........they may have nosebleeds because of the drying of the mucus membranes, and heaving and vomiting might ensue because of the drying out of the stomach lining. ...they feel the pangs of hunger and thirst.......imagine going one day without a glass of water.....death by dehydration takes ten to fourteen days.....from what i`ve read,it is an extremely agonizing death.....

not to mention federal marshalls standing at the bedside keeping the family from touching the woman....or wetting her lips....

i`m surprised that you aren`t as outaged at convicted murderers sitting on death row for 20 years at 80 grand a pop getting appeal after appeal....i believe that medicare is footing some of this woman`s bill..the parents are in the process of mortgaing their house as i understand it...and they are getting donations up the "ying yang"....she was actually kept in a non-profit institution for several years...

..while the taxpayers will be subsidizing every appeal for mark peterson...somehow,i find that a little more distasteful....

i understand that mr schiavo received $250,000 from a physician`s out of court settlement...then,he received another $350,000 and $750,000 was put in trust for her care....


my understanding is that this woman has never actually had her own representation in any of her hearings...while mr schiavo has had legal representation at every turn...

if everyone wants this woman to die,put her to sleep...don`t let he die from dehydration..as the family is kept away by law enforcement....

regardless of how "pleasent" the experience may be......

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I think the money in trust for her care ran out long ago--if what I heard last night was correct in that it was costing the tax payors $80,000/month to keep her alive. Could have been mis-quote but thats what was said. Now I wonder what parents ment that they said would support her care? Lots of contradictory stuff on this one--the more I hear the more I am confused.

 

[djv]

And he didn't run out and start another family for over 4 years I saw on fox this morning. This after he was told by 5 doc's no chance left for her. A sad thing for all. That film strip we keep seeing is over 4 years ago. Keep your paper work up to date.

 

[kosar]

Denied -now to the appeal.

Quick sidenote- Fred, how in the world could you think that starvation/dehydration is a 'peaceful' way to die?



Judge denies request to reinsert feeding tube
Terri Schiavo's parents to appeal to 11th Circuit CourtThe Associated Press
Updated: 9:50 a.m. ET March 22, 2005TAMPA, Fla.

- A federal judge on Tuesday refused to order the reinsertion of Terri Schiavo?s feeding tube, denying an emergency request from the brain-damaged woman?s parents.

U.S. District Judge James Whittemore said the 41-year-old woman?s parents had not established a ?substantial likelihood of success? at trial on the merits of their arguments.

Whittemore wrote that Terri Schiavo?s ?life and liberty interests? had been protected by Florida courts. Despite ?these difficult and time strained circumstances,? he wrote, ?this court is constrained to apply the law to the issues before it.?

Rex Sparklin, an attorney with the law firm representing Terri Schiavo?s parents, said lawyers were immediately appealing to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta to ?save Terri?s life.? That court was already considering an appeal on whether Terri Schiavo?s right to due process had been violated.

Reaction from the handful of protesters outside the woman?s hospice early Tuesday came quickly. ?It?s terrible. They?re going to talk and talk and she?s going to die,? said Miriam Zlotolow, 59, of Venice, Calif.

 

[kosar]

I think the money in trust for her care ran out long ago--if what I heard last night was correct in that it was costing the tax payors $80,000/month to keep her alive. Could have been mis-quote but thats what was said. Now I wonder what parents ment that they said would support her care? Lots of contradictory stuff on this one--the more I hear the more I am confused.

I think that there is about 700,000 dollars left from the settlement being used for her care. I haven't heard a monthly figure, but 80k/month sounds awfully high, especially for a hospice.

 

[gardenweasel]

80 k a year is what i read.....

it`s now a moot point...the woman will die....

the tax burden will be lifted from the shoulders of the great unwashed...

could we possibly deny food and water to this creature that just abducted and killed little jessica lunsford?.....

should be no appeals for a multiple sex offender that was left on the streets........of an uninformed community.....to prey on innocent children...

even without appeals,this scum will live for years on the dole....before giving him a much,much more humane death than poor terry schiavo will receive....

our justice system at work...pathetic...

he confessed.....how worried are you about the tax burden that represents,guys?

 

[StevieD]

Doesn't that law that Bush signed in Texas in 1999 kind of make him a flip flopper on this issue?

 

[kosar]

Doesn't that law that Bush signed in Texas in 1999 kind of make him a flip flopper on this issue?

Is that the one which allows health care providers to decide whether to pull the plug based on the patients ability to pay?

 

[StevieD]

It allows the providers to make the decision without consideration of the families wishes. Just this week, in Texas, they pulled the plug from an infant against the mothers wishes and he died in her arms.

 

[kosar]

Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of. Was it before or after 1999 that he found Jesus?

 

[StevieD]

Without a doubt it was on Clinton's watch!

 

[kosar]

Damn Clinton.