schiavo case...

[dr. freeze]

cost is a huge issue here

if we kept us all alive on respirators we would all pay 95% of the GNP to health care

baby in Houston was denied at 20 some odd other hospitals

it was also on
1 life support with a
2 terminal condition

could not breathe on its own

little bit of a difference than this case

 

[StevieD]

Not sure how it is so different Dr. Are there any doctors who have examed her saying she will regain her senses and come out of this state she is in?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Gentlemen:

Very interesting arguments from all sides. After reading all of your positions, the only absolute that I can take away from this thread is that I was unaware that Dr. Freeze is unablle to breathe.

Eddie

 

[AR182]

ferdville quote:"Death by starvation is not horrible contrary to what you all seem to think. In fact, it is considered one of the most pleasant ways to pass on."


as i previously mentioned i witnessed most of this first hand with my father-in-law and i can tell you that it wasn't pleasant to hear an 80 year old man crying because he wanted something to drink.

 

[dr. freeze]

Not sure how it is so different Dr. Are there any doctors who have examed her saying she will regain her senses and come out of this state she is in?

the case is different-- the kid in Texas had a fatal muscle disease...decisions to end people on life support are made all the time....it is a common grief reaction for some parents/spouses to not allow this to happen....eventually someone has to step in or as said we will all be paying 95% of the GNP to respirator costs

to be honest, at first i was totally disgusted at the whole movement to get involved in Shiavo's situation...however the more i learn about it -- whether it be the snake of a "husband", court rulings based on hearsay when the guy giving the hearsay clearly has secondary gain, etc. etc. i am now pulled over to the side of the parents

also some of the things going on which i had not been previously aware of during the past 15 years which were mysteriously never presented to me by my newspaper swayed my opinion

one thing that was well hidden by the local newsrag -- there are different stories from different doctors as well -- probably depends which doctor was hired by which lawyer as is usually the case....

here is a little secret: most doctors go in it for the $$...when many of them find their profession does not reimburse like they thought, and their neighbor at the country club invites them on their yacht, some get a bit envious, become bitter and wind up with the abiltiy to say anything in a court of law for $$

Hopefully Edward the insulter/slanderer/lieyer you pick your synonym will hire me so I can make some money someday

 

[kosar]

AR, man that would be terrible.

This thing is f*cking macabre. They just had a priest on the news who had just been in the room with Terri. He said that she's starting to tire but still alert and starting to lose color in her face. We're just watching her slowly die and we're going to get up to the minute reports on her demise I guess.

Maybe this three judge panel will reverse this thing. Christ.

 

[AR182]

kosar quote:" We're just watching her slowly die and we're going to get up to the minute reports on her demise I guess."

i used to keep the news on in my office all of the time........but not anymore.......i keep movies on instead.

they are getting me sick with this play by play of this woman dying.

imo, the news has sunken to an all time low....it's disgusting.

 

[AR182]

kosar,

it was the worst thing that i have witnessed in my life.

a complete feeling of helplessness.

 

[SixFive]

He said that she's starting to tire but still alert and starting to lose color in her face. We're just watching her slowly die and we're going to get up to the minute reports on her demise I guess.

imo, the news has sunken to an all time low....it's disgusting.

Agree with you both. Pathetic. Why don't we just bring the gladiators back, you know homeless bums or guys with Hiv, and have them hack each other in arenas. Heck, they could probably even hack on the old and infirm so we could watch them die quicker. Why wait for her to starve? Why not just stab her a few times on national tv so the American public can watch her bleed on the bed. :cursin:

 

[gardenweasel]

couldn`t agree more.....

i may be wrong on the legalese of this thing but it just seems beyond belief that this can happen in our country....

i am no fan of most things european....and i know that euthanasia is a tricky subject.....but there has to be a way to help a woman like this pass on that beats dehydrating her for 10 to 14 days...

again,this bastard coussey will get every legal appeal known to man....with full legal representation provided by the state...and then get rewarded with a quick, humane death.....

ms. schiavo has to linger...while those that love her are forced to sit by and aren`t allowed to lift a finger....

i honestly couldn`t think up a more insidious torture...think of being forced to watch someone you love dearly die a slow death...while you are restrained from helping....

your wife/mother/child.....

barbaric...

 

[dr. freeze]

more i hear about this case the more i wonder why there hasn't been a full scale murder investigation launched against Shiavo

 

[StevieD]

Why? The case has been heard by 21 different judges in 24 different court cases. Everytime they have sided with him.

 

[dr. freeze]

3 nurses testifed in court that this snake tried to give her lethal injections of insulin

they have had gag orders and only now are telling their tale

in podunk, USA, many times the lawyers, judges, and police are 1 and the same

The older I get, the less I trust these black robed lawyers

 

[dr. freeze]

also think it is completely inhumane to starve someone to death

horrible, absolutely horrible situation

 

[dr. freeze]

these crooks in black robes wont even let them wet her mouth

 

[StevieD]

I can't agree or disagree with you about the starvation death except to say that as I understand it no laws have been broken and in most states, even Texas, they will pull your feeding tube if that is the only thing keeping you alive, if your spouse and doctors agree. This grandstand play by Bush is a little hypocritical considering that he signed the Texas Law. And the other Bush has been watching this for how ever many years he has been in Florida, and he never moved to change the law.

 

[dr. freeze]

look your hatred for Bush is already known

the law in Texas has little to do with this case

i dont know how much clearer i need to spell things out for you but apparantly, your bitterness and resentment towards Bush clouds all forms of judgment

what we have here is a woman who is starving to death, a man who according to nurses has tried to kill her by injecting insulin lowering her glucose to near deathly levels, a man who by various accounts would rant and rave wondering when this "bitch woudl die" in the hospital...a case in which hospital lawyers have ordered anyone who has been involved with NOT to talk about...we have several nurses and caretakers who are infuriated with what is going on ....we have different diagnoses regarding this woman...this guy has ulterior motives and 4 family members all want this woman to live, a couple of which have openly called this guy a murderer because of what he has done in the hospital and what they suspect he did before this whole event started

things are strange....i definitely dont trust the hospital, i dont trust the lawyers, i dont trust the judges, and i definitely dont trust doctors in this case...too many ulterior motives could be at play

actually i trust the lawyers more than any of the above....some of them are actually truth seekers while the hospital, doctors and Shiavo all have somethings to hide

the FBI should be involved and shoudl have been involved a long time ago

for that reason alone this woman should be kept alive

for the reason alone that this woman's family members want her alive and are outraged and can not even give this woman a drop of water - this woman shoudl be kept alive

 

[AR182]

stevie, your obsession with bush is as funny as some of the forum poster's obsession with clinton.no matter what the issue, you guys never fail to bring in either bush or clinton to the discussion.



i just saw lanny davis, former clinton advisor, on oreilly & he was wondering why the husband is so vigorously fighting to have the tube pulled.he thinks that since the parents vowed to care for terri, the husband should step aside.


dr. freeze, i definitely agree with your last post.


a question......does anybody know if the schiavo's were living in florida when all this first happened ?

i don't think that the fbi should get involved...but do think that the state where this first happened should look into this case.

 

[tussking]

THIS SITUATION IS A JOKE ON THE GOVERMENT OF THE USA. IT IS NO WONDER OTHER COUNTRIES HATE US SO MUCH. JUDGE AFTER JUDGE HAVE HEARD THIS CASE AND AGREE. THEN YOU HAVE DR.FREEZE WHO THINKS HE HAS THE ANSWER. SHE IS IN NO WAY SUFFERING IN HER STARVATION. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN THAT SHE IS GONE. HE MOVEMENTS ARE STRICTLY BASED OFF THE BOTTOM PART OF THE BRAIN. THE UPPER LOBE IS GONE. INTERESTING HOW THE BUSH BROTHERS AND THIS PEICE OF SHIT TOM DELAY JUMPS ON THE BANDWAGON AND OF COURSE YOU HAVE MR.FETUS HIMSELF INVOLVED AS A SPOKESMAN FOR THE FAMILY : RANDALL TERRY DO A GOOGLE SEARCH ON THIS WASTE OF LIFE. LET THE POOR LADY DIE IN PEACE AND HAVE HER LAST WISH. NO FORGET THAT HER FATHER SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO TAKE HER OUT FOR GOD DMAN BREAKFAST WHEN THIS WAS ALL OVER AND SHE SMILED AND NODDED AT HIM. FOR ALL WHO THINKS THIS IS INHUMANE THEN DO NOT DO A LIVING WILL AND MAYBE YOU WILL ONE DAY SUFFER AND WASTE AWAY. HUMANITY IS AT THE SOUL OF THIS AND THE COURTS AGREE.

 

[dr. freeze]

lmao ok highroller

its "proven" huh...the "upper lobe" is gone?

humanity is letting her starve huh

brilliant piece of work