Settle it once and for all

Settle it once and for all

  • Yes the Boys team won the contest in 2004

    Votes: 12 19.7%
  • No the Boys team did not win the contest in 2004

    Votes: 49 80.3%

  • Total voters
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jhawksoon

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This is how it went down:

A three-way tie for first in the Las Vegas Hilton SuperContest was broken a week late, with 73-year-old Gary Garramone being declared the winner Tuesday much to his surprise.
On Friday, the Hilton announced its NFL handicapping contest ended in a tie between Garramone, Mark Hoover (a proxy for Let It Ride Sports) and the three-man team of Peter Kowalski, Ray Maternowski and Myron Wilson.

Each winner was awarded $131,520, an equal split of 64 percent of the total prize pool. There were a record 411 entrants in the $1,500 buy-in contest, which required entrants to pick five NFL sides every week.

The winners tied with a 52-32-1 record. But there was a tiebreaking rule that was overlooked. Garramone won the tiebreaker by posting a 12-3 record the last three weeks of the season.

"I've been in the contest almost every year, and I didn't know anything about the tiebreaker," said Garramone, who will be paid an additional $115,080 today by the Hilton.

The contest winner is due 40 percent of all entry fees, with second place earning 16 percent and third place earning 8 percent. The second- and third-place finishers were overpaid but have declined to refund any money.

Hilton sports book director Jay Kornegay said the mistake was discovered Sunday and the company made the decision to absorb the loss.

I think this answers one disagreement between the two of you.
 
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fatdaddycool

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This is how it went down:

A three-way tie for first in the Las Vegas Hilton SuperContest was broken a week late, with 73-year-old Gary Garramone being declared the winner Tuesday much to his surprise.
On Friday, the Hilton announced its NFL handicapping contest ended in a tie between Garramone, Mark Hoover (a proxy for Let It Ride Sports) and the three-man team of Peter Kowalski, Ray Maternowski and Myron Wilson.

Each winner was awarded $131,520, an equal split of 64 percent of the total prize pool. There were a record 411 entrants in the $1,500 buy-in contest, which required entrants to pick five NFL sides every week.

The winners tied with a 52-32-1 record. But there was a tiebreaking rule that was overlooked. Garramone won the tiebreaker by posting a 12-3 record the last three weeks of the season.

"I've been in the contest almost every year, and I didn't know anything about the tiebreaker," said Garramone, who will be paid an additional $115,080 today by the Hilton.

The contest winner is due 40 percent of all entry fees, with second place earning 16 percent and third place earning 8 percent. The second- and third-place finishers were overpaid but have declined to refund any money.

Hilton sports book director Jay Kornegay said the mistake was discovered Sunday and the company made the decision to absorb the loss.

Actually, this settles all of it. When I read it carefully I see it states that the SECOND AND THIRD PLACE FINISHERS WERE OVERPAID!! If there were a three way TIE for first there would not be a second or third place prize!!!

I win again Boys, where's my money you stiff.
 

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The boys as much as I want to support a fellow Detroiter, I can't

There was a tie first, then a tie breaker was called. The point of a tie breaker is to determine an overall winner. You didn't win the tie breaker, so you did not win.

I guess I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.:shrug: I dunno, just seems pretty cut and dry
 

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The boys as much as I want to support a fellow Detroiter, I can't

There was a tie first, then a tie breaker was called. The point of a tie breaker is to determine an overall winner. You didn't win the tie breaker, so you did not win.

I guess I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.:shrug: I dunno, just seems pretty cut and dry

Well I get that:

Depends on the official Hilton site and how the results are posted. I have emailed the Hilton to see what the official ruling is. Originally the official site showed 3 teams in first place with one team having an asterisk. I'll go along with what the Hilton says if they respond.
 

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The boys as much as I want to support a fellow Detroiter, I can't

There was a tie first, then a tie breaker was called. The point of a tie breaker is to determine an overall winner. You didn't win the tie breaker, so you did not win.

I guess I don't understand why this is such a hard concept to grasp.:shrug: I dunno, just seems pretty cut and dry

This link shows a 3 way tie????

http://www.twominutewarning.com/hilton2004.htm
 

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yup sounds like Garramone won but hey 2nd and 3rd is pretty good too imo,nothing to be ashamed of :0008

I agree with this. All this bullshitting about winning is taking away from the fact your team did VERY WELL that year.

I'd focus on that success and not try to say you won, when clearly you did not.
 

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Well I get that:

Depends on the official Hilton site and how the results are posted. I have emailed the Hilton to see what the official ruling is. Originally the official site showed 3 teams in first place with one team having an asterisk. I'll go along with what the Hilton says if they respond.

Come on man.... It doesn't depend on anything. If there was a second and third place team and a first place team that received more money for winning then you didn't win....period. It is that simple. They didn't discover it right away so the initial results announcing a tie are no longer valid. Thay had a tie breaker, what is so hard about this?



Boys, honestly, can I ask why it is so hard for you to admit this? In all honesty, I am not trying to bash you at this point but it has me curious. Why can't you admit it.

I accepted your terms of the bet also but you are going to welch anyway so why keep saying that I didn't. If I didn't I wouldn't have posted the poll.

Do you have dementia by any chance and I ask that with all seriousness?
 

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Come on man.... It doesn't depend on anything. If there was a second and third place team and a first place team that received more money for winning then you didn't win....period. It is that simple. They didn't discover it right away so the initial results announcing a tie are no longer valid. Thay had a tie breaker, what is so hard about this?



Boys, honestly, can I ask why it is so hard for you to admit this? In all honesty, I am not trying to bash you at this point but it has me curious. Why can't you admit it.

I accepted your terms of the bet also but you are going to welch anyway so why keep saying that I didn't. If I didn't I wouldn't have posted the poll.

Do you have dementia by any chance and I ask that with all seriousness?

Yawn.......show me where you accepted my wager, please show me, a poll isn't proof, a poll is for laughs. And as far as you not trying to bash me, huh, that's a laugh. You called me every name in the book, so you already bashed me........:violin:

ps.....please show me where you accepted my bet, I never saw it, did I miss it ??????

pss.....I have very little dementia that I know of....:lol:
 
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Yawn.......show me where you accepted my wager, please show me, a poll isn't proof, a poll is for laughs. And as far as you not trying to bash me, huh, that's a laugh. You called me every name in the book, so you already bashed me........:violin:

ps.....please show me where you accepted my bet, I never saw it, did I miss it ??????

pss.....I have very little dementia that I know of....:lol:

Are you kidding. There is no reason to show you proof of anything. There is proof everywhere that you have been lying for 8 years yet you literally ignore it. What's the sense? Even if the entire membership of this forum tells you you're wrong, you post something begging for votes. So if I didn't accept the wager why did you post that you needed help to win the wager?

Man suddenly you're worried about bashing. Have you read your comments? Besides, I clearly stated that I wasn't bashing at that time. Of course you only read and hear what you want to.
 

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Are you kidding. There is no reason to show you proof of anything. There is proof everywhere that you have been lying for 8 years yet you literally ignore it. What's the sense? Even if the entire membership of this forum tells you you're wrong, you post something begging for votes. So if I didn't accept the wager why did you post that you needed help to win the wager? Your poll had nothing to do with the wager, that was a joke.

Man suddenly you're worried about bashing. Have you read your comments? Besides, I clearly stated that I wasn't bashing at that time. Of course you only read and hear what you want to.

Bashing at the time.......what about all the names you called me, OMG I'm talking to a real *^#@* I wont say what I really think.

SHOW ME WHERE YOU ACCEPTED MY WAGER......YOU CANT, BECAUSE YOU NEVER DID. IT WAS MY WAGER, NOT YOURS, YOU KNEW YOU COULDN'T WIN.........YOU REALLY NEED TO READ IT.
 

fatdaddycool

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Bashing at the time.......what about all the names you called me, OMG I'm talking to a real *^#@* I wont say what I really think.

SHOW ME WHERE YOU ACCEPTED MY WAGER......YOU CANT, BECAUSE YOU NEVER DID. IT WAS MY WAGER, NOT YOURS, YOU KNEW YOU COULDN'T WIN.........YOU REALLY NEED TO READ IT.

Answer the question and I will show you. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question. Answer the question.

You are a fraud. Quit trying to avoid the question and answer it, otherwise you must be considered a fraud and a cheat and there shouldn't be any room for someone of that character in this forum but it isn't mine. If it were you would be gone. Lying about contest results is unacceptable.
 
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