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g.l. on your pursuit of employment...i`m not familiar with the website you posted....but,if it`s meant as self-promtional ...as a sort of on-line resume.....i think you`d be smart to post another picture of yourself....

that pic`s fine for a gambling website...but i don`t think you`re doing yourself a favor by using that picture in a resume-type application....

g.l.,man...hope things work out for you....and kudo`s for being a stand-up dad...:thumb:
 

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LOL! Good point, I have to change that, I put it up and was updating information and forgot to change pic... thanks!

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Ajoytoy, it should go straight to my profile... (same page on linked in) everything updated

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Hopefully I can offer up some info here to help.

COBRA - COBRA is simple. When you are laid off/fired/whatever... COBRA allows you to keep your health insurance coverage. While you were employed, odds are your employer was paying a significant portion of your premiums each month and you were paying just a small amount. When you opt in to COBRA coverage, you keep that same insurance program - and you must pay the FULL premium. Your employer does not contribute to it at all.
COBRA is good for 18 months after you are fired/laid off/whatever.

Whether you take cobra or not, is up to you. Yes there are cheaper options out there, be well informed about what you sign up for and the eligibility and coverage you will receive.

Job Boards-
Get your resume out on every job board you can. Put as much information on that resume as you can. Information like location, job level, salary, anything at all. Give the recruiter as much information as possible when they see that resume.
All the different job boards out there... get on them. Put your resume on them. Search thru them and apply to jobs. If you can identify jobs on websites.. take that info and go to linkedin/facebook and look for recruiters at that company and reach out to them as well.
Put as many keywords in your resume as you can. As a recruiter, I dont waste my time doing general searches on job boards. It's simply a waste. [We] have alerts set up on those job boards though. Every day I get an email from all the job boards telling me if someone put up a resume that contains whatever search words I have put in.
Saves me time of sifting thru all the stuff... and I see it nearly real time from when a new job seeker that meets my requirements puts up a resume.

LinkedIn - get on there. get on groups and discussion boards and read and ask and get your name out there.
Don't be stupid about it and spam everyone saying "durrrrr I need job." Make it smart and you will get responses.

Alumni groups - every school has them.. any organization you belong to likely has them. Use them!
Companies are still doling out good money for employee referrals. People want to help other people. Make it work for you.
Example: My company hired 5,000 people last year. 65% came from employee referrals.

Talking with recruiters - don't play dik dik games when it comes to disucssing thing.. espeicially salary. When I ask someone what they want/need to be making in terms of salary.. if they say "oh i am open" they're pretty much dead to me. Give them a 10-15k range to work with. Any decent recruiter isn't going to pass a resume on to his/her hiring managers and potentially waste everyone's time by bringing you in for an interview for a job that pays 65k/yr when even though you said "open" you want 85k.
Recruiters have their hands on multiple positions they need to fill and they all have unique requirements.. and they have multiple applicants. If you think by saying "open" the recruiter is going to run every spot past you... think again. Give them a range and they will be able to put real opportunities on your plate.

If anyone has questions, fire away. I'm fairly busy 18 hours a day, but I'm happy to help out and answers questions as I can relating to the job hunt and interviewing.

*before anyone asks - no, i don't have a job for you. if you are qualified to apply to the jobs I recruit for I have likely already found you.
 

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My 2 sense.

Anything you like to do as far as opening your own shop? I think relying on "getting a job" is not the ideal way to go these days. If there is anyway you can open your own business (not with a half baked idea) I think that is the way to go.

I've been self employed since 87 and today am very grateful I have only myself to depend upon for my income. I know not everyone can do this but, I think the US is heading towards a lot of mom and pop shops.

Good luck to you.

Eddie
 

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Things seem to have a way to work out for the best in the end. It may not feel like that now but I'm a strong believer in that. Hang in there man.

i agree Saint--my mom used to say to me at a very young age that nothing bad happens but what some good doesn't come from it
 

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marine-

Thanks for the post, as well as the link up on the linkedin website, much appreciate it!

I will utilize that tool and the networking via that way... I need to update the resume, I have it hastily done, but need to be more versed onwhat is happenng out there in terms of keywords etc., today to create that buzz.

Eddie- I would love to be self-employed, but the risk I may be adversed to more than anything, as well as getting financing and then trying to make a buck. From small pizza tyoe venue to a 24Hour fitness type model I would be interested in, and have the knowledge and marketing skills, but it is the capital needed and risk that may unfortunately keep me from those ideas. Anyone own a 24Hour fitness club to get an understanding of the numbers of clientel the run through and turnover? (I will google it!)

Appreciate the thoughts...

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Talking with recruiters - don't play dik dik games when it comes to disucssing thing.. espeicially salary. When I ask someone what they want/need to be making in terms of salary.. if they say "oh i am open" they're pretty much dead to me. Give them a 10-15k range to work with. Any decent recruiter isn't going to pass a resume on to his/her hiring managers and potentially waste everyone's time by bringing you in for an interview for a job that pays 65k/yr when even though you said "open" you want 85k.
Recruiters have their hands on multiple positions they need to fill and they all have unique requirements.. and they have multiple applicants. If you think by saying "open" the recruiter is going to run every spot past you... think again. Give them a range and they will be able to put real opportunities on your plate.

Be careful with talking with Recruiters. Keep in mind they don't give a damn about you, they care about the company that is hiring for the position and the placement that they want to make - which is usually a 15-20% commission. There are companies that hire recruiters to work on a fee, but unless they really, really like the candidate they won't just hire the recruiters candidate because they don't want to pay the fee. This is why recruiters have to match the job description and candidate so well. You are better off going to the company yourself and applying for the job you want than using a recruiter. Contacts within your own industry work best or if you are thinking of a change in career path go directly to the top and pursue the job with him/her and tell them why you'd be great for the job, etc. etc. etc.

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dogface, I am in the Twin Cities area, and went through your treadmill situation about 4 years ago. I was out of a job and needed something quickly (who doesn't?) in the area. Some good ideas here, a couple things I would touch on...

I treated my looking for work as a job in itself. Got up, got ready, sat down at the computer, and searched everything I could think of. Newspapers, Monster, Career-Builder, network sites. I made a master list of every job I sent a resume to. And I sent out a ton. E-mail and Websites have revolutionized this process.

For the jobs that I really wanted or thought would be great jobs, I also mailed a nice package to the employer. I even had the more expensive paper and envelopes for the most desired positions. I had formatted/personalized cover letters and resumes tailored to different job possibilities. Which also made it easier and quicker to do a new one - and I saved all the different versions under different title. Yes, it was a LOT of work, but I knew I was doing the best I could, and I had a running record of everything I was doing. I noted everything on the master list, dates, responses, follow-ups, etc.

A couple quick thoughts that I haven't seen mentioned here yet. Check out Craigslist every day. Every so often there was a possible job posted on there - and those seemed quick and more personal, and I usually got quick responses from the posters. Also, if you have a Facebook page, maybe do some searching and networking through that. If you don't, do it. It can't hurt, can it?

I will post a couple good sites that I used here locally that may be of interest to you. My experience is also in marketing, although more in the advertising and design end of it than in sales, although I still deal with sales support in many ways with my current employer. Please feel free to get my e-mail from Jack, and I'll do anything I can to help you, for what it's worth.

I still think this area is terrific for employment, connections, marketing and sales, so maybe something will turn up for you soon. If you treat the hunt seriously, at the very least you'll know you're doing what you can.

Seriously, the best of luck to you.
 

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And hey, if you ever just want to sit around a bitch a little over a beer, hollar at me. I work most days in Plymouth, and I'll buy you a beer about 4:30, as long as it's not a basketball game day for the boy. :toast:
 

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Kneifl, while what you said may be true in some situations it's not in all. 90% of the jobs that I'm recruiting for are only recruited for by me and that includes the employer themselves. I have employers that do absolutely nothing when they have an opening other than call me. Most of the time they don't have the time to do it on their own. Half the orders I get are paid up front by my clients(retained). So, if someone doesn't go thru me, they don't find out about the job.

I hear from people a lot that they think they won't get the job because I sent them there but it's just not true.
 

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Be careful with talking with Recruiters. Keep in mind they don't give a damn about you, they care about the company that is hiring for the position and the placement that they want to make - which is usually a 15-20% commission. There are companies that hire recruiters to work on a fee, but unless they really, really like the candidate they won't just hire the recruiters candidate because they don't want to pay the fee. This is why recruiters have to match the job description and candidate so well. You are better off going to the company yourself and applying for the job you want than using a recruiter. Contacts within your own industry work best or if you are thinking of a change in career path go directly to the top and pursue the job with him/her and tell them why you'd be great for the job, etc. etc. etc.

kneifl

huge fallacy.

will respond more in depth later.

huge fallacy
 

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Thanks for the words gents, and advice!

I will have to check out on the insurance for both of us, etc. I did not understand COBRA to be like that, good gosh!!!

I will explore options, I was only with the company a little over two years, so not much of a severance. Paid through Feb, then vacation added, and also they will cover the insurance until end of Feb. as well.

I am a 39 year old male that has a M.Ed, B.S. In Marketing Education.

I was doing sales in the Chemical Distribution industry, prior to that I was in Pharma: Women's Health, and Cardiovascular Medicine. I have also taught for 4 years on the HS level.

Jack- Feel free to give penguinfan my e-mail, as I will take any potential for help in this matter with the mass layoffs and the glut of people looking, it may be a little more difficult to seperate myself going forward, so now it will be a numbers game.

Thanks Gents!!


dogface

DF, this is what I do down in the Tx area. I know some of my competition up there in that area, as well as some of our mfg's. Feel free to get my email from Jack or IE and I can send out emails if you'd like.
 

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JPBlack- Thanks for the offer, I will take you up on that. If you hit the link on my linked in page, my e-mail addy is on there.

Chadman- Where you are in Plymouth, I am a little further West, we can certainly do that.


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Just went through the same thing. I got lucky and got called back. Some things that I found out during my search are as follows. Employers are taking thier time when it comes to interviewing and making decisions. Normally it will take a few weeks for them to start to schedule interviews. In the past is was a week after the ad and interviews would start. The interview process can take a long time. Several positions I interviewed for were in the fifth week of the interview process. Seemed excessive to me. As mentioned earlier keep a log of who you sent a resume to along with the date. You don't want to call to early as it will seem that you are desperate, but you will want to remember what the job description is. I told a couple of my co workers at the time this little piece of advise. If you are feeling sorry for yourself, the sooner you get over it the sooner you will be better prepared to find a job.

It will be frustrating because you are looking to start right away and in most cases that won't happen. I wish you luck and hope that something pops right away for you.

Sorry for the long post...

PS
I am not out of the woods with me losing my job again as I am in the housing industry.
 

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OK,
I'm gonna sit down and write this up because I think kniefl is a bit misinformed and I'd like to clarify the fallacy that is constantly perpetuated.

For reference,
I have spent time in multiple recruiting tracks, to include 3rd party agency, staffing, direct hires, corporate, and other stuff.

I am not presently a "3rd party recruiter"
I do not work on commission
I do not get paid directly based on how many people get hired that I find.

I will address using a 3rd party agency.

3rd party agencies are companies that work for other companies (called clients) to go out and find people for that client to hire.
The way it works - 3rd party agency will sniff around and sell their services to a client.

The client will give them the information/requirements about the type of person they want to hire.

3rd Party will go out and recruit/network to find those candidates.

3rd Party will send candidate to interview with the client.

If the client hires that individual, the 3rd party agency will receive a fee for their services. It is typically 15-25% of the candidates yearly salary. The company pays this money, it does not come from the candidate's pocket.

Now, here's the "rub". You, the job seeker, the candidate, are VERY important to that 3rd party recruiter. YOU are the product they are selling.
However, you are not going to be some pet to the recruiter. That recruiter wants to find you a job, because if they do - they get paid.
So you had better believe that a 3rd party recruiter is going to be busting his chops to find a spot for you somewhere. Unfortunately, many people seem to think that these recruiters are privvy to some huge bank of jobs and if that recruiter doesn't like you, they just will give it to someone else. That is not true. The most difficult part of a 3rd party recruiter is gaining the contract from a client to be able to send them candidates. That is where the bulk of their time is spent. If joe recruiter needs to constantly stroke your ego on the phone or in person and tell you what a great candidate you are.. that's time away from finding the actual jobs.
While I was doing 3rd party recruiting.. if a candidate came across as clingy or needy, or just plain wacky... eh eh.. cut the cord and move on. I needed to be spending my time elsewhere finding work for them.

From the company/client standpoint. They give business to 3rd party recruiters because they are understaffed to handle the needs, or the need is very niche, and they dont have a network in place to quickly find a candidate. It is cheaper to farm it out and pay 10k to have someone else find a person for me.
When companies give work to 3rd parties, it is because it is a HIGH need. The spot needs to be filled immediately. As in, every day that spot is not filled.. they are losing money as a company.

So when little johnny the candidate finally makes it in to interview.. many times the hiring manager doing the interviewing doesn't know, and likely doesn't care, where that candidate came from.
Very very very rarely will they not hire a qualified candidate just because they came from a 3rd party. As a hiring manager, would you lose an hour of your day to interview someone you had no intention of hiring?

Now, that being said... as a hiring manager.. if i tell a 3rd party recruiter to find me someone with x, y, and z and i will pay them xxx dollars... i damn well expect them to give me a candidate that can do x, y, and z.
If they send me a candidate with just x and z.. you think i am going to hire them and pay them for that? nope.
Imagine you walk into the BMW dealership to buy a new car.. you tell the salesman what you want and how much you will pay. He then delivers a car to your doorstep the next day.. except its a toyota yaris. you gonna take it and pay that BMW price?

Now as a 3rd party recruiter.. if i know my client wants x, y, and z... i sure as heck aint gonna put some donkey in front of them that doesn't have x, y, and z. that would be ridiculous. I'd ruin my reputation with that company by sending subpar candidates to them and wasting their time.


But Kniefl, you are right in a sense.. recruiters don't care about you if you are not the product they need. Most recruiters have their own niche or industry that they deal with. If you are not in that industry.. don't bark up that recruiters tree. He doesn't have opportunities for you, and won't waste the effort to go out and find some one-off job just for you. He's busy doing his job and making money like everyone else in business.
If you are hungry for a corn dog, do you go stand at Burger King and stomp your foot until they redo their menu to make you a corn dog?
No, you go to the corn dog guy down the street. Because he does that, that is what he is good at.

You need to know where you are applying to, and what you want to do. Many companies complete outsource the recruiting of certain skill sets. Many companies absolutely will not outsource anything.

But if you are a job seeker looking for work.. you need to be uncovering all the stones in the field. Bypassing 3rd parties limits your opportunities to get your name out there.. because everyone knows someone who knows someone. you'd be surprised at the contact chains that exist and how easy it is to pick up some new contacts talking to 3rd parties.

3rd party recruiters provide value to the candidate... namely because it costs you, the candidate, absolutely no dollars and about an hour of your time to sit down and talk with them and let you know what you are looking for.

As a job seeker I'd be a lot more worried about dealing with a company's own internal dirtbag recruiter than I would with a 3rd party guy.

That's a whole nother topic though.
 

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dogface, not to get specific here, but I work close to 169, between Rockford Road and Bass Lake Road. That should give you a good idea. I drive home about an hour and 20 minutes west, sometimes out 55 to Loretto and then the back road to Delano, sometimes one of the other back roads other than 55. Guessing you are somewhere out in that area.

Plenty of places to meet out that way, depending on how far west you are. Pretty much anywhere around 55 west of 494 is close to my way, and it's no big deal for me to head out Hwy. 12, either, although I hate the traffic.
 
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