Crossing fingers for you Dogface. My wife still is on the hunt. It's tough out there for sure.
Son of A....
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Crossing fingers for you Dogface. My wife still is on the hunt. It's tough out there for sure.
let us know dogface....some home health is OK, some is very tough....depends on reimbursements for the companies and how it rolls downhill to the sales force
Interview went well, small talk about compensation. I come from a failrly decent base, company car, insurance, gas, phone all paid by company, and then a small insurance pay for me and my son.
They hinted at something being around $10-15K less as their salary... company car, that stays at office. You must start and end each day in office etc. So some freedoms lost, which is a little telling to me. (big brother as a professional is not something I appreciate.)
I used linkedin to find someone is also in the company, and they had a number listed so I called them. They did not have anything positive to say about the company. So whooosh... I do not know what my apporach will be if offer comes. I know they are calling my references this morning...
I hate it when wrenches get thrown in, especially if money is not quite there. Don't want to panic, but can't stand no being employed.
dogface
They hinted at something being around $10-15K less as their salary... company car, that stays at office. You must start and end each day in office etc. So some freedoms lost, which is a little telling to me. (big brother as a professional is not something I appreciate.)
I used linkedin to find someone is also in the company, and they had a number listed so I called them. They did not have anything positive to say about the company. So whooosh... I do not know what my apporach will be if offer comes. I know they are calling my references this morning...
I hate it when wrenches get thrown in, especially if money is not quite there. Don't want to panic, but can't stand no being employed.
dogface
a bird in the hand is worth two in a bush
I would take it if offered.
Continue to job search , networking, sending out resumes.
hard to believe someone that worked there would not speak well of their own company.
something fishy with that one
I would take it if offered.
Continue to job search , networking, sending out resumes.
hard to believe someone that worked there would not speak well of their own company.
something fishy with that one
Best of luck, man. Sounds like even if it comes through you have a tough decision to make. Tough to turn down a job, but you can keep looking, of course, even with the job - especially if you have the freedom out and about most days to sneak in an interview.
Sucks with the company car big brother. Never heard of that one. I have had one for 25 years, been through 10 vehicles, 3 companies, and have to say my current (and all 3) company is very fair with cars/SUV's. And, we have positions we are filling and several added territories in some parts of the country. 
Hope it works out for you. Check our website and see if there is anything by you. Many different divisions. beckmancoulter.com
Hope it works out for you. Check our website and see if there is anything by you. Many different divisions. beckmancoulter.comSucks with the company car big brother. Never heard of that one. I have had one for 25 years, been through 10 vehicles, 3 companies, and have to say my current (and all 3) company is very fair with cars/SUV's. And, we have positions we are filling and several added territories in some parts of the country.
man you guys have quite a few jobs in Indy = Maybe we can hook Jack up
wineguy-
Thanks for the link, I saw nothing in MN. ANyone else got an in to Medical Device sales in MN.
Still holding on any potential decision as some of my references did not get a chance to speak with them. I am turned off by the whole thing, you get time and reflect back.... the interviews were way too easy. Turnover apparently high, longest tenured sales person in office is only two years... question is I am not sure I want to take a chance.
I am biased against a big brother attitude as well, you hire the right people, have a great company, shouldn't have any worries from an employee standpoint... I am self-directed, don't need to have a punch in by 8:00AM, and a opunch out at 5:00PM as an office setting. I was tld that yesterday as well...
For a professional job, that is funny!!! I am venting right now of course. LOL!!
dogface
Thanks for the link, I saw nothing in MN. ANyone else got an in to Medical Device sales in MN.
Still holding on any potential decision as some of my references did not get a chance to speak with them. I am turned off by the whole thing, you get time and reflect back.... the interviews were way too easy. Turnover apparently high, longest tenured sales person in office is only two years... question is I am not sure I want to take a chance.
I am biased against a big brother attitude as well, you hire the right people, have a great company, shouldn't have any worries from an employee standpoint... I am self-directed, don't need to have a punch in by 8:00AM, and a opunch out at 5:00PM as an office setting. I was tld that yesterday as well...
For a professional job, that is funny!!! I am venting right now of course. LOL!!
dogface
If I were in your position I would take the job and look for something while you're still getting paid.
I am sure he is qualified to do something....I'll call H.R. department and put in a good word for him
"His name is Woodson....Madjack Woodson....a great guy and I am sure he will have an impressive resume. Best attribute is his endearing ability to babysit thousands of gambling people through his keyboard"
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We are moving a lot of our operations and Cellular division to Indy from Miami so if you have friends there in Indy looking let them know.
Success in a job search is easy to deal with; a job offer feels good, validates us and allows us to move forward in life. We all want it and strive for it. Nevertheless, for most job seekers, our successes are infrequent. They're sandwiched between boatloads of indifference, rejection and apparent failure. If you've been hunting for a job very long, you know what I'm talking about. Job search is one big exercise in rejection until you win that job you've been pursuing.
So, what can you do when you get rejected?
Here are five survival tips for dealing with those vast and daunting oceans of rejection and failure that encircle the tiny islands of success that we all seek.
Put on your sales hat
Any successful commission-driven salesperson knows that success is a numbers game. Salespeople know that every rejection brings them just one step closer to success. With this attitude, you know that rejection leads to success, and you can put rejection into perspective. Just keep going. Count those rejections, and know that you're one step closer to success -- and a good job offer.
Know there is a positive end to this
Step back and observe your job-search process from a larger viewpoint. You may feel as if you're wandering in the desert and that you can't see the solution or find the right job, but know that your search is finite. You will eventually find employment that's right for you. Accept that you're in a process, and let yourself live with the questions. One day you will grow into the answers, and you will find the right job for you.
Be grateful
When you lose out on a job opportunity, it is because it wasn't the right job for you. You do not want to win a job that is wrong for you. I can think of at least four jobs that I was rejected from in my own past. I remember feeling dejected and depressed at the time because I thought each one was the "perfect opportunity" for me.
As so often happens, the irony of life plays itself out and I later realized that, for various reasons, none of those jobs would have worked for me. Because of events in the economy and my own life, I realized I would have failed in all of those jobs. The flip side: Less than two months later, I found and accepted an opportunity that allowed me huge career growth and financial reward beyond my expectations.
Try this: Set a goal and hold a vision of what you want. Then give the universe room to deliver the best job for you. Always set your intention with the words "or better." You can say, "I will win job X job or better." Admit that you don't really know which job is right for you. Know that the right job will come to you. This will alleviate some anxiety.
Activity over passivity
Do something every day to further your search. Positive action diminishes anxiety and other negative feelings. To prevail in today's competitive job-search process, it requires an iron will and determination that you will not be defeated. Remind yourself daily that you will prevail and succeed at this challenge.
If you're really serious about finding employment, become more proactive. Stretch yourself. Get out of your comfort zone and aggressively seek out the so-called "hidden job" market. It's been estimated that 70 to 80 percent of job hires come from sources other than Internet job postings or recruiters. These are the jobs that aren't listed, don't have an actual requirement or are otherwise "created" when the right person shows up -- this is the segment known informally as "inside referrals."
What's your game plan for tapping into this market? There are many approaches involving direct marketing, personal branding and networking. Whatever approach you choose, develop a concerted action-based game plan with the expectation that you're going to win. You'll feel more in control of your destiny when you move beyond searching the Internet postings for your next job opportunity. Job searching is tough enough. Don't isolate yourself behind a computer screen.
I don't need this job
As one HR director once told me, "We can smell blood five miles away." Lose the emotions of "desperation" and "defeat" in your interviews. Sure, one particular opportunity may look great walking in, but remember this: You may need many things in life but you don't need this job. Register this in your brain.
Also remember that the employer has a problem, not a job. Think of the interview as a problem-solving opportunity with this hiring manager. It allows you to focus on what the employer needs, not your needs. Now you're able to sell yourself in the many specific ways you can help solve their problem. That's all they really care about. Once done, you gain their attention, respect and desire to know more about you. You can't get there by walking in wounded and bloody with anxiety and desperation.
As a recruiter, Joe Turner has spent the past 15 years finding and placing top candidates in some of the best jobs of their careers. Author of "Job Search Secrets Unlocked" and "Paycheck 911," Turner has been interviewed on radio talk shows and offers free insider job search secrets at: http://www.jobchangesecrets.com.
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I thought this was a good article.
So, what can you do when you get rejected?
Here are five survival tips for dealing with those vast and daunting oceans of rejection and failure that encircle the tiny islands of success that we all seek.
Put on your sales hat
Any successful commission-driven salesperson knows that success is a numbers game. Salespeople know that every rejection brings them just one step closer to success. With this attitude, you know that rejection leads to success, and you can put rejection into perspective. Just keep going. Count those rejections, and know that you're one step closer to success -- and a good job offer.
Know there is a positive end to this
Step back and observe your job-search process from a larger viewpoint. You may feel as if you're wandering in the desert and that you can't see the solution or find the right job, but know that your search is finite. You will eventually find employment that's right for you. Accept that you're in a process, and let yourself live with the questions. One day you will grow into the answers, and you will find the right job for you.
Be grateful
When you lose out on a job opportunity, it is because it wasn't the right job for you. You do not want to win a job that is wrong for you. I can think of at least four jobs that I was rejected from in my own past. I remember feeling dejected and depressed at the time because I thought each one was the "perfect opportunity" for me.
As so often happens, the irony of life plays itself out and I later realized that, for various reasons, none of those jobs would have worked for me. Because of events in the economy and my own life, I realized I would have failed in all of those jobs. The flip side: Less than two months later, I found and accepted an opportunity that allowed me huge career growth and financial reward beyond my expectations.
Try this: Set a goal and hold a vision of what you want. Then give the universe room to deliver the best job for you. Always set your intention with the words "or better." You can say, "I will win job X job or better." Admit that you don't really know which job is right for you. Know that the right job will come to you. This will alleviate some anxiety.
Activity over passivity
Do something every day to further your search. Positive action diminishes anxiety and other negative feelings. To prevail in today's competitive job-search process, it requires an iron will and determination that you will not be defeated. Remind yourself daily that you will prevail and succeed at this challenge.
If you're really serious about finding employment, become more proactive. Stretch yourself. Get out of your comfort zone and aggressively seek out the so-called "hidden job" market. It's been estimated that 70 to 80 percent of job hires come from sources other than Internet job postings or recruiters. These are the jobs that aren't listed, don't have an actual requirement or are otherwise "created" when the right person shows up -- this is the segment known informally as "inside referrals."
What's your game plan for tapping into this market? There are many approaches involving direct marketing, personal branding and networking. Whatever approach you choose, develop a concerted action-based game plan with the expectation that you're going to win. You'll feel more in control of your destiny when you move beyond searching the Internet postings for your next job opportunity. Job searching is tough enough. Don't isolate yourself behind a computer screen.
I don't need this job
As one HR director once told me, "We can smell blood five miles away." Lose the emotions of "desperation" and "defeat" in your interviews. Sure, one particular opportunity may look great walking in, but remember this: You may need many things in life but you don't need this job. Register this in your brain.
Also remember that the employer has a problem, not a job. Think of the interview as a problem-solving opportunity with this hiring manager. It allows you to focus on what the employer needs, not your needs. Now you're able to sell yourself in the many specific ways you can help solve their problem. That's all they really care about. Once done, you gain their attention, respect and desire to know more about you. You can't get there by walking in wounded and bloody with anxiety and desperation.
As a recruiter, Joe Turner has spent the past 15 years finding and placing top candidates in some of the best jobs of their careers. Author of "Job Search Secrets Unlocked" and "Paycheck 911," Turner has been interviewed on radio talk shows and offers free insider job search secrets at: http://www.jobchangesecrets.com.
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I thought this was a good article.
Good point in bold, dogface. Be passively cocky. The company needs the problem solved also. Good article, Scottyboy
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