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DTB were talkng more about the speech. He didn't say much about anything when you look at it close. Last year all we heard over and over Bin Landen. Nothing zero this year. Were safer they say. We always have been safe. We have been attacked three time now in last 60 years. We handle what was needed. Were still not done in Iraq. These words collective group of countries that are assembled in Iraq. Now that was saying a lot. Actully most dont mean a rat ass except for the Britts. The only army GI's dieing over there are from the USA with afew Britts. So Trying to act like there this great group of counties over there BS.
Does Bush really think the American People are that stupid. I know many buy into that story but they dont read much.
Please dont call Dean my boy. You will find no place I ever took up side with him.
I have said al along. Bush will win. Unless he screws it up him self with his own mouth. Much like Dean just did. The only thing the republicans have to worry about is record turn out. What happen in Iowa Sunday got there attetion. If there is a record turn out in NH next week. The attack dogs will hit the street fast. A record turn out in the Fall would mean folks are sick of not finding work and the rich getting richer. then Bush would lose. It's the only way. I just hope he does not put us to far in the poor house his last 4 years. He already has a huge bill my kids and grandkids will have topay off.
Anyway his speech was at best long.
 

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DTB,

You have no clue what you are talking about. You have been snowed under by this administration. Just by the fact that you mention the Taliban, Afghanistan, and terrorists shows how scared this adminstration has made you.

If you think you are safer in Iraq than in "the projects", you are delusional. The "projects" are not dangerous unless you choose to be a gang member. Making a statement like that makes you a person who devotes countless hours of your life to following a subject without having the first clue how to differentiate propaganda from true information.

The bottom line is that four years ago things like "terrorism" and "National Security" were the furthest things from our minds. This administration has used things of that nature to instill fear in Americans and make Americans believe that we need protection from those things and that the people in power are the only ones who can give us that protection. It's the same strategy the mafia uses to extort "protection money" from local businesses and it is the same strategy tyrants have used for years to subdue the masses.
 

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lol that is one of the most idiotic things i have ever heard....

the projects are not dangerous....

would like for you to go down to your local county psychaitric hospital and prison and see how safe you think the projects are
 

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nick douglas quote:"projects" are not dangerous unless you choose to be a gang member."

nick you are the delusional one if you think the projects are only dangerous to gang members. i can recommend a few projects for you to walk through at night in brooklyn, ny that i can assure you that you would be so scared that you will probably shit in your pants. if you would walk inside some of these projects you may see garbage in the hallways, the elevators stinking from pee, hall lights broken, & drug addicts waiting to pounce on unprepared people to take their money.


another nick quote:"The bottom line is that four years ago things like "terrorism" and "National Security" were the furthest things from our minds."

terrorism may have been the furtherest thing on your mind, but i can assure you that this has been on our president's minds going back to reagan & maybe even further back.


one last thing, i am not interested in what people from other countries think of the american president. they should worry about the faults of their own country. all i know is that we finally have a president who is doing something about these terrorist thugs. bush understands that might not negotiation is the only thing that these countries & terrorists understand. and if anybody thinks that any of the democratic candidates will be able to effectively deal with the terrorists, then i have some property in yuma, arizona i would like to sell you as beach front property.
 

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Nobody wants to give a straight answer when I confront them with the fact that this administration's modus operandi is to instill fear in the American public in order to keep them subdued.

Honestly, I bring this on myself. Trying to educate those who don't want to learn is most often a fruitless endeavor.
 

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This administration does not instill fear in me, it instills pride. Pride that we are not cowering away from these terrorist thugs and rogue nations. Pride that we are not sitting back waiting to be hit again. Pride that we are taking the fight to these terrorists, these countries that support terrorists and these countries that are a threat to our national security now and in the future...

If that's what you call fear, I'll take a heaping cup full !!!!
 

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This administration has used things of that nature to instill fear in Americans and make Americans believe that we need protection from those things and that the people in power are the only ones who can give us that protection.

Nick you are wrong. Things like this scare Americans
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This President is taking the fight to them so things like this won't happen again. I just don't understand why people don't understand that:shrug:
 

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nick douglas quote:"Honestly, I bring this on myself. Trying to educate those who don't want to learn is most often a fruitless endeavor."

that's very big of you, nick that you want to educate those people who disagree with you. i wonder how we survived without you.
 

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I think it is fine when people disagree as long as they understand what they are talking about. Few in this thread fit that category.

The funny thing is that when you get to know me, you'd see that a lot of my beliefs are very right-leaning. Just ask SixFive.
 

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Snake Plissken said:
This President is taking the fight to them so things like this won't happen again. I just don't understand why people don't understand that:shrug:

This is what I don't understand. Bush is NOT NOT NOT bringing the fight to them. He invaded a third-world country with a joke of a military, one that incidently did not have a single citizen among the 9/11 hijackers. Meanwhile, al-queda operatives are all over the Middle East, plotting their next attack against western interests (including us), and we're pissing in the wind against some country (that just happened to have a lot of oil) which had a military that put up a fight (and not even a good one) for, oh, a couple weeks, tops? And yet even now, American soldiers are getting killed over there, and for what?? Other than pissing off the fundamentalists in the region even more, not much.

It's like me beating up a third-grader in retaliation for some guy my age calling my girlfriend a bitch. It makes no sense.

And somehow I'm the un-American one, because I don't want our soldiers dying for a cause like that. That's what I don't understand.
 

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Nick Douglas said:
I think it is fine when people disagree as long as they understand what they are talking about. Few in this thread fit that category.



I can't wait for next week, so I can pick your brain. I am dying to know how you became an expert on everything.
 

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I'm not an expert on much, yyz. Just a few things ;). Looking forward to meeting you as well.

Email me if you want so that I can give you my cell phone number to call when I get into Vegas.
 

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Snake- Yes, I honestly believe he was not a threat, at least not nearly to the degree that many of the terrorists organizations in the Middle East are, or for that matter, domestic radicals in the country (i.e. Eric Rudolph). Or even North Korea.

Do I think good came out of the war? Yes. Do I think it's a good thing that Saddam was caught? Yes. Am I glad his son's (who I actually feel were the more dangerous people in the family) were gunned down? Yes. Was this worth even a single America life in my eyes? No. Not at all. I just don't think the threat was there.
 

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These are all serious topics and I have views of my own on them as well, but I sometimes like to get my news from the Jon Stewart show on Comedy Central along with CNN. I find it interesting and funny to see such serious issues in a comedic way. His comments about Bush's speach were great. Just my 2 cents about the news, no ground breaking points to make. Thanks guys




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Snake- always nice to be able to disagree in a civil manner. Not all that common on boards such as these. Take care.....
 

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I gotcha, DTB...name-calling isn't very constructive criticism (re Bush as clown comment). I do agree, though, that he has little responsibility when it comes to making decisions concerning your (oops...I mean 'our':rolleyes: ) national security(ies), or much else that goes on. He is (allegedly) involved in such things, but a major responsibility of his is to be a representative of the people. As such, he is their (your...ours, almost...) voice; he is, as well as other things, a spokesperson. At the very least, relative to other American presidents that I have heard speak, he is not very articulate. Hence the ad hominem attack.
By the way, you left out a number of other countries that aren't 'amused', such as Indonesia, China, Syria, Iran, lotsa-istan's, a number of South American countries, several African countries, ad absurdium.
I just don't know if they feel so much afraid , as you sorta imply, rather than peeved, threatened, humiliated, etc. One popular method of acting against such feelings is to take a defensive posture, including relying on so-called weapons of the weak such as atomic bombs and terrorism.

Feelings safe and Being safe are two different things. Several unclassified documents, and other overt publications, have quite clearly shown that policy-makers have discussed influencing public opinion by instilling fear of both foreign and domestic threats. Hey--it's great to feel safe. I generally feel safe walking around even the crappier neighbourhoods of my city. That doesn't mean that I'm not watching my back, though. Depending on the situation, my experiences, and my mind-set, such minimal anxieties can border on paranoia. Disinformation can make it hard to assess where the real threats lie.

Disinformation, I believe, is my biggest obstacle as I now try to assess what the real problems are in our world. Many will, and probably should, scoff at such a line and say 'f-it, mang...just live your dang life and let it be,' or what-have-you. Believe me, I'd like to; often I wish that some kind of head injury or something else would change me so that I was more accepting of much of the adversity that appears to be affecting our world. It just doesn't seem to be in me, though; many things are going on that seem truly unfair to many people...and it sure as hell pisses me off. I was heavily into studying ethics at University, both before and shortly after Sept.'01, until I became rather disillusioned with the cheap, fruitless, academic games that appear to go on in such pursuits. A year-and-a-half experiment with hedonism (mostly the pursuit of ganja, rock n' roll, ganja, women, ganja, you get it, aye?) finally, somehow, started to get boring. Currently, I'm working in the non-profit sector, as well as conducting my own research on some possible strategies to improve some aspect of the world, what-with my rather marginal resume (the french-sounding kind).
Enough bs about me.

Sure, it's good to see the Taliban gone, but even more moderate Islamic groups are starting to feel threatened. Besides, Afghanistan doesn't appear to have improved much the past few years, unless opium production is a true measure of success. Last I heard, the oil pipeline project, for that country, is still on hold due to the region's major instability.

Saddam was dick, to be sure (there's those ad hominem's, again); he was continually lying about his military initiatives, there is no doubt. Some sources (even left-wing, liberal, or what-have-you) suggest that he was well aware of an eventual attack on the U.S. before Sept.2001, whether or not he was complicit (given the opportunity, I'm sure he would have been). However, I don't think that the war in Iraq can be completed until a Iraqi military regime (i.e. dictatorship) takes power; one that can subject the people to the will of whoever might, in fact, be pulling the strings (and, no, I'm not siding with Chomsky, or whoever, saying the U.S. has global Empire aspirations, or what-have-you, but that's another story...yet to be completed...hopefully without the need to succumb to reptilian shapeshifters or some other BS...yet another story...)

(crap...now I REALLY want a toke...do have two beers in the fridge...hang on...(yes I'm sober--may be the problem))

I'd comment on the rest of your post, DTB, but let me merely recommend a listen to Pink Floyd's Us and Them .

A 'bomb in the marketplace, killing 50 random slobs ', appears, to me, to marginalize the lives of 50 people. I hate to agree with this one, but it IS surprising that we haven't even seen a (relatively) small terrorist attack upon U.S. soil since the big one. Something that, undoubtedly, should be credited to the diligent work of American Intelligence agencies and police forces. The 'battle for world domination ... in the realm of warfare' is where you lost me, yyz. My idealistic, utopian delusions escaped me sometime before my hedomistic flirtations, but is this the new agenda since the end of the cold war? Oh...I forgot...there's also that helium-3 that they discovered on the moon...
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Bush didn't seem very accurate when he discussed the economy, including job-creation statistics. A search for (U.S.) unemployment statistics on the web appears, to me, fruitless; I've seen sites that include people only up to the age of fifty, sites that include Americans employed overseas (or up here, aye), and sites that include people aged 21 or older.
Here's a fun one...next time that you call any 1-800 # (or, even, when a telephone solicitor calls you), ask them what country their calling from; I even know of some Canadian phone-sales companies--ones that used to rely solely on calls to the U.S.--that have now moved their offices to India.

I don't know that I'd want to spend a night in Iraq even if I was invisible. Certainly not in any areas where serious military action has happened. Some reports have shown that radiation levels there are pretty high, alleged due to the depleted uranium being employed by the American military. Stuff was in use during the first Gulf War, too. Some are arguing that Gulf War Syndrome is NOT the result of any bio-or-chemo-weapons that maddaS had, but due to technology created by Bechtel and friends.
I'm not bitching about Americans, here. On the contrary, I'm sympathising with Americans, here. Reports that I've seen claim that many combats vets are having a helluva time getting proper medical treatment, often with government lawyers arguing that ailments are not combat related when the clearly are.
Try checking out some veterens websites; there you'll find many who have not been indoctrinated sufficiently so as to not gripe about and even (gasp) criticize the policies of the U.S military.

Forward he cried from the rear
and the front rank died
And the General sat, and the lines on the map
moved from side to side
(Waters&Wright-Pink Floyd-Us and Them)
 
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