still voting present

[DOGS THAT BARK]

a little hope for both sides

Obama targets NAFTA but says supports free trade LORAIN, Ohio (Reuters) -
Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama assured U.S. trading partners on Sunday that he did not oppose free trade despite making increasingly critical comments about multilateral deals such as NAFTA.

Obama, an Illinois senator, has turned trade into a centerpiece of his campaign in Ohio, where trade agreements are particularly unpopular as domestic manufacturing jobs disappear.--
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080225...ma_trade_dc;_ylt=AiCm9f0ddjb5WdUVXsvlRa134T0D

---and by the way--heres Illionois Commerce Report on Nafta--despite Obama's message of change/hope there to the contray

http://www.commerce.state.il.us/dceo/Bureaus/Trade/Statistics/

ILLINOIS? EXPORTS & FOREIGN DIRECT INVESTMENT

ECONOMIC IMPACT
ILLINOIS? EXPORTS & FOREIGN DIRECT INVESTMENT

Exporting is a significant portion of Illinois? Economy
? Since 2002, Illinois Exports have grown $16.4 billion, a 64% increase
? Illinois exports totaled more than $42.08 billion in 2006, an increase of 17.3% from 2005
? Illinois became the 5th largest exporting state in the US in 2006, its highest ranking ever
? Direct exports were approximately 6.4% of the Gross State Product (GSP) in 2005
? 448,400 Illinois jobs are supported by exports

Foreign Direct Investment
? Illinois ranks #1 in the Midwest as a destination for foreign investment
? Illinois has attracted 1,406 foreign firms with 4,669 locations
? These firms employ over 207,672 Illinois residents

Illinois and NAFTA
? Illinois has realized significant benefits from NAFTA related trade
? Canada and Mexico are Illinois? two largest trading partners importing approximately 37% of Illinois? total exports
? Illinois exports totaled more than $15 billion to NAFTA country partners in 2006

Country 2006 2005 2004
Canada $12.33 $10.86 $9.28
Mexico $3.41 $2.88 $2.42
United Kingdom $2.28 $1.85 $1.86
Japan $2.11 $2.00 $1.85
Australia $2.03 $1.55 $1.32
Germany $2.03 $1.78 $1.42
China (Mainland) $1.52 $1.19 $.92
Belgium $1.51 $1.31 $.93
Netherlands $1.33 $1.23 $1.03
Brazil $1.29 $1.10 $.81
Total (All Countries) $42.08 $35.86 $30.21



Top 5 Industries for Illinois? Exports (Billions)

Industry 2006 2005 2004
Machinery(Except Electrical) $11.79 $10.43 $8.53
Computers, Electronics, Products & Equipment $8.30 $6.99 $6.00
Chemicals $5.83 $5.63 $4.62
Transportation Equipment $4.71 $3.36 $3.15
Agricultural, Food, & Kindred Products $2.65 $2.05 $1.66
Total (All Industries $42.08 $35.86 30.21




Export Data Source: WISER Origin of Movement Series

Foreign Direct Investment Data Source: Dunn & Bradstreet

 

[bryanz]

You are against every thing he is for... so he must have opinions on something . I POSTED THIS BEFORE, MAYBE YOU AND HILLARY ARE KIND OF SLOW. Funny how your friends on the left attack him the same way. Just another example of how the anti American extremist on the left & right have come together...... This may be over your head.... read S L O W ..... You are trying to figure out why and how a former Harvard Magna Cum Laude thinks .... don't try....... this guy was not only first in his class ..... He was President of the Law Review... Those are Ivy League Credentials ... Just to make it fair and balanced With my spin , this should be considered .... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/o...&ex=1203397200&en=3ee75b2d29eaed33&ei=5087%OA

 

[Jabberwocky]

:mj07:

Bryan you are growing on me by the minute.

 

[bryanz]

:mj07:

Bryan you are growing on me by the minute.

I'm trying, fixed the link...

 

[bryanz]

If they ask you to sign in to read please do. The NYT's Has impeccable credentials... If it wasn't for the Cheney to Scooter to Judy Miller leak & link , Americans and the rest of the World wouldn't have believed the BS about WMD's in Iraq... You have to believe the Times, they have endorsed Mccain, they sold the war for this administration.... You can't make this shit up.:SIB

 

[AR182]

The NYT's Has impeccable credentials...

this tells me that you never read the times in your life....go back about 20-25 years & tell me that the times is the same quality newspaper it is now that it was then...

 

[bryanz]

this tells me that you never read the times in your life....go back about 20-25 years & tell me that the times is the same quality newspaper it is now that it was then...

I was just using sarcasm, I don't think they are creditable today, do you ? I'm not sure where you are coming from. Well, I have read at least one article anyway !:SIB

 

[AR182]

I was just using sarcasm, I don't think they are creditable today, do you ? I'm not sure where you are coming from.

bryanz..

please accept my apologies...i completely misread your post....

 

[bryanz]

I went back to read it again.... No harm .. Thanks

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

You are against every thing he is for... so he must have opinions on something . I POSTED THIS BEFORE, MAYBE YOU AND HILLARY ARE KIND OF SLOW. Funny how your friends on the left attack him the same way. Just another example of how the anti American extremist on the left & right have come together...... This may be over your head.... read S L O W ..... You are trying to figure out why and how a former Harvard Magna Cum Laude thinks .... don't try....... this guy was not only first in his class ..... He was President of the Law Review... Those are Ivy League Credentials ... Just to make it fair and balanced With my spin , this should be considered .... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/o...&ex=1203397200&en=3ee75b2d29eaed33&ei=5087%OA

not against everything--you missed my ssn cap comment on his plan--

1st class -"in your opinion" once again your Ivy league credentials are fine for one party but not the other--
-1st class--he lied about being constitutional law professor in mailings and interviews and website--until exposed by University Of Chicago Law School-who confirmed he was only lecturer.
"'I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution,' Obama told an audience at a campaign fundraiser"

The only thing his law backround qualifies him for is running for Pres on Dem ticket--
When was last time Dems had pres on ticket that wasn't a lawyer--or vp for that matter. Must be some type of party qualification.

--and since you been ragging McCain on the "sex" thing--would you care to comment on Susan Estrich a devout Dem?

LOS ANGELES ? Maybe there should be an asterisk in the First Amendment's protection of the freedom of the press making the point that most of us who are parents of teenagers do on a regular basis: that freedom is not simply a privilege but also a responsibility, that just because you have it doesn't mean you need to push its limits, much less abuse it.

I'm certainly not a McCain partisan. And I don't think I've ever met his old friend, the lobbyist Vicki Iseman, as she is described beneath her smiling picture in Thursday's New York Times.

I do know that the definition of all the news that's fit to print has changed if it includes a collage of anonymous anecdotes proving nothing more than that some of the senator's aides might have been troubled by the appearance that he was too close to a woman lobbyist at a time when he was running against the influence of big money in politics.

But the story really isn't about money.

It's about sex -- sex that no one has admitted ever happened; sex that both those involved, or not, deny; sex that no one can prove changed a vote or influenced a call.

After all, would the New York Times be devoting four reporters for three months to tracking down former golfing buddies of the presumptive Republican nominee?

McCain, it should be noted, did everything right in dealing with this investigation.

His hiring of Washington superlawyer Bob Bennett, the Michael Clayton of modern media scandals, janitor par excellence, may not have killed the story, first rumored in December in the Drudge Report, and followed closely by the New Republic, which has detailed the background of its investigation, postponement, and ultimate publication, but his efforts almost certainly pushed it back to the point that it can no longer play the role the whispering campaigns about McCain did in derailing his bid for the Republican nomination in 2000.


It's between John and Cindy McCain whom he goes out in public with, whether he's friendly with attractive blondes, whether she cares if he went to some dinner in Florida with Ms. Iseman and flew back with her on a private jet.

I care how he votes on bills, not whom he eats dinner with. If Mrs. McCain cares, she can deal with her husband on the subject. If she doesn't, I don't. If this is what a free press means, maybe they should try being a little less free. Or a little more careful.

 

[bryanz]

I was fooling around with Mccain having a girl friend but I did not say anything other than GIVE HIM a PASS on the whole ISEMAN thing. Look it up ...... Give him a pass and go to the heart of his integrity. The only thing I have hammered Mccain on was his roll in the Keating 5. He could eat dinner with you for all I care. I don't post for you but you never get it right. I didn't rag Mccain on the sex thing. Why would I want to comment on Susan Estrich ??? I'm not Democrat, I'm not here to defend them. You are the party first guy.. If it was up to me I'd take Nader over the top 3 right now..... You are the one that put 43's Ivy credentilas on the table...:mj07: I don't think I'm alone, finding it hard not to laugh when compared to Obamas credentials.:mj07:

 

[bryanz]

to say that Obama lied is a far reach

to say that Obama lied is a far reach

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/253391,CST-NWS-prof12.article to say that he was exposed, suggest he was tryind to hide something ????

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Obama lied-plain and simple--was he professor as he claimed or lecturer as the college claimed:shrug:
--and on why should you care what Susan Estrich said?
Considering you gave Billy Bob pass and are on McCain --and ranted how impressed you were with Obama's credentials -just thought you might give Estrich the ole :00hour considering her pedigree--

"Susan Estrich is the Robert Kingsley Professor of Law and Political Science at the University of Southern California. She was Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and the first woman President of the Harvard Law Review.
--that says professor not lectuer I might add.

of course that would be only if you were objective person-

Feel a little bad about trapping you again but think at least now it quite obvious your objectivity is directly proportionate to party affiliation.

 

[bryanz]

Obama lied-plain and simple--was he professor as he claimed or lecturer as the college claimed:shrug:
--and on why should you care what Susan Estrich said?
Considering you gave Billy Bob pass and are on McCain --and ranted how impressed you were with Obama's credentials -just thought you might give Estrich the ole :00hour considering her pedigree--

"Susan Estrich is the Robert Kingsley Professor of Law and Political Science at the University of Southern California. She was Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and the first woman President of the Harvard Law Review.
--that says professor not lectuer I might add.

of course that would be only if you were objective person-

Feel a little bad about trapping you again but think at least now it quite obvious your objectivity is directly proportionate to party affiliation.

When did I ever give billy bob a pass on anything ? I have never posted, not once in favor of the clintons... Have never voted for either of them. I can't see how your last statement can be true ?? This post makes no sense. Based on what I have posted above and what I have said about the two parties, since I started posting.

 

[bryanz]

I hope this is the last time I respond to your BS. I can't help myself. You don't know any better or you think I haven't a clue. Did Obama lie about being a professor ? I can not think of why he would. It makes no sense. There is nothing to gain. The diffference between a professor or a lecturer is a technically the same. Talked to someone close to me and ask her the diffference between a professor -vs- lecturer. She said they are one in the same when it comes to qualifications. The difference is a professor is full time looking for tenure and a lecturer is part time. Her experience : She has a duel masters from the University of Chicago. She wanted to teach on the side, she had a job. She taught at U Conn and her title was adjunct professor, she taught a yale and her title was lecturer. She said many universites bring people in that are held at high esteem as lecturers because it's a win / win. They get a high profile guest professor at a savings. Lecturers are usually the best of the best. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/lecturer

 

[escarzamd]

I need some help on NAFTA.......are we losing a load of jobs to Canada? Mexico seems to benefit from having the cheap labor pool, zero concern for the atmosphere, and subsequent investment from several nations, but someone would have to edjamakate me on just how many jobs it cost the Midwest, or the whole country for that matter.

I haven't a clue:shrug: It only seems to be a talking point because Hillary was for it before she was against it.

Found this quickie primer from Economic Policy Institute........ left of center think tank....haven't finished it yet.

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm?id=1545

Debate critique: kind of a yawner. Russert was at least even'handed trying to get a fumble out of one of them. He caught her on the job guarantee from her 2000 Senate run......."Well, I was assuming Al Gore was going to be president....."........whatever. He caught him on DTBs pet point - the Euro Foreign Relations Committee, but he skated it pretty easily (although gw picked up on it in some other thread).....She whined about always going first and thought it would be cute to bring up the SNL skit:shrug: She thinks the distinction between "reject" and "denounce" is not only huge, but something the average person even understands?:142smilie If you look it up (like I had to), "denounce" sounds more forceful. He freakin' laughed at her!:mj07:

How stupid was the last question?

She can't catch him now.......she shuckin' and dancin' down on points late and she has no knockout punch. Might be over next week. Lets get to the Big Game........really ought to get interesting around here then...

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I missed the debate--drat

Always like to see expressions on questions--

As much as I hate to admit it--H has had huge disadvantage on press--but much brought on by herself and Bill.

Obama on other hand has taken smart road and avoided direct confrontation with press when it is an option--smart front runner tactic--but won't have that luxery down the road.
+++++++++++++++++++++

Bad Press

Members of the national media are complaining that Barack Obama is the least accessible of all the remaining candidates. The Politico newspaper reports Obama's campaign is concentrating on interviews with local media ? instead of national press. It is limiting access to those interviews ? not permitting national media even to monitor them ? something the Clinton campaign allows. There are restrictions on media access at events ? requiring reporters to have staff escorts through security gates. And Obama staffers are trying to keep conversations with the senator aboard his campaign plane off the record.

The Politico reports this is in stark contrast to John McCain ? who is said to be the most accessible Republican candidate in decades. McCain talks and jokes with reporters on his campaign bus ? and answers questions until reporters are finished.

 

[MadJack]

As much as I hate to admit it :shrug: --H has had huge disadvantage on press--but much brought on by herself and Bill.

:mj07: :mj07: