This 17yo kid is dead

[Cie]

and it was his own doing.....

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[The Joker]

Yes. It is his own doing.
I do have a lot of questions though.
I am unsure as to why he was shot. Did he in fact, have a weapon?

Dang - this really sucks. I will say that this is PARTLY this young man's fault and MOSTLY the fault of his parents.

 

[Cie]

Yes. It is his own doing.
I do have a lot of questions though.
I am unsure as to why he was shot. Did he in fact, have a weapon?

Dang - this really sucks. I will say that this is PARTLY this young man's fault and MOSTLY the fault of his parents.

He struck the officer in the head with his fist multiple times leaving the officer bleeding from a nasty gash in his forehead. Audio only of the shooting since The kid tackled the officer after being hooked by only one of the taser heads.

 

[Cie]

When pulled over, just provide the documentation requested and comply with the police officer. The cop was cordial from the jump and restrained for longer than I would have been. Frustrating to watch a kid throw away his life.

 

[MadJack]

Wow!

News story here:
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/.../16/press-conference-eaton-guilford/28801761/

The traffic stop was for a civil infraction for flashing his bright lights at an oncoming vehicle closer than 500 feet. Guilford repeatedly refused to give Frost his driver's license, registration and proof of insurance, which would have been a misdemeanor. It was later determined Guilford's license was with his girlfriend, Lloyd said.
Toxicology results showed that THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, was in Guilford's system at the time of the stop. The level of the substance "suggests that Deven used marijuana within three to four hours or sooner," of the traffic stop, according to a press release issued by Lloyd's office.
Frost initially used his stun gun on Guilford while the teen was lying on his stomach next to his vehicle but would not put his hands behind his back as Frost was attempting to handcuff him. The stun gun wasn't fully effective because only one of two probes embedded into Guilford, Lloyd said, although Guilford shouted in pain.
Lloyd said Guilford got off the ground and the altercation ended in a snow-filled ditch, where Guilford was able to get on top of Frost and was hitting him in the face. There is no video of the final moments. Frost's body camera came off during the fight and his SUV had no dash camera; Guilford's cell phone remained on the pavement, recording audio of the shots but no video of the shooting.
Lloyd said Frost could feel blood in his mouth and felt he was about to lose consciousness before he removed his gun from the holster. Lloyd said Frost's gun did not fire at first, but he ejected an unfired round, chambered a new round and fired seven shots at close range in four seconds, all of which struck Guilford.

 

[The Joker]

He struck the officer in the head with his fist multiple times leaving the officer bleeding from a nasty gash in his forehead. Audio only of the shooting since The kid tackled the officer after being hooked by only one of the taser heads.

Well, I am still not on the side of the officer on this one (Shocker, I know).

Why is shooting a kid okay (seemingly) and not punching a kid in the fucking face thus knocking him out?

I keep putting myself in their shoes - what would I do - I may actually have ended up with the same result, but I like to think that I would have done it differently.

 

[Cie]

Couldn't agree more. The kid was not taught respect. Now, the parents, who I agree have some responsibility here, will sue for wrongful death.

 

[The Joker]

"Frost could feel blood in his mouth and felt he was about to lose consciousness before he removed his gun from the holster. Lloyd said Frost's gun did not fire at first, but he ejected an unfired round, chambered a new round and fired seven shots at close range in four seconds, all of which struck Guilford."

Now I am 100% on the cops side if this is in fact true.

 

[MadJack]

I keep putting myself in their shoes - what would I do - I may actually have ended up with the same result, but I like to think that I would have done it differently.

I know exactly what I would have done and the final result would have been completely different. I would have given the officer what he requested.

 

[The Joker]

Couldn't agree more. The kid was not taught respect. Now, the parents, who I agree have some responsibility here, will sue for wrongful death.

Which hopefully would lose 10 times out of 10 given the facts.

 

[The Joker]

I know exactly what I would have done and the final result would have been completely different. I would have given the officer what he requested.

Dick.

 

[Cie]

Well, I am still not on the side of the officer on this one (Shocker, I know).

Why is shooting a kid okay (seemingly) and not punching a kid in the fucking face thus knocking him out?

I keep putting myself in their shoes - what would I do - I may actually have ended up with the same result, but I like to think that I would have done it differently.

IMO, when a cop begins to lose a fight, as appears to be the case here, he needs to grab his weapon before the perp does. In the officer's shoes, I would have shown less patience and restraint when the kid repeatedly was refused to provide his documentation, and later when the kid refused to exit the car.

 

[MadJack]

Dick.

:lol:

 

[The Joker]

IMO, when a cop begins to lose a fight, as appears to be the case here, he needs to grab his weapon before the perp does. In the officer's shoes, I would have shown less patience and restraint when the kid repeatedly was refused to provide his documentation, and later when the kid refused to exit the car.

You know - what about if the officer left the kid in the car and called for back up. With two or three police cars there, the kid would have had to comply or at least the officer would have had some help. (This might have been my play as it would be more for the fear of law coming down on a shitstain than not being able to take care of a 17 year old douche)

THIS would have been the better senario, but hindsight is 2020.

 

[MadJack]

IMO, when a cop begins to lose a fight, as appears to be the case here, he needs to grab his weapon before the perp does. In the officer's shoes, I would have shown less patience and restraint when the kid repeatedly was refused to provide his documentation, and later when the kid refused to exit the car.

The cop didn't need to drag the kid out of the car. Jesus. He should have waited for the backup car and taken it from there. Easy to say after the facts but geez....drag him out of the car? Gimme a break.

 

[MadJack]

You know - what about if the officer left the kid in the car and called for back up. With two or three police cars there, the kid would have had to comply or at least the officer would have had some help.

THIS would have been the better senario, but hindsight is 2020.

The cop didn't need to drag the kid out of the car. Jesus. He should have waited for the backup car and taken it from there. Easy to say after the facts but geez....drag him out of the car? Gimme a break.

:toast:

 

[Cie]

I know exactly what I would have done and the final result would have been completely different. I would have given the officer what he requested.

No question about it. I was ticketed for rolling through a stop sign as a teen. In fact, I was often ticketed, but this time I was not guilty of the offense. Not only did I stop, but I sat there a minute changing the cassette. After providing my documentation, I informed the cop that I changed the cassette while at the stop sign, thus was stopped for about a minute, but he disagreed. I was furious, but he couldn't tell. My father's golfing buddy fixed the ticket and I am alive today.

 

[The Joker]

drag him out of the car? Gimme a break.

I get why he did it though. He was pissed.

Also, a true Jedi doesn't let anger or fear rule his decisions.

 

[MadJack]

Wait till FDC sees this thread!


:0corn

 

[Cie]

You know - what about if the officer left the kid in the car and called for back up. With two or three police cars there, the kid would have had to comply or at least the officer would have had some help. (This might have been my play as it would be more for the fear of law coming down on a shitstain than not being able to take care of a 17 year old douche)

THIS would have been the better senario, but hindsight is 2020.

The cop didn't need to drag the kid out of the car. Jesus. He should have waited for the backup car and taken it from there. Easy to say after the facts but geez....drag him out of the car? Gimme a break.

I agree. The kid was an ass for not providing his ID, but the cop didn't need to drag the whiny and entitled kid from the car.

After the cop pulled him from the car, the kid refused to let himself be cuffed. Another poor decision

The cop then tased him, which seems over the top.

The kid then stands up and scuffles with the cop, which is poor judgment to say the least.



All in all, the kid cooperates, he is breathing today and his only citation is for driving without license on person. Instead, multiple lives are ruined.