Tiger disqualified?

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it was kind of like everyone bashing them for giving the Chinese kid the slow play penalty ... they were put on the clock as a GROUP ... he was given TWO MORE warnings and then gave him the penalty

and how the FUCK can the best players in the world play SIX HOUR rounds in THREESOMES :facepalm:
 

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it was kind of like everyone bashing them for giving the Chinese kid the slow play penalty ... they were put on the clock as a GROUP ... he was given TWO MORE warnings and then gave him the penalty

and how the FUCK can the best players in the world play SIX HOUR rounds in THREESOMES :facepalm:


No. You could hand all of them this penalty, or at least the ones who cause the problem every round. This is exactly what people are saying. If Tiger was taking four minutes to hit shots, no one would say a fucking thing. In fact, CBS would love it, because they could show more past footage of him, instead of the guys who are 5 strokes ahead of him.

Instead, it's some kid who no one gives a shit about, so fuck him.
 

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No. You could hand all of them this penalty, or at least the ones who cause the problem every round. This is exactly what people are saying. If Tiger was taking four minutes to hit shots, no one would say a fucking thing. In fact, CBS would love it, because they could show more past footage of him, instead of the guys who are 5 strokes ahead of him.

Instead, it's some kid who no one gives a shit about, so fuck him.

that kid got as much hype as Tiger this week ... you dont think they hated giving this kid that penalty :shrug:

I was amazed that he didnt make a single birdie in round 2 and shot 75 with the penalty
 

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I hate Tiger Woods, I admit it, always have and feel like rooting for him is like rooting for the house in blackjack or the bad guy in WWF, but I dont get the whole he signed the wrong scorecard argument. He was informed after hole 18 of his round that there was NO issues with his round and the playing partner and caddie confirmed his correct score, AT THE TIME, then he had a press conference and admitted that he dropped the ball 2 yards back, which obviously as a known cheater and cover up artist would never do, as he never went home and told that hot sweed that he just went to the waffle house and fucked the skank who brought him his grits.

Anyways, I digress, I hate Tiger, but I think the correct analogy isnt whether he should have Dq'd himself for signing the "wrong scorecard", the correct analogy is the "Refs" changing the ruling after the fact and penalizing him 2 strokes. How does that happen? He already signed and sealed that round. That is like the officials saying they fucked Syracuse on the Carter-Williams blocking/CHARGE call and giving the Cuse the ball with 1:15 left and down 2 with their best player with only 3 fouls instead of fouling out the next play. I don't get how they can change his score AFTER he signed the correct score at the end of his round. A day late and a dollar short in my mind and I hate the cocksucker.
 

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I hate Tiger Woods, I admit it, always have and feel like rooting for him is like rooting for the house in blackjack or the bad guy in WWF, but I dont get the whole he signed the wrong scorecard argument. He was informed after hole 18 of his round that there was NO issues with his round and the playing partner and caddie confirmed his correct score, AT THE TIME, then he had a press conference and admitted that he dropped the ball 2 yards back, which obviously as a known cheater and cover up artist would never do, as he never went home and told that hot sweed that he just went to the waffle house and fucked the skank who brought him his grits.

Anyways, I digress, I hate Tiger, but I think the correct analogy isnt whether he should have Dq'd himself for signing the "wrong scorecard", the correct analogy is the "Refs" changing the ruling after the fact and penalizing him 2 strokes. How does that happen? He already signed and sealed that round. That is like the officials saying they fucked Syracuse on the Carter-Williams blocking/CHARGE call and giving the Cuse the ball with 1:15 left and down 2 with their best player with only 3 fouls instead of fouling out the next play. I don't get how they can change his score AFTER he signed the correct score at the end of his round. A day late and a dollar short in my mind and I hate the cocksucker.

Makes no sense. Complete BS.
 

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You can't actually believe that, and if you do it is beyond comical. Think about the ?history? of pro golf, not only in the US but pro tours all over the world. They always didn?t have every shot on camera. You don?t think ever at some point someone took a bad drop or misinterpreted the rules and it wasn?t noticed? And that same person signed an incorrect scorecard? Such a rosy outlook on the sport you have that there has never been a wrong that wasn?t caught and corrected in time.

Neverteastit pointed to an example of Palmer and Venturi, but guess what there is no evidence to settle that controversy, just two guys? word against the other.

Do I believe it? It's an undisputable fact..are you just trying to bump your gums or do you have instance where someone did and was not disqualified. ..now that we got that out of way

...let take up issue of integrity of golf. It is a sport where their are no refs. It is up to character/integrity of players to monitor themselves. I started with no opinion of Tiger until he clearly demonstrated his lack of character/integrity (on the course) here...
http://www.golfchannel.com/media/fan-inteference/#10

...he went on to show same lack of both (off the course)

Here are a few examples of similar situations handled by those "with" integrity..

Nick Price, who was tied for the lead with David Frost. During the round, Price hit a drive into the fairway and his caddie moved an advertising board which was 25 yards ahead of Price's ball. The sign was classified as an immovable obstruction, so Price should have gotten a free drop. He didn't know that, and after his round when his scorecard was already signed, Price learned that he should have dropped instead of taking the sign down. That meant that Price had signed an incorrect scorecard. Even though local officials told Price that he could change the card, Price rejected the offer and left the scoring table, thus disqualifying himself from the tournament. Instead of a chance at either the $1 million winner's check or the runner-up check of $300,000, Price got $105,000.


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1996 Bay Hill Invitational[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After the second round Jeff Sluman was only two back of the leaders, but he became concerned the night after the round when he thought he may have taken an incorrect drop after hitting into a water hazard. The next morning Sluman returned to the scene and confirmed that the drop area which he used was closer to the hole and that his drop was incorrect. He then disqualified himself from the tournament. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1990 Palm Meadows Cup[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Going into the third round, it was appeared that a classic battle was about to unfold, as Greg Norman had a one-shot lead over Curtis Strange. However, on the driving range he found out that on the first day he had taken an illegal drop from a water hazard. When told of the problem Norman disqualified himself, thus losing a chance at the first-place check of $160,000.[/FONT]
 

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Do I believe it? It's an undisputable fact..are you just trying to bump your gums or do you have instance where someone did and was not disqualified. ..now that we got that out of way

...let take up issue of integrity of golf. It is a sport where their are no refs. It is up to character/integrity of players to monitor themselves. I started with no opinion of Tiger until he clearly demonstrated his lack of character/integrity (on the course) here...
http://www.golfchannel.com/media/fan-inteference/#10

...he went on to show same lack of both (off the course)

Here are a few examples of similar situations handled by those "with" integrity..

Nick Price, who was tied for the lead with David Frost. During the round, Price hit a drive into the fairway and his caddie moved an advertising board which was 25 yards ahead of Price's ball. The sign was classified as an immovable obstruction, so Price should have gotten a free drop. He didn't know that, and after his round when his scorecard was already signed, Price learned that he should have dropped instead of taking the sign down. That meant that Price had signed an incorrect scorecard. Even though local officials told Price that he could change the card, Price rejected the offer and left the scoring table, thus disqualifying himself from the tournament. Instead of a chance at either the $1 million winner's check or the runner-up check of $300,000, Price got $105,000.


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1996 Bay Hill Invitational[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After the second round Jeff Sluman was only two back of the leaders, but he became concerned the night after the round when he thought he may have taken an incorrect drop after hitting into a water hazard. The next morning Sluman returned to the scene and confirmed that the drop area which he used was closer to the hole and that his drop was incorrect. He then disqualified himself from the tournament. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1990 Palm Meadows Cup[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Going into the third round, it was appeared that a classic battle was about to unfold, as Greg Norman had a one-shot lead over Curtis Strange. However, on the driving range he found out that on the first day he had taken an illegal drop from a water hazard. When told of the problem Norman disqualified himself, thus losing a chance at the first-place check of $160,000.[/FONT]



Based on the evidence above, I rule Eldrick guilty of all charges.
 

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maybe i'm thinking of something else, but didn't something happen with dustin johnson a couple years back or maybe even last year.

something where a tv camera caught him doing something which cost him the tourney. i seem to rember that.
 

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maybe i'm thinking of something else, but didn't something happen with dustin johnson a couple years back or maybe even last year.

something where a tv camera caught him doing something which cost him the tourney. i seem to rember that.

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Based on the evidence above, I rule Eldrick guilty of all charges.

Thanks for the info Dogs. I dont often switch my opinion this easy, but obviously last night I was not taking into account the SELF REGULATION in Golf. That is a FINE point with examples.

I agree Tiger should have Dq'd himself, because of this self regulation in golf, which is different from most sports.

I guess Tiger is now the guy in the clubhouse, who everyone knows takes a bogey, when he should have made that 4 footer and was only jokingly putting it at the hole. Love that guy.
 

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Do I believe it? It's an undisputable fact..are you just trying to bump your gums or do you have instance where someone did and was not disqualified. ..now that we got that out of way

...let take up issue of integrity of golf. It is a sport where their are no refs. It is up to character/integrity of players to monitor themselves. I started with no opinion of Tiger until he clearly demonstrated his lack of character/integrity (on the course) here...
http://www.golfchannel.com/media/fan-inteference/#10

...he went on to show same lack of both (off the course)

Here are a few examples of similar situations handled by those "with" integrity..

Nick Price, who was tied for the lead with David Frost. During the round, Price hit a drive into the fairway and his caddie moved an advertising board which was 25 yards ahead of Price's ball. The sign was classified as an immovable obstruction, so Price should have gotten a free drop. He didn't know that, and after his round when his scorecard was already signed, Price learned that he should have dropped instead of taking the sign down. That meant that Price had signed an incorrect scorecard. Even though local officials told Price that he could change the card, Price rejected the offer and left the scoring table, thus disqualifying himself from the tournament. Instead of a chance at either the $1 million winner's check or the runner-up check of $300,000, Price got $105,000.


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1996 Bay Hill Invitational[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After the second round Jeff Sluman was only two back of the leaders, but he became concerned the night after the round when he thought he may have taken an incorrect drop after hitting into a water hazard. The next morning Sluman returned to the scene and confirmed that the drop area which he used was closer to the hole and that his drop was incorrect. He then disqualified himself from the tournament. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1990 Palm Meadows Cup[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Going into the third round, it was appeared that a classic battle was about to unfold, as Greg Norman had a one-shot lead over Curtis Strange. However, on the driving range he found out that on the first day he had taken an illegal drop from a water hazard. When told of the problem Norman disqualified himself, thus losing a chance at the first-place check of $160,000.[/FONT]

Since you are obviously the undisputable historian of the game, what is your opinion, I mean, what are the facts of the Palmer/Venturi dispute? Would be great to have that one settled once and for all.
 

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I do not understand why everybody doesn't agree with this.


http://www.vcstar.com/news/2013/apr/13/buttitta-woods-should-have-disqualified-himself/

AUGUSTA, GA ? Saturday is traditionally called ?moving day? on the PGA Tour. For Tiger Woods, Saturday should have been ?moving out? day.

After being given a free pass from the Masters rules committee to continue playing despite signing an inaccurate scorecard, Woods should have done the right thing and pulled out of the competition.

Instead, Woods opted to accept the gift and play on, a move that flies right in the face of the integrity that the sport has come to stand for.

The controversy stemmed from an improper drop that Woods took on the 15th hole in Friday?s second round. After his approach shot hit the flagstick and caromed into the water, Woods unknowingly took a penalty drop several yards away from where he should have.

As Woods played his final few holes, a fan watching on television called to say Woods incorrectly dropped his ball and should be penalized.

Fred Ridley, chairman of the Masters competition and rules committee, reviewed the video with other members of the committee and decided Woods had proceeded appropriately and would not be assessed a penalty.

That decision was made just as Woods was completing his round, and since they were not assessing a penalty, Ridley said didn?t inform Woods of the controversy. Woods finished his round and signed what turned out to be a wrong scorecard.

A few minutes after signing his card, Woods did an interview on ESPN where he explained that he had purposely played his shot 2 yards behind his original divot. At around 10 p.m., Ridley got a call from CBS informing him of what Woods said.

Ridley and others watched the interview and believed they may have made a mistake with their original ruling. Ridley contacted Woods? representatives and told them they needed to meet with Woods on Saturday morning.

?We did that approximately 8 a.m. this morning,? Ridley said. ?Tiger was very forthright in his comments and his answers to questions that we had, and at the end of the discussion, he indicated that and confirmed that he was trying to create a situation where he would effectively have a shot that was not going to go quite as far as his first shot did.

? I told Tiger that in light of that information that we felt that he had, in fact, violated Rule 26 under the Rules of Golf and that he was going to have to be penalized.?

Ridley then told Woods since they had failed to inform him about any possible violation before he signed his card, they would invoke Rule 33-7 that kept him from being disqualified.

While appreciating how much Woods wants to win this championship, he needed to have enough honor to thank Ridley and the committee for its forgiveness and then excuse himself from the tournament.

Golf is about strict adherence to the rules, not loopholes. Golf?s history is filled with countless examples of players who have done the right thing and paid severe consequences.

Augusta National founder Bobby Jones reflected the integrity in golf in 1925 while competing in the U.S. Open. Jones had a shot landed in the rough. Before he could hit his next shot, his club caused a slight movement of the ball. No one else saw it. He immediately called a two-stroke penalty ? on himself. He lost the tournament by a single stroke.

When people praised Jones for the gesture, he responded: ?You might as well praise me for not breaking into banks.?


A few years ago journeyman Brian Davis accidentally hit a reed on his backswing during a playoff in the Verizon Heritage Classic.

No one saw it and the TV replay was inconclusive.

Davis knew he hit the reed and called a two-stroke penalty on himself. It cost Davis the tournament and a chance to play in the Masters.

When asked why he called the penalty, Davis said, ?It?s not so important that you cheat to achieve it.?


I don?t believe Woods knew what he was doing when he made his ill-fated drop, but ignorance is simply not a defense. And Tiger knows that.

Had he refused the lifejacket that the Masters rules officials offered, Woods would have served as a shining example for young golfers about the need to put integrity over potential success.

Woods showed his extraordinary mental toughness during Saturday?s third round, blocking out the distractions and playing well enough to keep himself in the hunt for a fifth Masters title.

Should he somehow accomplish that, it will come with an asterisk next to it. It will be a tainted win; one that I am sure his late father Earl wouldn?t be thrilled about.

Based on how well he?s played this week and in the weeks prior, there?s little doubt he?ll have other opportunities to win more majors.

But it should not have been this week.

? 2013 Ventura County Star. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



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Do I believe it? It's an undisputable fact..are you just trying to bump your gums or do you have instance where someone did and was not disqualified. ..now that we got that out of way

...let take up issue of integrity of golf. It is a sport where their are no refs. It is up to character/integrity of players to monitor themselves. I started with no opinion of Tiger until he clearly demonstrated his lack of character/integrity (on the course) here...
http://www.golfchannel.com/media/fan-inteference/#10

...he went on to show same lack of both (off the course)

Here are a few examples of similar situations handled by those "with" integrity..

Nick Price, who was tied for the lead with David Frost. During the round, Price hit a drive into the fairway and his caddie moved an advertising board which was 25 yards ahead of Price's ball. The sign was classified as an immovable obstruction, so Price should have gotten a free drop. He didn't know that, and after his round when his scorecard was already signed, Price learned that he should have dropped instead of taking the sign down. That meant that Price had signed an incorrect scorecard. Even though local officials told Price that he could change the card, Price rejected the offer and left the scoring table, thus disqualifying himself from the tournament. Instead of a chance at either the $1 million winner's check or the runner-up check of $300,000, Price got $105,000.


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1996 Bay Hill Invitational[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]After the second round Jeff Sluman was only two back of the leaders, but he became concerned the night after the round when he thought he may have taken an incorrect drop after hitting into a water hazard. The next morning Sluman returned to the scene and confirmed that the drop area which he used was closer to the hole and that his drop was incorrect. He then disqualified himself from the tournament. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1990 Palm Meadows Cup[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Going into the third round, it was appeared that a classic battle was about to unfold, as Greg Norman had a one-shot lead over Curtis Strange. However, on the driving range he found out that on the first day he had taken an illegal drop from a water hazard. When told of the problem Norman disqualified himself, thus losing a chance at the first-place check of $160,000.[/FONT]

What do you expect, dogs? He is black.
 

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Since you are obviously the undisputable historian of the game, what is your opinion, I mean, what are the facts of the Palmer/Venturi dispute? Would be great to have that one settled once and for all.

It's all about integrity...

Venturi, who recalled putting out during the discussion, remembered Palmer moving the embedded ball maybe two feet, chipping on and two-putting for double bogey, then announcing, with a glare at Lacey: ''I didn't like your ruling. I'm going to play a provisional ball.''

Venturi remembered telling Palmer: ''You can't do that. You have to declare a second ball before you hit your first one. Suppose you had chipped in with the other ball? Would you still be playing a second?''

Palmer has insisted all along that, before he hit his embedded ball, he declared to Lacey that he would play a second ball, which he chipped close and one-putted to save par. He appealed to the rules committee the 5 that went up on the scoreboard, then eagled the 475-yard 13th hole. After his tee shot on the 15th hole, Palmer learned that his appeal had been upheld. His score at the 12th was 3, not 5.

So another competitor brings into question another player who at the time just happened to be Arnold Palmer who was the biggest name in golf and with his Army had the masses on his side.

So lets talk about integrity.

Arnie played his original ball and then played the other after the fact. He was able to see the break and speed of the green from his first ball. That in itself is not legal. You are gaining an unfair advantage. Remember it's all about the integrity of the game.

Venturi said he never heard him declare a second ball. But remember Arnie's Army would have probably burned the clubhouse down if he would have been DQ'd or penalized. Many can argue the point that he signed an incorrect scorecard. He should have taken a 5 on 12 and then DQ'd. He should have DQ'd himself if their was even a doubt since it's all about integrity.

So just like Arnie's case, Tiger was given a break. However Arnie went on to win by those 2 strokes he was given. Tiger was penalized and unless he wins why don't all the rules experts re-hash this episode and have a riot to get the green jacket back and maybe a couple of cases of Pennzoil to boot.
 
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