tomlin

[the addict]

Pburgh maybe I'm remembering incorrect but I believe ex players have commented

I know a lot of NFL analysts and general fans don't need to see anything to determine his game clock management is terrible and decisions leave many questioning why.


If you like him...awesome man....his record his first few years was great....and won a sb....but no one will sway my opinion....

Hines porter Harrison Polamalu Ben Santonio heath ike...with the leaders they have I could have coached and they would have won in spite of me.

I think he is terrible at managing games....which is really his only job....he doesn't call plays...he doesn't throw the rock....he manages clock and timeouts and decides when to draw something up on 4th down....like when playing at the toughest stadium for opponents in seattle.....why wouldn't you want your 3rd string qb throwing a pass to an offensive lineman?

I do not think he is a winning coach at any other location....I think he's not a good head coach.


Just my opinion though I wouldn't lose sleep over it....I have been wrong plenty.....

I would take pretty much any coach ahead of him...he doesn't make players better. Period.

 

[PittsburghKid]

HE IS A FUCKEN MORON...I am a lifelong Steelers fan and watching this guys game management is sickening

You can stop at anytime if it's that bad for you to be watching..

I really must be missing something.. If someone tells me that my coach is going to win 88 out of 120 games I signed up for that any day the week we must really be a spoiled Fanbase much.. I'm either really stupid or I'm missing something really big here.. * shrug* oh well I was just giving my opinions..

Can a couple questions please answered though. I'm really curious..

1) Tomlin sucks (allegedly) who is better Thant is out there that would Be sure thing coach who
goes to multiple Super Bowls and who would have a better coaching record? Always easy to say fire this guy or get rid of this guy but you better have someone in mind to replace them

2) again who The coaches that you rank just below Tomlin number 31-27 ? (This is not in direct response to this quote but the OP)

3) I still want to see the link(s) with comments from the players on the team that talk about Tomlinson decisions? I Obviously missed this would like to see you just read up on it.

Thanks guys and sorry just feel he still gets a raw deal in the city and that where the most part it seems like were soiled Fanbase.. I personally enjoy the fact that we're competitive every year never sit through 2,3,4 win seasons. And are always competing for a championship.. I know what it's like being a pirate and going so long without any hope. I couldn't dare complain about it being so successful like the Steelers when I know the opposite feeling

 

[the addict]

But I do apologize if I am mis-remembering players questioning hid game management skills...

I'll try and find something but could be wrong....it may have been Ryan clark.

 

[PittsburghKid]

Pburgh maybe I'm remembering incorrect but I believe ex players have commented I know a lot of NFL analysts and general fans don't need to see anything to determine his game clock management is terrible and decisions leave many questioning why. If you like him...awesome man....his record his first few years was great....and won a sb....but no one will sway my opinion.... Hines porter Harrison Polamalu Ben Santonio heath ike...with the leaders they have I could have coached and they would have won in spite of me. I think he is terrible at managing games....which is really his only job....he doesn't call plays...he doesn't throw the rock....he manages clock and timeouts and decides when to draw something up on 4th down....like when playing at the toughest stadium for opponents in seattle.....why wouldn't you want your 3rd string qb throwing a pass to an offensive lineman? I do not think he is a winning coach at any other location....I think he's not a good head coach. Just my opinion though I wouldn't lose sleep over it....I have been wrong plenty..... I would take pretty much any coach ahead of him...he doesn't make players better. Period.

Appreciate the response

Cheers

 

[PittsburghKid]

But I do apologize if I am mis-remembering players questioning hid game management skills... I'll try and find something but could be wrong....it may have been Ryan clark.

Cheers . If you do id be interested in reading it

 

[Gags]

You can stop at anytime if it's that bad for you to be watching..

I really must be missing something.. If someone tells me that my coach is going to win 88 out of 120 games I signed up for that any day the week we must really be a spoiled Fanbase much.. I'm either really stupid or I'm missing something really big here.. * shrug* oh well I was just giving my opinions..

Can a couple questions please answered though. I'm really curious..

1) Tomlin sucks (allegedly) who is better Thant is out there that would Be sure thing coach who
goes to multiple Super Bowls and who would have a better coaching record? Always easy to say fire this guy or get rid of this guy but you better have someone in mind to replace them

2) again who The coaches that you rank just below Tomlin number 31-27 ? (This is not in direct response to this quote but the OP)

3) I still want to see the link(s) with comments from the players on the team that talk about Tomlinson decisions? I Obviously missed this would like to see you just read up on it.

Thanks guys and sorry just feel he still gets a raw deal in the city and that where the most part it seems like were soiled Fanbase.. I personally enjoy the fact that we're competitive every year never sit through 2,3,4 win seasons. And are always competing for a championship.. I know what it's like being a pirate and going so long without any hope. I couldn't dare complain about it being so successful like the Steelers when I know the opposite feeling

I can tell you this, the window of opportunity to win with his frachise QB is closing. If he doesnt fix the defense while Ben can still play at a high level then they will not contend for a long time. And HE IS A DEFENSIVE COACH. Some awful draft picks under him that are setting them back. And there is no way I give him credit for finding Brown and Bell...

 

[the addict]

I can tell you this, the window of opportunity to win with his frachise QB is closing. If he doesnt fix the defense while Ben can still play at a high level then they will not contend for a long time. And HE IS A DEFENSIVE COACH. Some awful draft picks under him that are setting them back. And there is no way I give him credit for finding Brown and Bell...

Agree.


A lot of coaches would be able to win some games with ben...

He needs to make sure he is doing so soon because once a franchise qb is missing, most franchises struggle for a while.

 

[Gags]

And I think he gets outcoached on gameday and doesnt make proper adjustments in game. Thats what I want in a coach. Someone smart enough to take advantage of the other teams weaknesses and put your own players in a position to succeed. I dont think he does any of that stuff consistantly enough to make it to Feb.

 

[PittsburghKid]

Some awful draft picks under him that are setting them back. And there is no way I give him credit for finding Brown and Bell...

Some you're selectively deciding to give him credit for "bad picks" but not "good picks"?

 

[Gags]

Some you're selectively deciding to give him credit for "bad picks" but not "good picks"?

Former defensive coordinator and defensive backs coach. NO.
Whats their weakness? Yes secondary...

 

[PittsburghKid]

Former defensive coordinator and defensive backs coach. NO. Whats their weakness? Yes secondary...

My question was you give him credit for any bad pick but no credit for any good pick? So it really doesn't matter what he does. When "his" defense shutdown Arizona did you give him credit or someone else? What about when they had the Chargers (not a good team but can score) held down ? Who got the credit for that? Or does he get the credit when the defense plays bad and someone else gets the credit when they play well?

 

[Gags]

My question was you give him credit for any bad pick but no credit for any good pick? So it really doesn't matter what he does. When "his" defense shutdown Arizona did you give him credit or someone else? What about when they had the Chargers (not a good team but can score) held down ? Who got the credit for that? Or does he get the credit when the defense plays bad and someone else gets the credit when they play well?

I blame him for ignoring the CB position on draft day consistantly for the past few years. I blame him for having to play soft zone defense no matter who they play because their secondary is too awful to play tight man. Today they showed what a Tomlin lead team does after a bye week to prepare. An awful fake fg and a defense that gave 5 tds to Russell Wilson. Sherman was all over Brown the entire game, no adjustment to put him in motion or get him in other positions to make plays. Tomlin is a motivator and wants to be friends with his players. I want a coach they respect. I give the defense credit to Butler who is getting the most of what was given to him. Im not saying fire him, Im just saying I dont like him.

 

[PittsburghKid]

I blame him for ignoring the CB position on draft day consistantly for the past few years. I blame him for having to play soft zone defense no matter who they play because their secondary is too awful to play tight man. Today they showed what a Tomlin lead team does after a bye week to prepare. An awful fake fg and a defense that gave 5 tds to Russell Wilson. Sherman was all over Brown the entire game, no adjustment to put him in motion or get him in other positions to make plays. Tomlin is a motivator and wants to be friends with his players. I want a coach they respect. I give the defense credit to Butler who is getting the most of what was given to him. Im not saying fire him, Im just saying I dont like him.

You do know the steelers haven't drafted a CB high since rod Woodson? That goes back 3 coaches not just Tomlin regime. If he "took over cowhers teams" as many say (don't think you said this , gags.. But many many others have) then he also took over his CBs, no? LOL yet it's his fault he has bad CBs.. And before anyone says cowher has been gone almost 10 years.. That's my exact point it's Tomlins team as soon as he took over.. He took over an 8-8 team.. Just as cowher took over a bad team..yet I didn't hear anyone saying he won with knolls players.. just find it all hilarious. In the end it seems to be an organization philosophy to not draft CBs high. Not saying I agree but just saying that's what it appears. They put priorities in other positions it seems. .

It's just amazing how people give credit to anyone but Tomlin in any situation but blame him for all that goes wrong..

And if you don't think the players respect Tomlin id have to say you're crazy. I only know 2 of them and that's through people, and I know one significant other and met her ex who is a LB and he's a great guy and I know for a fact he and the team respect Tomlin for sure .. Now maybe he was just saying that to me, I have no idea . Maybe you know something I don't , but the man is highly respected from what I've heard. Albeit only a small small sample size .

Cheers though. To each their own and I guess we will have to agree to disagree ..

Go steelers.

 

[PittsburghKid]

Also.. Sorry one last question.. Who do you give credit to for going for the win in SD rather than the tie? I know if it failed who would get the blame .

 

[Gags]

Also.. Sorry one last question.. Who do you give credit to for going for the win in SD rather than the tie? I know if it failed who would get the blame .

Just because it worked doesnt mean it was a good call. He only went for it because he had Vick at qb and seized the opportunity. Knowing Vick would have lost it in OT. BTW, do you know why Brandon Boykin hasnt seen the field I have my theories....

 

[PittsburghKid]

Just because it worked doesnt mean it was a good call. He only went for it because he had Vick at qb and seized the opportunity. Knowing Vick would have lost it in OT. BTW, do you know why Brandon Boykin hasnt seen the field I have my theories....

He went for it because that was the best chance to win . Didnt you say you want s coach who puts their team in a position to win? Lol

And I do not to be honest. I haven't heard or read anything. I would like someone to ask bouchette about it during one of his interviews on the radio see if he knows anything... I also do not have any theories. I can't say I knew much about him before coming here. He wasn't playing in philly either ? Or am I wrong about that?

 

[Gags]

He went for it because that was the best chance to win . Didnt you say you want s coach who puts their team in a position to win? Lol

And I do not to be honest. I haven't heard or read anything. I would like someone to ask bouchette about it during one of his interviews on the radio see if he knows anything... I also do not have any theories. I can't say I knew much about him before coming here. He wasn't playing in philly either ? Or am I wrong about that?

The trade for Boykin with the Eagles is for a 6th round draft pick. If he plays in 60% of the plays it becomes a 4th round pick. Just my theory that the Steelers are being stingy with their picks. Tomlin has come out and said that for Boykin to see the field that someone would have to not play well enough to start. Well, if anyone watched the Seattle game I'd say you can pick anyone to replace. Boykin could step in and be our #1 corner, I'm an hour from Philly and was shocked Chip Kelly traded him.

 

[PittsburghKid]

The trade for Boykin with the Eagles is for a 6th round draft pick. If he plays in 60% of the plays it becomes a 4th round pick. Just my theory that the Steelers are being stingy with their picks. Tomlin has come out and said that for Boykin to see the field that someone would have to not play well enough to start. Well, if anyone watched the Seattle game I'd say you can pick anyone to replace. Boykin could step in and be our #1 corner, I'm an hour from Philly and was shocked Chip Kelly traded him.

Had no Idea.. That is interesting, I never knew that was the case. Just thought it was. A straight 6th rounder

 

[Gags]

Had no Idea.. That is interesting, I never knew that was the case. Just thought it was. A straight 6th rounder

From Bleacher Report...

According to Reuben Frank of CSNPhilly.com, the pick can become a fourth-rounder if Boykin "plays 60 percent of plays."


That's where I read it and it fits. Tomlin won't come out and say it but it's true. Guess that 4th rounder is far more important than covering Baldwin, Crabtree, Gronk, or any other WR eating the D's lunch.