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"the bunker"
to be fair after having some fun with the speech...for the obamaniacs.....heres some comments from cnn`s blog...


Donna Hussein Brooks "I'm def not going to watch the Bobby Jindal Show. What's he going to do besides recite talking points?"

10:16pm EST - Columbus, OH
Ermilda Bienaime "thanks CNN and Facebook."
10:16pm EST - Miami, FL

Gina Campanella is so inspired after hearing Obama speak. Finally, an eloquent president!

10:16pm EST - Bend, OR
Jhonny Francois God Bless America.

10:16pm EST - Boston, MA
Adrienne P. Marshall thinks the Prez is ALL OVER his job. Hope he has the support and time to pull things through.

10:16pm EST - Birmingham, AL
Lorena Judith Limas I love him!

10:16pm EST - Austin, TX
Jonah Weinberg doesn't have the stomach to listen to Jindal's respnse.
10:16pm EST - Cleveland, OH

Norwood Fisher "Clear-a-thrill!"
10:15pm - Los Angeles, CA

Rene' Edwards IS PONDERING ON EVEN LISTENING TO GOP'S RESPONSE.
10:15pm

Joanna Bossi is really happy that President Obama talked about national service.
10:15pm - Kansas City,

10:17pm-Madjacks
Gardenweasel..."lard jaysus!...my foreskin grew bacK!!""

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NICE!!!!

Obama used someone other then Joe the Plumber as an example....and guess what..he didnt owe back taxes, but actually gace away his bonus of what was that $16 million to the people the currently worked and used to work for him Thats what AMERICA is about, we know what that other crew would of done....see example "Joe the Plumber"


i am still in shock that obama didn't offer "joe the plumber" a cabinet positon. he was more than qualified under this new administration.:mj07: just ask daschle
 

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weasel, you have definitely been entertaining. good luck with that skin:mj07:
 

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Seriously, Wayne? You act like Bush left the country in fine repair and this new president is ruining everything in 30 fucking days. You're smarter than this Wayne.

Granted only 30 days Gry--but lets look what he done in 30 days--

Terrorism--wants to release those we spent years to catch--Interrogations of terrorist now a lawn chair and glass of tea.

Tort-reform--has extended time disgruntled employees can sue.

Entitlement/welfare programs- expand coverage too incude families making over 300% poverty level.

Tarp--no ones got a clue whats up

Stimulus bill--more welfare--

Mortage --give aways

--so quite apparent from most observing--despite only 30 days--he has weakened us on fight on terror--took away all gains on prior healthcare reform and tacking on more--has absolutely no clue on banking fiasco.

Now these are already laws pased (rushed through in 30 days) at cost of doubling the debt and he's made it clear he hasn't got to his big spending agenda's yet -- greenie tech--and universal healthcare.

--so I think the "only 30 days" camp is relating to a reflection of time- and not a reflection of what has occurred in that time.
 

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anticpated preview of tonights speech--

Can project it to be summed up as follows--

Mr Hope will again have on his Dr Doom face.
Will lay all probs on some else and take responsibilty for nothing.

ie: Will continuely harp on Trillion $ deficit he took over from the past-but say nothing about doubling it in his 1st 30 days.

Will say nothing about his biggest increase spending in socialistic programs--will tell you how they are the prob and his intent to cut them.

Nothing will be his fault--not the fact that 3 largest drops in market have came after he won election-after they unvaled their banking plan (or lack thereof) after announcing stimulus plan--

--every major annoucement /decision he has put out has been seen negatively from financial world.
appears no one likes the change or sees the hope.

--but as his rhetoric will dictate--nothings his fault.

You will get the normal dose of projections void of facts--and plenty of "we will"-but no "we have"

When he's telling how future tax receipts will cut deficit--you might ask yourself what future tax receipts will be--

When he's speaking of cutting expenses on Medicare and Medicaid--you might consider his answer is adding more and bigger gov run Universal healthcare-sound feasible?

--I just hope he doesn't mention his little meeting with his energy secretary-Clinton and Gore yeterday--and what their intentions are--or you will see 500 drop in market tomorrow--buts its coming--and it will be the nail in the coffin-

Just finished reading reviews--will skip the conservative rants and use liberal A.P. to see how their take compares with anticipated review above.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090225/ap_on_bi_st_ma_re/wall_street
Wall Street points lower after Obama speech

By MADLEN READ and TIM PARADIS, AP Business Writers Madlen Read And Tim Paradis, Ap Business Writers ? Wed Feb 25, 12:05 am ET

NEW YORK ? U.S. futures pointed lower after President Barack Obama's address to Congress Tuesday evening, as investors didn't get the specifics they hoped for on the government's plan to rescue troubled banks.
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A.P grading on hope/change rhetoric vs facts

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/fact_check_obama
FACT CHECK: Obama's words on home aid ring hollow.

OBAMA: "We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values."

THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn't said so.

OBAMA: "We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before."

THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades

OBAMA: "We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade."

THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don't mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.
Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won't be 10 years from now.

OBAMA: "Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn't afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day."

THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn't only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation.

OBAMA: "In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't need them. We'll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas."

THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That's all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama's proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress.

Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past.

OBAMA: "Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation's supply of renewable energy in the next three years."

THE FACTS: While the president's stimulus package includes billions in aid for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone.

In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources, including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent.

If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks.

OBAMA: "Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs."

THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.

The president's own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error."

Beyond that, it's unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it's clear when jobs are abolished, there's no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus.
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So appears I didn't miss anything by not viewing-other than the huge Dem majority probably standing and cheering at ever word :)

--but did come away with one pleasant surprise--and that being even some liberal media is now taking him to task and holding him accountable--
--appears the days of ruling on hope/change rhetoric may be coming to a close.
 

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--I just hope he doesn't mention his little meeting with his energy secretary-Clinton and Gore yeterday--and what their intentions are--or you will see 500 drop in market tomorrow--buts its coming--and it will be the nail in the coffin-

market up today, hoss. :shrug:
 

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Your DXO was up Smurph
UGA up 1.27

I believe oil will back to 60 by July.

Still like UGA (gas)better- as one thing looks crystal clear to me this admin will drive price of gas up--to offset their costly green agenda to consumer.
They will put in gas tax within next 2 years almost certainly.

sold one of my few other U.S.. stocks couple weeks ago-MO (Phillip Morris) had been great stock with nice regular div--but even the best companies can't handle 100% tax increase on products and gov now letting them reopen litigation suits that had previously been ruled in their favor.

I wonder what they have in mind to bring one of few still profitable companies (Walmart) down--other than their union drive.

Unfortunately the only companies that could profit from their agenda are those that never made a penny--as based primarily on hype--as their agenda-

Can't see friendly corp environment in near future or long term--and will invest according.
 

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Didn't notice much stuttering or mispronunciating or misunderestimating or in general cowboy hick dumbassness from the new commander in chief.


I took no solace in being smarter or more eloquent or articulate than the last fool.

The president should be smarter than the average American

After 8 years of a president that should not have left home without a helmet all I can say is..


Free at Last.. Free at Last, thank god almighty Bush cheney and Rummy are in the past!!!:00hour :mj07: :mj06:
 
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Didn't notice much stuttering or mispronunciating or misunderestimating or in general cowboy hick dumbassness from the new commander in chief.


I took no solace in being smarter or more eloquent or articulate than the last fool.

The president should be smarter than the average American

After 8 years of a president that should not have left home without a helmet all I can say is..


Free at Last.. Free at Last, thank god almighty Bush cheney and Rummy are in the past!!!:00hour :mj07: :mj06:

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clem

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Well finally got to views parts of speech last night-on news replays.

Noticed 2 things in particular--

1st was Pelosi's performance--haven't seen anything like that since seal act at Sea World. :)
--visual
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0z2JyMssSo

2nd Was O's continued reminder of what he inheirited as excuse for any failures.

Correct me in I'm wrong but don't believe I heard GW whine about recession he inheirited--nor prior admin gutting defence and ignoring 1st attack by UBL after 911.

As matter of fact GW ran budget surplus until after 911 despite recession. Surprised?
A lot most would be surprised about if they looked at facts--vs liberals rewriting history.

On rewriting history--lets look at the #'s-again vs perceived notion the media has projected.

http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN0454704720080204

Following are White House figures for budget surpluses or
deficits for the budget years 1985-2007, and the latest
projections from both CBO and the White House. The government's fiscal year runs from Oct. 1 through Sept.
30. BUDGET YEAR SURPLUS OR DEFICIT (-) AS PCT OF GDP
2007 -$162.0 bln -1.2
2006 -$248.2 bln -1.9
2005 -$318.3 bln -2.6
2004 -$412.7 bln -3.6
2003 -$377.6 bln -3.5
2002 -$157.8 bln -1.5
2001 $128.2 bln 1.3
2000 $236.2 bln 2.4
1999 $125.6 bln 1.4
1998 $ 69.3 bln 0.8
1997 -$ 21.9 bln -0.3
1996 -$107.4 bln -1.4
1995 -$164.0 bln -2.2
1994 -$203.2 bln -2.9
1993 -$255.1 bln -3.9
1992 -$290.3 bln -4.7

Lets see if we can add a few other facts to above time line.

Billy Bob started with Dem congress in 92--folks weren't too happy with combination and Rebs gain control of congress picking up 54 seats in house and 8 in senate in 94 midtern elections.
They did with their campaign of "Contract with America" which was promise to curb spending and balance budget. Note time line of budget reduction and eventual surplus--to which the liberal media gave credit to--Bill of course. :)

--and while on media deception--how many articles have you seen giving Billy Bob kudos for his Welfare Reform?--wrong again
--wasn't Billy Bob was Reb congress--matter of fact Billy Bob vetoed it twice before finally conceding.

We report-you decide :)
 

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anticpated preview of tonights speech--

Can project it to be summed up as follows--

Mr Hope will again have on his Dr Doom face.
Will lay all probs on some else and take responsibilty for nothing.

ie: Will continuely harp on Trillion $ deficit he took over from the past-but say nothing about doubling it in his 1st 30 days.

Will say nothing about his biggest increase spending in socialistic programs--will tell you how they are the prob and his intent to cut them.

Nothing will be his fault--not the fact that 3 largest drops in market have came after he won election-after they unvaled their banking plan (or lack thereof) after announcing stimulus plan--

--every major annoucement /decision he has put out has been seen negatively from financial world.
appears no one likes the change or sees the hope.

--but as his rhetoric will dictate--nothings his fault.

You will get the normal dose of projections void of facts--and plenty of "we will"-but no "we have"

When he's telling how future tax receipts will cut deficit--you might ask yourself what future tax receipts will be--
When he's speaking of cutting expenses on Medicare and Medicaid--you might consider his answer is adding more and bigger gov run Universal healthcare-sound feasible?

--I just hope he doesn't mention his little meeting with his energy secretary-Clinton and Gore yeterday--and what their intentions are--or you will see 500 drop in market tomorrow--buts its coming--and it will be the nail in the coffin-

Probably O's biggest deception is jobs that will be created (other than gov) and per above his distortion of how it will be paid for--Found this today in WSJ that details what I've been preaching.

Now to put this into prespective- consider O's rant on fiscal responsiblity then passing largest spending bill in history--followed by largest budget in history :)

FEBRUARY 26, 2009, 3:47 A.M. ET

The 2% Illusion
Take everything they earn, and it still won't be enough.
President Obama has laid out the most ambitious and expensive domestic agenda since LBJ, and now all he has to do is figure out how to pay for it. On Tuesday, he left the impression that we need merely end "tax breaks for the wealthiest 2% of Americans," and he promised that households earning less than $250,000 won't see their taxes increased by "one single dime."


This is going to be some trick. Even the most basic inspection of the IRS income tax statistics shows that raising taxes on the salaries, dividends and capital gains of those making more than $250,000 can't possibly raise enough revenue to fund Mr. Obama's new spending ambitions.

Consider the IRS data for 2006, the most recent year that such tax data are available and a good year for the economy and "the wealthiest 2%." Roughly 3.8 million filers had adjusted gross incomes above $200,000 in 2006. (That's about 7% of all returns; the data aren't broken down at the $250,000 point.) These people paid about $522 billion in income taxes, or roughly 62% of all federal individual income receipts. The richest 1% -- about 1.65 million filers making above $388,806 -- paid some $408 billion, or 39.9% of all income tax revenues, while earning about 22% of all reported U.S. income.

Note that federal income taxes are already "progressive" with a 35% top marginal rate, and that Mr. Obama is (so far) proposing to raise it only to 39.6%, plus another two percentage points in hidden deduction phase-outs. He'd also raise capital gains and dividend rates, but those both yield far less revenue than the income tax. These combined increases won't come close to raising the hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue that Mr. Obama is going to need.

But let's not stop at a 42% top rate; as a thought experiment, let's go all the way. A tax policy that confiscated 100% of the taxable income of everyone in America earning over $500,000 in 2006 would only have given Congress an extra $1.3 trillion in revenue. That's less than half the 2006 federal budget of $2.7 trillion and looks tiny compared to the more than $4 trillion Congress will spend in fiscal 2010. Even taking every taxable "dime" of everyone earning more than $75,000 in 2006 would have barely yielded enough to cover that $4 trillion.
Fast forward to this year (and 2010) when the Wall Street meltdown and recession are going to mean far few taxpayers earning more than $500,000. Profits are plunging, businesses are cutting or eliminating dividends, hedge funds are rolling up, and, most of all, capital nationwide is on strike. Raising taxes now will thus yield far less revenue than it would have in 2006.

Mr. Obama is of course counting on an economic recovery. And he's also assuming along with the new liberal economic consensus that taxes don't matter to growth or job creation. The truth, though, is that they do. Small- and medium-sized businesses are the nation's primary employers, and lower individual tax rates have induced thousands of them to shift from filing under the corporate tax system to the individual system, often as limited liability companies or Subchapter S corporations. The Tax Foundation calculates that merely restoring the higher, Clinton-era tax rates on the top two brackets would hit 45% to 55% of small-business income, depending on how inclusively "small business" is defined. These owners will find a way to declare less taxable income.

The bottom line is that Mr. Obama is selling the country on a 2% illusion. Unwinding the U.S. commitment in Iraq and allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire can't possibly pay for his agenda. Taxes on the not-so-rich will need to rise as well.

On that point, by the way, it's unclear why Mr. Obama thinks his climate-change scheme won't hit all Americans with higher taxes. Selling the right to emit greenhouse gases amounts to a steep new tax on most types of energy and, therefore, on all Americans who use energy. There's a reason that Charlie Rangel's Ways and Means panel, which writes tax law, is holding hearings this week on cap-and-trade regulation.
Mr. Obama is very good at portraying his agenda as nothing more than center-left pragmatism. But pragmatists don't ignore the data. And the reality is that the only way to pay for Mr. Obama's ambitions is to reach ever deeper into the pockets of the American middle class
 

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he did inherit a fuked up mess :shrug:

he can't win. if things don't work out it's his fault and if things DO work out Bush will get the credit.

:sadwave:

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Billy Bob started with Dem congress in 92--folks weren't too happy with combination and Rebs gain control of congress picking up 54 seats in house and 8 in senate in 94 midtern elections.
They did with their campaign of "Contract with America" which was promise to curb spending and balance budget. Note time line of budget reduction and eventual surplus--to which the liberal media gave credit to--Bill of course. :)

--and while on media deception--how many articles have you seen giving Billy Bob kudos for his Welfare Reform?--wrong again
--wasn't Billy Bob was Reb congress--matter of fact Billy Bob vetoed it twice before finally conceding.

We report-you decide :)

So then you are saying that the recession that Bush inhereted was the fault of the Republican Congress? Or are you just talking out of both sides of your mouth again?
 

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believe I said "numerous times" dot.com bust "recession" was neither Bill nor Gw's fault--it was product of environment at time. Can you not remeber anything--apparently not as I see its been only a month since we had thread on what caused financial collapse--and as usual--you all disappeared and return with yada yada--would youlike me to bump that thread and give you 2nd chance.

--I didn't think so :)

--and while were on it--I don't to any contradictions to above--per facts on O speach--or data on chart :shrug:
I'll give it day or so and add to the archives if no facts to the contrary ;)
 
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