MadJack, will all due respect to you and your site, the reason for the service forum was as I explained to Glenn. I liked and enjoyed seeing what some of these so called pros had to say and see how I measured up to their selections when I made my wagers. I did not want to get nailed twice once by paying these pros and losing not only my plays, but paying to see theirs. Yes I could go to your NFL forum but that is just your people picking games, just like myself picking games there is no tract record with these people as far as I know. But I might be wrong, would be the frist time I think. I respect you and what you do, and I understand some what your desire to kill those services, I just you would not have done it. And Glenn if you know where to find Dr. Bob on another site I would appreciate it. Because so far I have been doing better then his picks and want to see how I fair at the end of the year. And to those of you that have gotten real personal with me in a negative way, get a life and back off, life is way to short to take any of this that serious. And the drug was cialis sorry no roofies