USC VS. UCLA game discussion

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Oregon State beat USC and UCLA beat Oregon State, so by the transitive property (were you awake for that one in math class?), UCLA will beat USC on Saturday and deny the Trojans a chance to play for the national championship. Well, Bruins fans can always dream. And if there's any chance of turning the dream into reality, Oregon State football coach Mike Riley is the one to consult.

After all, Riley's team defeated USC, 33-31, for the Trojans' only loss this season. Two weeks later, Riley's team lost to UCLA, 25-7. So earlier this week, we spoke to Oregon State's coach, and he discussed the blueprint for beating USC and what UCLA must do if it hopes to pull off the upset.

OVERVIEW

Riley: "The best way to start out when talking about that is it took probably our best game from everybody's vantage point. You're never going to have a perfect game, but we took care of the football. We won the turnover battle, which is probably as big a factor as anything. We had a big play on special teams for a touchdown. The third part of that is we had a good third quarter. A lot of teams have stayed with some very good teams like SC to halftime. And then they come out, get down to business in the third quarter. We actually scored 17 points against them in the third quarter, which I thought coming out of halftime was huge."

How Oregon State did it: The Beavers committed no turnovers while recovering three USC fumbles and intercepting one pass. They scored on a 69-yard punt return for a touchdown, scored the first 17 points of the second half and outscored USC in the third quarter, 17-7.

UCLA's challenge: Winning the turnover battle is a realistic goal for the Bruins. This season, they are plus-6 on turnovers. UCLA hasn't been impressive in third quarters. The Bruins have outscored only four of their 11 opponents in the period. Other than the Oregon State game, the Trojans have been outscored in the third quarter only one other time ? by Arizona State, 14-0, in a 28-21 USC victory.

OFFENSE

Riley: "Balance. Absolutely, balance. I would never want to play a one-dimensional game against USC. So I think a combination of effective runs, including draw plays, and some passing that mixes in some deep shots. If you sit down too low on them all the time, those talented DBs just start squatting on you and then you're in trouble. Now, can (UCLA) mix it up well enough offensively to make plays against them? That'll be the key. They've got to have a mixture, I think, to challenge that defense."

How Oregon State did it: Oregon State ran the ball 35 times and passed the ball 32 times against USC. The Beavers amassed 400 yards in total offense, rushing for 138 yards and passing for 262 yards.

UCLA's challenge: The Bruins have been reasonably balanced on offense. Unfortunately, that means they've been just as mediocre at throwing the ball as they have been at running it. UCLA ranks an unimpressive 70th nationally in total offense. Not only that, USC's defense is looking better and better. In their past four games, the Trojans shut out Stanford, held Oregon to 10 points, held Cal to nine points and limited Notre Dame to just 10 points in the first half.

DEFENSE

Riley: "The thing that we always think about anybody, especially a team like that, is a mixture of either coverage or pressure. When you do pressure them, the danger is getting matched up against their top receivers. They got some plays on us in the fourth quarter. They got some one-on-one plays on the outside. They just made the plays. Good throw, good catch. So when you do pressure them, you've got to win part of those battles covering those good receivers. One thing UCLA does, they have a good defense with some quality athletes. They're very athletic on the edge of their defense. Those guys are good players and they make a lot of plays. They also scheme it up just enough to cause you some problems. You have to read what they're doing. And you've go to find some spots and they'll jump into two-deep or three-deep and/or zone-blitz."

How Oregon State did it: The Beavers limited USC to 102 yards rushing while jumping out to a 33-10 lead in the third quarter. Sure, they gave up 406 yards passing. But after falling behind, USC had no choice but to pass. And Oregon State did a reasonably good job under the circumstances, sacking USC quarterback John David Booty twice and intercepting him once.

UCLA's challenge: The Bruins have two of the top pass rushers in the country in Justin Hickman and Bruce Davis. Hickman ranks second nationally with 12? sacks and Davis ranks third with 11?. And under first-year defensive coordinator Dwayne Walker, the Bruins have made dramatic improvement. Sacking Booty is one thing. Stopping USC receivers Dwayne Jarrett and Steve Smith is another.

AND THE WINNER IS ?

Riley: "I think USC's going to win. I got a chance to watch a good bit of that Notre Dame game (a 44-24 USC win.) They looked really confident, and they look like they're rolling. I just think that they had that look about them the other night that they're getting ready to play for another national championship."

Josh Peter is a writer for Yahoo! Sports.
 

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Glad i got UCLA at +13.5 two day ago.. now seeing 12.5 >> should be quite the game. this is UCLA's super bowl:SIB
 

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:nono: :nono: :nono:

Why do you quote ME and say MY post was off topic? That was post #35 in the thread and I quoted another poster in the thread and replied.

Below is post #18 which I quoted earlier in the thread and post #34 which I just quoted and replied too that you must have felt were both ON TOPIC! :142smilie

Not too bright to single me out for being off topic.
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No offense bud. I didn't mean to single you out.
I was just suggesting that the whole argument at hand(USC vs Texas) has nothing to do with the game ...thats all.


Fight on!
 
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Good discussion here, guys, for the most part. Have been wrestling with this game, and honestly have that 2 yr ago game in my head, as it cost me backing the Trojans. This game does kind of have that feel to it, thinking the Trojans should roll, and then they do nothing early, the Bruins get a break or two, and I'm yelling at the TV.

I THINK the Trojans should be good enough on both sides of the ball to win by 2 TDs, but I think the string of big games has to take its toll at some point, whether they are peaking or not.

I cannot see how UCLA will score much in this game. Can't get past that.

Therefore, leaning to the under, which should protect the investment, whether it's a head scratcher or a Trojan romp.
 

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UCLA keeps it close first half on emotion after last years bloodbath....

USC smokes their ass second half after pep talk



Championship game Ohio State 48 USC 44

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That is prob. the likely scenario. USC won't match up to UCLA's emotion in the 1h. PC never hypes a game. USC subconsciously might be emotionally drained from playing Oregon, CAL, and ND 3 straight weeks. However, USC has had a great week of practice. So maybe not. After the Oregon game, USC has been practicing and playing with a swagger.

Unfortunately for UCLA, if they come out with too much emotion in the 1h, it will have a negative impact in the 2h. On top of that, USC is the deeper team and better conditioned team. Along with 2h coaching adjustments, USC will be too much for UCLA in the 2h.

I think the ONLY negative argument you can make against USC is BOOTY and him not being consistent. It seems like he cannot play great all 4 quarters. He seems to always have 1 brutal quarter. I MEAN BRUTAL! It might not cost USC a win against UCLA, but it def. might cost USC a cover. If Booty avoids that bad quarter, USC wins BIG! If UCLA turns it over, GAME OVER!

I just took USC ML -440 @pinny. -650 too much, -440 is exactly what I was looking for. Actually -400 but -440 is ok.

JUST WIN BABY! :spotting:
 
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No offense bud. I didn't mean to single you out.
I was just suggesting that the whole argument at hand(USC vs Texas) has nothing to do with the game ...thats all.


Fight on!

I didn't appreciate you singling me out for being off topic when others who I was quoting were off topic first.

No hard feelings. Just disagreed with your post.

:toast: to USC and their great season. Win today and USC is in the BCS NC game in a rebuilding year!
We are lucky to be USC fans!
 

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People were bashing me for predicting USC would win out after the Oregon St lose. Well just 1 more to go.

Fight on!

Best of luck
 

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People were bashing me for predicting USC would win out after the Oregon St lose. Well just 1 more to go.

Fight on!

Best of luck

I remember you saying that. I also posted saying USC will be a machine at the end of the season like they always are.

USC fans seem to always get the last laugh! ;)
 

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If Booty avoids that bad quarter, USC wins BIG! If UCLA turns it over, GAME OVER!


I just hope the turnovers that UCLA may have aren't UNFORCED... because we all know that if UCLA has any UNFORCED turnovers, or gives up a special teams touchdown, those don't really count.....

And if that is the case, how would we ever know who should have won the game???? :mj07:
 

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I just hope the turnovers that UCLA may have aren't UNFORCED... because we all know that if UCLA has any UNFORCED turnovers, or gives up a special teams touchdown, those don't really count.....

And if that is the case, how would we ever know who should have won the game???? :mj07:

Of course. If UCLA has 2 unforced turnovers, and USC wins by 3pts, that would tell me that UCLA was prob. the better team that day. UCLA prob. would have or should have won that game!

UNFORCED turnovers are not part of the game. They are gifts. If USC needed 2 unforced turnovers to beat UCLA by 7pts or less, that says USC was not very good today. UCLA prob. would have won without unforced turnovers.
 

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Of course. If UCLA has 2 unforced turnovers, and USC wins by 3pts, that would tell me that UCLA was prob. the better team that day. UCLA prob. would have or should have won that game!

UNFORCED turnovers are not part of the game. They are gifts. If USC needed 2 unforced turnovers to beat UCLA by 7pts or less, that says USC was not very good today. UCLA prob. would have won without unforced turnovers.

Actually I strongly disagree with this statement. If a team makes UNFORCED turnovers as you state, that says a lot about the team making the turnovers.

In other words, you fumble the QB snap (unforced) means you are not concentrating, and not a good team (at least on that play).

In fact, one could argue that EVERY interception thrown is UNFORCED - because the QB has a choice to throw the ball, take the sack, or throw it out of bounds. He makes a bad decision to throw it in a bad place.... definitely an UNFORCED turnover - a stupid play by the QB (just like a botched QB snap)...

You see how ridiculous this UNFORCED stuff is? And the whole LOSER argument, stating WHEN you lose is so much more important than WHO you lose to is the same crap....

Maybe you'll realize how dumb you sound when you say those things and capitalize them.... and maybe if you stop the whole MJ's board (other than Tulah) will get off your a**

Scott - you could actually have some credibility if you drop this UNFORCED and LOSER stuff.....

All that happens between the lines is part of the game...

Good luck to your team.. it actually may end up being a good game.....
 

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Santa,

All I want for Christmas is for USC to get their brains beat in.

Thankyou,
Little Johnny

MAYBE, just MAYBE if we are all wishing the same thing, Santa will hear us and give us what we're asking for....

GO UCLA!
 

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Actually I strongly disagree with this statement. If a team makes UNFORCED turnovers as you state, that says a lot about the team making the turnovers.

In other words, you fumble the QB snap (unforced) means you are not concentrating, and not a good team (at least on that play).

I agree with that to an extent. But shouldn't you hold div. 1a players accountable? Starting div. 1a players? Unforced turnovers are gifts to opposing team. Opposing team did not earn that turnover. That is my argument.

In fact, one could argue that EVERY interception thrown is UNFORCED - because the QB has a choice to throw the ball, take the sack, or throw it out of bounds. He makes a bad decision to throw it in a bad place.... definitely an UNFORCED turnover - a stupid play by the QB (just like a botched QB snap)...

I disagree. A fumble can be caused by contact. An INT may be thrown because of pressure, defensive scheme (confusing QB), or just a great play on the ball. Those are not unforced turnovers. A RB dropping the ball before contact is an unforced turnover. Snapping the ball over the QB's head is unforced turnover. QB fumbling the snap is unforced turnover.

You see how ridiculous this UNFORCED stuff is? And the whole LOSER argument, stating WHEN you lose is so much more important than WHO you lose to is the same crap....

If a team loses early, they have a chance to redeem themselves. If USC lost to Oregon St. the week prior to ND, they would be out of the BCS NC hunt. USC lost @OSU early in year, or midway pt. Michigan lost at the end of the year with NO CHANCE to redeem themselves. Only way Michigan can redeem themselves is for voters to reward the LOSER a trip to the BCS NC game.

Maybe you'll realize how dumb you sound when you say those things and capitalize them.... and maybe if you stop the whole MJ's board (other than Tulah) will get off your a**

I welcome anybody here on MJ's to challenge me on my point of view.


Good luck to your team.. it actually may end up being a good game.....

Thanks! It might be. Cross town rival is pretty unique in college football. Hopefully USC doesn't have any UNFORCED turnovers. ;)

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Sorry, but this is probably the stupidest thing I have ever read on this site.

Why do you feel unforced turnovers are part of the game? I believe turnovers are part of the game, but unforced turnovers should not happen. Take Ohio St. Michigan game. Michigan would have been BLOWN OUT if OSU didn't have 2 unforced turnovers. Does that mean Michigan is so great because they lost to OSU by 3pts? WITH OSU HAVING 2 UNFORCED TURNOVERS?

Think about it. Ohio St. having 2 unforced turnovers falsely allowed Michigan to look good and kept Michigan in the game, and gave Michigan the opportunity to lose by only 3pts.

Unforced turnovers should not be expected and if they happen (which they will), they should be NOTED!

Funny I never read someone give analysis saying they expect "so and so" to commit unforced turnovers. If unforced turnovers were part of the game, why doesn't anyone mention it in their analysis? Just one time?

I also wonder if any head coaches tell their team at half time to go out there in the 2h and collect some unforced turnovers from the opposing team. :142smilie
 
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