quanell x or whatever tf his name is thinks he did act outside the law, so that must be the case.
I wonder what would happen if these televangelists, activitsts, and minority rights leaders ever had to get a real job to support themselves??
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quanell x or whatever tf his name is thinks he did act outside the law, so that must be the case.
I wonder what would happen if these televangelists, activitsts, and minority rights leaders ever had to get a real job to support themselves??
mahoney... what if he would have shot an undercover HE called to come check the robbery out?
Guess what... he would have been within the law on that too... if this is what you are saying the law is.
Deadly force to protect property????
Texas is F'ing stupid for this law.
I see some litigation coming from this...
DAMNIT... the more i think about it... the more i get pissed off...
One of my friends got car jacked... well... someone tried to carjack him. He jumped out and started beating the shit out him... and beating his head on the ground. Ended up killing the guy.
Got manslaughter in the 2nd i think...
ended up serving a yr.
and this guy can shoot a guy that is robbing not HIS house... but a neighbor....? And... he shot the guys in the back... ?
Plus... I heard gunshots then 10 seconds later the cops were telling him to lay on the ground...
I wonder if they say this happen?
They might have fast forwarded the tape or something... so correct me if i'm wrong
Guess what... he would have been within the law on that too... if this is what you are saying the law is.
Deadly force to protect property????
Texas is F'ing stupid for this law.
I see some litigation coming from this...
DAMNIT... the more i think about it... the more i get pissed off...
One of my friends got car jacked... well... someone tried to carjack him. He jumped out and started beating the shit out him... and beating his head on the ground. Ended up killing the guy.
Got manslaughter in the 2nd i think...
ended up serving a yr.
and this guy can shoot a guy that is robbing not HIS house... but a neighbor....? And... he shot the guys in the back... ?
Plus... I heard gunshots then 10 seconds later the cops were telling him to lay on the ground...
I wonder if they say this happen?
They might have fast forwarded the tape or something... so correct me if i'm wrong
You can come up with hypotheticals all day long. But they don't fit what happened here. Kids selling cookies or brothers in law trying to enter would stop and explain themselves if challenged. These were thieves. You wait for the cops to show up, chances are their too late. And generally they share your opinion that property doesn't matter. Horn acted reasonably and legally. Whether the cops yield to the old ethnic shakedown remains to be seen. I don't think they will.
You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree. A man's property is as much a part of him as his arms and legs. If he can keep it by defending it, more power to him. Report stolen property to the cops - they recover it maybe 1 out of 100 times?
Your friend is a man, and I commend him. You play the victim, he might have ended up getting raped and murdered like Channon Christian and Chris Newsom. Google them if you want a true horror story that's been kept off the national radar.
It's called community. You look out for each other. That's how it's supposed to work. You rely on the goverment for help, but the government lets in these illegals. Now I don't know if these were actually illegals. It says they are black, but they have Mexican names. I'm just saying that too many times illegals commit felonies and flee to Mexico. That didn't happen here because of Joe Horn. The fact that the cops are a standing force in no way prejudices the citizens' rights to defend themselves.
and by the way... this isn't the old west anymore... we aren't controlled by britain...
Thats why the US has updated their laws from the old common laws...
And let me ask you something... if this is such a good law... how come every state hasn't enacted it.
If you read through the prior posts on this threads... I posted some comments directly out of my criminal law book. copyright is '03.
Thats why the US has updated their laws from the old common laws...
And let me ask you something... if this is such a good law... how come every state hasn't enacted it.
If you read through the prior posts on this threads... I posted some comments directly out of my criminal law book. copyright is '03.
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Found this on the net.
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/gunlaws.html#section4
Deadly Force to Protect Property
(Texas Penal Code)
(Briggs p. 96)
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means."
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"
Protection of the Property of Others
(Texas Penal Code)
(Briggs p. 97)
"A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect the property of a third person if he reasonably believes he would be justified to use similar force to protect his own property, and he reasonably believes that there existed an attempt or actual commission of the crime of theft or criminal mischief."
"Also, a person is justified in using force or deadly force if he reasonably believes that the third person has requested his protection of property; or he has a legal duty to protect the property; or the third person whose property he is protecting is his spouse, parent or child."
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/gunlaws.html#section4
Deadly Force to Protect Property
(Texas Penal Code)
(Briggs p. 96)
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means."
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"
Protection of the Property of Others
(Texas Penal Code)
(Briggs p. 97)
"A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect the property of a third person if he reasonably believes he would be justified to use similar force to protect his own property, and he reasonably believes that there existed an attempt or actual commission of the crime of theft or criminal mischief."
"Also, a person is justified in using force or deadly force if he reasonably believes that the third person has requested his protection of property; or he has a legal duty to protect the property; or the third person whose property he is protecting is his spouse, parent or child."
It's much wilder and less law abiding than the Wild West, that's for sure. A disarmed society is a dangerous society.
People don't think the same way.
If they had anything to throw at this guy, they would have already. It's possible Qarnell (sp?) can levy enough pressure to bring about a political prosecution but it's quite clear that Horn acted within his rights. If you don't like Texas law, move there and lobby to change it.
I agree with you...
This is going to turn into a political confrontation JUST because the guys he killed were black.
What if it was a black guy that killed the two black suspects?
OR
What if it was two white suspects.. would this ordeal being heading in the same direction?
I believe if they cannot get a criminal prosecution... this will head into civil court. Litigation is almost imminent.
This is going to turn into a political confrontation JUST because the guys he killed were black.
What if it was a black guy that killed the two black suspects?
OR
What if it was two white suspects.. would this ordeal being heading in the same direction?
I believe if they cannot get a criminal prosecution... this will head into civil court. Litigation is almost imminent.
You guys worry too much.
I promise you that if MORE of this shit went on around the country LESS of the other shit WOULD!
You guys all talk about taking back our country.........and I guess that's all it is. Talk.
This guy is no threat to anyone, for Christ's sake! You act liike he's driving around town with a gun out the fuking window!
He sounds just like my dad, and probably most of YOUR dads if you're my age or a little older. A guy who is sick of watching his world get eaten up by assholes who have no respect for anyone anymore.
Me? I don't have to worry about getting shot by that guy.........I ain't robbin' someone's house.
I promise you that if MORE of this shit went on around the country LESS of the other shit WOULD!
You guys all talk about taking back our country.........and I guess that's all it is. Talk.
This guy is no threat to anyone, for Christ's sake! You act liike he's driving around town with a gun out the fuking window!
He sounds just like my dad, and probably most of YOUR dads if you're my age or a little older. A guy who is sick of watching his world get eaten up by assholes who have no respect for anyone anymore.
Me? I don't have to worry about getting shot by that guy.........I ain't robbin' someone's house.
agree... back then it was eye for an eye... tooth for a tooth....
You can't just go around shooting people!
and I agreed w/ him about the political side of the thing... not the wild wild west =]
You can't just go around shooting people!
and I agreed w/ him about the political side of the thing... not the wild wild west =]
I guess we just roll over while the fuking animals among us grow more brazen? Yeah.....that's been workin' out real fine for the past few decades.
Where are you going to steal cheese from, Jack? The mouse trap that ain't set, or the one ready to snap your neck?
You're only this passive because you haven't had enough shit taken from you yet.
Again.........He isn't "going around shooting people".
Where are you going to steal cheese from, Jack? The mouse trap that ain't set, or the one ready to snap your neck?
You're only this passive because you haven't had enough shit taken from you yet.
Again.........He isn't "going around shooting people".
whats makes you think the crime rate has been rising?
since 1980... it has been on a stead incline...
Property and violent side..
check out the UCR(uniform crime report)
If you can't dig it up... I will post the stats and percentages...
I am a crim major and as a matter of fact I just had a final in juvenile delinquency today...
since 1980... it has been on a stead incline...
Property and violent side..
check out the UCR(uniform crime report)
If you can't dig it up... I will post the stats and percentages...
I am a crim major and as a matter of fact I just had a final in juvenile delinquency today...
So a few innocents get killed by guy's like joe, on the other hand many more get robbed and killed by those predetors like joe took out. Congrats joe and I will take my chances with you rather than the ever growing criminal element in our society!
yes, it could have affected him...if these guys weren't caught, they may return to his house and rob him or another neighbor because they knew they could get away with it in that neighborhood...if they were caught, they would have sat in jail for a week and then been right back out on the streets.
not saying the guy should've killed them, but people commit crimes in this country because the punishment isn't harsh enough...murderers sit in jail and some have a better life in jail than they do on the streets, they get 3 meals a day, hot showers, cable tv, recreational activities, a bed, a roof over their head...if someone is 100% guilty of murder, rape, or molesting a child then they should be killed that same day...we, taxpayers, don't need to pay for them to live in prison and sit on death row for 15 years
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