Why OSU does not deserve to be #2

[Scott4USC]

Nickelback

I clearly disagree with you Michigan has a better/same offense as USC.

I would not trade any of USC's "stud" freshman RB's for Perry on Michigan. I have seen Perry play and he is very good but look at what all 3 of USC RB's have done and if you have seen them, you know they are special. 1 fumble all year from USC RB's (unfortunately that 1 was against CAL on goaline in OT). Bush lightning quick and can play WR with excellent hands (will win a Heismon), Lendale White the bruising RB with speed (set 2 all time frosh single game rushing yards for USC), and Hershall Dennis a very good all around back.
White= 5.8 ypc 113 car
Dennis= 5.0 ypc 115 car
Bush= 5.7 ypc 70 car & 8 receptions for 192 yards (multiple threat)

Would I trade Mike Williams and Colbert for any of Michigan WR's? NO WAY. :lol: NO CONTEST!

QB's Lienart vs Navarre? ummm, NO WAY, :lol: Lienart has not choked in big games this year, Navarre has choked many times. Lienart has not thrown an INT in the last 5-6 games. Look at their stats and Lienart is even considered longshot for Heisman. Better #'s than Palmer and has thrown 100 less passes.

Tight ends I might give Michigan the edge but to be honest i do not know any of Michigan's tight ends. How good are they? USC lost #1 and #2 tight ends to injury but still getting production with 3rd stringer.

NORM CHOW AS OC vs whoever is Michigan OC??? ummmm, NO CONTEST! I think 90% fans across the nation would take CHOW.

Lets see, how about head coaches. Carroll has won big games, Carr has lost many big games. Carroll has never lost in November. I have much more faith in Carroll, plus USC makes awesome 2h adjustments and i cannot say the same for Michigan. Also Carr plays conservative in big games and often gets out coached.

Do I think Michigan is good/great team? YES

I do not think Michigan is better than USC Nickelback. If you think they are, make your point on why. Vegas agrees with me as they have USC a 7pt + favorite over either school.

I am not overly impressed with Michigans play the last few weeks. They beat a Michigan St. team 27-20 who is not that good of a team. Northwestern and Illinois are not good teams. Beating Purdue was impressive.

You cannot tell me you would trade players from Michigan offense for anyone on USC offense. What unit? What coaches? Where are the advantages that Michigan has over USC? Tell me, don't just say it.

Another note, the ND coaching staff has said USC is more talented team than Michigan. If that has any merit, just wanted to throw that out. Remember, USC and ND are rivals so usually you don't hear those type compliments from your rival.

I would not make the comparison you just made. No way. Some may read this and think I am making USC to be an NFL team. I am not, i am just comparing USC to Michigan, and I don't think anyone can dispute what i just typed. Last year i heard the same statments IOWA was better offensively and bla bla bla. USC proved Iowa wrong in many many ways. They said the exact same statements and made the same silly comparisions Nickelback just made.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!

 

[gman2]

scott:

for starters, dont give me any nonsense that leinart is better than navarre. if its not outright stupid, then its extremely premature.

how many big games has leinart won? that answer is easy. none. granted he hasnt played in any, but the fact remains that any sane person would say that navarre is better than leinart at this point.

do you realize navarre is about to break every single passing record at michigan? when did this guy become a bum? get real.

as far as wide receivers, while williams for usc is a stud, perhaps you need to watch more michigan football. while neither avant nor edwards is a david terrell-type receiver, both compare favorable to the southern cal receivers and breaston is a solid 3rd receiver. if you take a look at the #'s, williams and edwards are almost identical in numbers (both have identical receptions, both have 12 td's, and williams ypc is slightly higher). avant and colbert are similar in numbers as well. ill take williams as the best of the bunch no doubt, but as a tandem or a threesome, both teams are extremely similar.

both teams are very similar on offense, both in style and at the skill positions.

i dont necessarily think michigan has BETTER talent, but they sure as hell have EQUAL talent. on a neutral field, give me michigan to win the game. ive always believed michigan is a top 3 team this year. thats jmo

 

[Nickelback]

If ND and USC are rivals, then what do you think Notre Dame and Michigan are?!?!?! LOL. . . ND and Michigan are the two best college football teams of all time. . . both teams whipped ND at ND so it really doesn't matter who one player/coach thinks is the better team does it? Its all a guess anyways until the actual game is played.

I think Michigan has a more balanced offense. . . advantages? Well, I would start with their RB. Perry is incredible this year. . . great vision and an O line that complements his abilities. If you tell me you would rather have a freshman RB than Perry, you are a homer Scott! Sorry, but just not logical. Big 10 defenses are best known for stopping the run. . . who has really stopped Perry in the Big 10??? Both teams have very talented WRs. . . if you think USC has the more talented receivers, that is your opinion on who you would take!

My argument was based on the fact that if Ohio State could stop Michigan's offense AT (remember I said AT) Michigan where Michigan's offense truly shines, then they could be successful against USC's as well. I never said Michigan was better than USC. . I said I think Michigan's offense is the test to show whether Ohio State's defense is legit. If they are, they can compete with anyone (well, maybe not Oklahoma but they would deserve a shot) in the country because they have all season long (including their loss to Wisconsin)!

Again, my wish would be that Michigan beats Ohio State and LSU sneaks ahead of USC (which I think could very well happen) then Michigan plays USC in the Rose Bowl. If you're telling me that Vegas would give me 7 or more points against USC, I'd happily take them. But lets wait and see what happens. . . we can sit here and think about this all day long but the game needs to be played.

You place USC on a pedestal but if they were THAT good, they would have beaten Cal and been undefeated to avoid all of this controversy! Either way, they placed themselves in this position of having to rely on computers and polls to help them out. The reason Ohio State is ranked higher than USC in the BCS right now is that Ohio State has flat out beaten better teams than USC has. We don't have to determine that for ourselves! The computers have already done so by the numbers.

If Ohio State beats Michigan, they deserve to play OU over USC because they beat better teams. . . it may not have been pretty due to their offensive struggles. . . but it was effective and worked.

Best of luck to USC

 

[Scott4USC]

gman2

You have to remember, USC still has 2 more games left on their schedule, while Michigan has 1 more and USC has sat down the starters early in every game since CAL. Something to consider with the stats.

Lienart has better #'s than Navarre and has played 2 games less. Lienart has played in hostile environment and won. Navarre has not. Lienart is only a soph. and has not thrown an INT in his last 5-6 games. That is very impressive. If I had to choose a QB i would choose Lienart over Navarre. Michigan fans complain Navarre has not won them a big game and many are unsure how he will play. USC fans have confidence in Lienart and he is only a Soph. He played well @ AU (first career start and had ZERO game exp.) and played perfect @ ND (rivalry), and played very well against WSU (top 10 BCS team). Lienart has proven himself and Navarre has not.

Navarre is going to break every single passing record for Michigan. Well thats great, but how come the Michigan fans don't seem to like him or have confidence in him? Also, Michigan is a power running team, so they have not passe the ball much in the last years. Look at USC all time passing leader and look at Michigans all time passing leader. Both school play different style football the last 15 years.

You also left out coaching mismatches. COACHING i think is the most important thing. I have to give USC the clear advantage.

WR's, no way you trade Colbert and WIlliams for Michigans top 2.
Thats just plain silly to compare them. I wonder where USC top 2 WR get drafted and Michigans 2???? Williams would be considered the #1 WR in country if Colbert was not playing opposite of him and taking away catches/opportunities away from him. Colbert is prob. the most under-rated college football WR. #83 for USC.

I don't think Michigan has equal talent. Guess we disagree. I hope Michigan does not lay an egg against OSU. If Michigan has the same talent as USC on offense, then Michigan should score at least 21pts on offense.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bgold13]

gman- Leinart is better than Navarre. Leinart is the most underrated QB in the nation. USC would be dead without Leinart, they stalled and let asu take a lead against them in the 2nd half when Leinart went down, Leinart came back in and SC rolled. Navarre is a great college quarterback as well. I have a lot of respect for these two kids, but I think Leinart is better. Obviously Scotts opinion is bias. I like Michigan a lot, certainly more than I like SC, but Leinart is the man.

As for taking Lendall White or the so called studs SC running backs, well I will take Chris Perry over them anyday of the week, including Saturdays

 

[lenniethelock]

if osu played usc on a neutral field line would be usc by 6 or 7.nuff said

 

[Scott4USC]

Nickelback

Michigan beat ND @ MICHIGAN. USC played @ ND. Big difference. Also USC is ND's biggest rival and ND is USC biggest rival. I also know Michigan also is a rival to ND.

I don't think you can put down USC RB's because they are frosh. RB is the easiest position for a high school athlete to compete at in college as a frosh. If you have seen the USC RB's you will change your opinion. Also, how many yards did Perry have against Oregon? Maybe one of the worst defenses in the pac 10? ummm, let me look it up. Perry had 26 yards in 11 attempts. The guy is a good RB but do not put him ahead of USC RB's simply because he is upperclass man. Reggie Bush was rated a top 100 player of college football before he even stepped on the football field. Thats how much he impressed the espn analysts at practices. Just to give you some insight on Bush talent level who is compared to VICK and FAULK.

Yes the computers do put OSU ahead of USC. Also remember, if the computers did not take out margin of victory, USC would have been much farther ahead of OSU. SO lucky for OSU, margin of victory was taken out years ago. I think how a team beats their opponents should be factored in. Remember, USC could not help it the teams on the their scheduled played poorly. Before the season, USC schedule looked a lot tougher than OSU's. 3/4 OOC teams went to bowl games last year and USC played ND and AU both on road. USC is not HOME GAME U (Ohio St.)!!!!!! :lol:

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!!

 

[gman2]

scott:

where to start?

i couldnt care less if michigan "fans" dont like navarre. fans are just that. "fans". most fans have never stepped foot on a field and are extremely fickle. whatever the media tells them to believe, they believe. bottom line is hes a solid quarterback. you can spin it any way you want, but gimmie navarre and whats hes done over leinart and what he "might do".

im not going to debate coaches. ive always liked carroll. hes a good coach. carr is no bum, but edge to usc there.

as far as receivers go- like i said, you must not watch michigan football much. avant and edwards are very good. im not overly concerned with where guys get drafted. has nothing to do with college productivity. size and potential is what they project in wide receivers. bottom line is top 3 from michigan vs top 3 from usc produce the same numbers. sure williams is the stud among the 6 wr's in this discussion, but both teams just about equal at wide receiver.

im not here to debate your "well usc had one less game and rested starters so their numbers would be better" blah blah blah.

look at the numbers up to this point. the yards per catch are almost identical, so its not difficult to use extrapolation to project whats likely to happen when all is said and done. the wr's numbers are damn near identical.

i dont think you realize how similar these teams are. both are very talented at the same positions.

 

[gman2]

bg:

i still gotta disagree about leinart v. navarre. its not that i dont like leinart. i actually think hes solid. im just one of those people that refuses to form an opinion based on media perception. for whatever reason, the media gives this guy a bad rap. im not saying hes the best qb in the nation. but hes extremely productive and can make all the throws you need to make. i think we can both agree that theyre both good qb's. id just prefer navarre. youd prefer leinart. nothin wrong with that.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Leinhart has alot of potential & has done some good things but lets get real here Scott. Navarre is about to break a couple of UM records & has more experience, especially big game experience. Maybe when Leinhart has played a couple of years he might prove to be better then Navarre, the potential is there but right NOW Navarre is the better QB & any sane person would say that. Experience wins big games!

 

[buckeye fan]

quick thought

quick thought

on navarre.. had nver plyed well in a big game.. we will see this weekend how he fares.. The D will dare him to beat them and if he performs all fo the negativity surrounding him will be gone.. we will see.. that is why they play the games

 

[Scott4USC]

Lienart has performed well @ AU, @ND, and against top 10 WSU (for pac 10 title). He has played in big games and has shined.

The funny thing is I am actually not a real big fan of his. Don't get me wrong, i think he is on fire and great QB but I much prefer Booty and let me tell you, there is a decent chance Lienart may not be the starting QB next year at USC. Wouldn't that be interesting, Lienart wins USC a NC and loses job in spring to Booty. Booty is more talented than Carson Palmer, mobile, and very smart. In practices right now Booty out-shines Lienart. Why is he not playing? Lienart doing extremely well and Booty skipped senior year high school. Young pup. Carroll says nobody has secure job so they will battle it out in Spring and it is going to be a war.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr Hockey]

Wow he shined against a piss poor Arizona team. a bad Notre Dame team, & an overrated Washington State team. What great competition to base your arguement on.

 

[Hotduck]

Everybody talks about the Buckeyes having more home games. Oklahoma has 5 road games as well as Michigan. The Buckeyes would have the same except SDSU sold back there game. It was scheduled to be played in SDSU but for some reason they could or would not play it there. So dont blame OSU for having only 4 away games because it was not the way they scheduled it.

 

[i'm not the one]

posted by scott4usc

USC is not coached by Coker.

USC is more disciplined, 1 fumble all year by RB's and Lienart zero INT's in last 5 games i think. USC should not turn it over 5 times.

because they are not playing good defenses teams!!!!!!

two games that come to mind when facing dominating defenses are 1) osu vs mia mia couldn't handle it and chokes
2) tb vs raiders in super bowl........it don't matter grade school high school college or pro's if you have a kick ass defense that high powered offense will look like they choke, and that is the teams defense.....we had a bad game.......just seems like all "good" teams have bad games when they play a tough D

 

[marine]

Scott,

With your ability to twist everything around making things that are mediocre sound great.... why didnt you run for the governer position in CA?

 

[i'm not the one]

POSTED BY BGOLD13

Ducks got no D and they shut down UM


WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT THE OSU VS MICH GAME THEN?????

osu DOES have a def.

 

[Scott4USC]

i'm not the one

You brought up very good points and I agree with you. I am a big fan of defense wins NC's. GOOD DEFENSE usually beats a GOOD OFFENSE. Pete Carroll understands this and USC this year has a good/great defense along with a great offense. And your examples you gave are very good and valid. I agree with you, I am worried about the Michigan game, because i do not think Michigan is a good as people are saying. I simply do not trust Michigan in big games.

USC has played some good defenses, WSU and @AU are 2 games against 2 good defenses. OSU has played better defensive teams but USC has played agianst better offensive teams. The difference is not matter who USC played they destroyed (except CAL) while OSU struggled against bad/average/good teams and mostly @ HOME.

I thought this was an interesting quote.
UW Head Coach Gilbertson's Vote Goes to the Trojans

INSIDE COLLEGE FOOTBALL

From Times Wire Services

Washington Coach Keith Gilbertson, whose Huskies are the only team to play Ohio State and USC, says it would be an injustice if the Buckeyes were to play in the Sugar Bowl.

"I would clearly say USC [is the better team]," Gilbertson said. "Offensively they have such diversity and dimensions in their offense, the way that they can attack you with the run and pass.

 

[Scott4USC]

USC will play anyone, anytime, anywhere. But no one wants a piece of USC.

I thought Michigan was equal or better talent to USC but they are afraid to play USC next year. USC even offered to play @Michigan. I guess Michigan clearly knows who is the better team because why else would you turn down playing USC @ home. HUGE $$$$$ could be made, but i guess SDSU and Miami Ohio are better OOC opponents to play @ home. Michigan only has 3 OOC games, so easily could add a 4th.

BCA DISCUSSION

USC continues to discuss playing in the Black Coaches Association Classic next August.

USC associate athletic director Daryl Gross said the possibilities are that USC could play a home game, could play in New York, or could not be involved if BCA organizers decide to use Michigan as a host team. USC is willing to play Michigan, even at Ann Arbor, but the Wolverines won't play the Trojans.

Link: http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/o...&subsection=COLLEGE&year=2003&month=11&day=20

Thought this article was interesting and says a lot about Michigan and USC. The difference between the 2 programs. USC wants to settle it on the field but seems like nobody else wants too.

 

[kosar]

yeah, I *guess* it's nuff said, but what do you think the oddmakers would have opened the number at last year if Ohio State would have played the unbeatable Hurricanes on a neutral field?

if osu played usc on a neutral field line would be usc by 6 or 7.nuff said