Christian Pastor plans on burning korans on 9/11

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and you keep hiding you little roach--:wall:

Hows the the funding coming with that monopoly money? Got any more tips for us on $10,000 transfers :142smilie

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I can see I have gotten under your skin pretty easily. Why are you so insecure?

Plus your mouth has gotten incredibly foul lately. Little doggie is about to go postal. :mj07:
 

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illum, I don't think there's many people here or elsewhere, including the President, who don't think people have the right to say what they think and make political or religious statements, including this situation with the minister. You can support protecting the rights of someone to make a point without agreeing with the point.

And I would have a BIG problem if this president, or any other president would come out and say that they support the burning IN THIS COUNTRY of something like a main religious symbol of the second largest religion in the world. Especially considering the possible escalation in terroristic activities that probably will occur perhaps here, and definitely elsewhere that could harm our civilians and soldiers. Sure, soldiers already were in harms way. But they certainly could be in greater danger because of this one self-serving, self-promotional, and possibly economically motivated "event." And that is not acceptable to me, maybe it is to you.

Do you honestly think this situation is worth supporting, all things considered? Publicly, by a President, or other leaders? I don't. I think public reprimands of this person are entirely appropriate, and I'm glad they are happening.

Chad,

How many offensive piecea of GARBAGE (art :shrug: ) have been publicly funded, and someone is offended or doesn't like it they are a homophobe, a bigot or they just don't get it. Really a crucifix in a jar of piss ! Is that art, or just a community college drop out making a weak statement? What if I dropped a deuce a "Yes We Can" poster, offensive, yes, tough shit, it's art ! Although I would have to pierce my nipple, paint my toenails black and look like Marilyn MAnson to get noticed, because only the freaks are artists, right? Ya see the 1st A protects Marylin to be who he/she is, as well as Jones in Florida. We cannot deny under most circumstances, and under these of which he plans seem to be law abiding, unless he doesn't get the burn permits. Simple solution, rent a big 100 gallon BBQ drum and have a BBQ.

Don't you see that because the Muslims are pissy and have some sand in their clit and their Koran that we as a nation our allowing them to dictate our Constitution.

WHAT'S NEXT ?
 

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Don't you see that because the Muslims are pissy and have some sand in their clit and their Koran that we as a nation our allowing them to dictate our Constitution.

WHAT'S NEXT ?
Since Ricknjax wouldn't answer, I'll ask you Lumi...

What would burning copies of the Quran accomplish?

It's a simple question. Not sure why no one can answer it? :shrug:
 

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Maybe I missed it. Did anyone tell him that he COULDN'T do it, other than the local authority, twice, when he applied for the permit to do it? Or has everyone (that I know of) said that he had the right to do it, but that they thought it was a bad idea for various reasons?

Seems to me, that is all that really matters. It's a good example of our democracy - he has the right (although I think that's arguable from religious incitement reasons that are discussed in the constitution I believe) to do it, but we (and our leaders) can find fault with him for doing it, which is our/their right.

The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence. I think it's avoiding reality if a person thinks burning a bunch of Korans would not cause violence or a breach of the peace eventually. Seems to me, this would be a possible disallowance of this particular brand of free speech, especially considering the dangerous situation our country is in.
 

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Maybe I missed it. Did anyone tell him that he COULDN'T do it, other than the local authority, twice, when he applied for the permit to do it? Or has everyone (that I know of) said that he had the right to do it, but that they thought it was a bad idea for various reasons?

Seems to me, that is all that really matters. It's a good example of our democracy - he has the right (although I think that's arguable from religious incitement reasons that are discussed in the constitution I believe) to do it, but we (and our leaders) can find fault with him for doing it, which is our/their right.

The Supreme Court has also recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence. I think it's avoiding reality if a person thinks burning a bunch of Korans would not cause violence or a breach of the peace eventually. Seems to me, this would be a possible disallowance of this particular brand of free speech, especially considering the dangerous situation our country is in.

Its just like the building of the Mosque near Ground Zero. Its not a good idea, but there shouldn't be any laws preventing it.
 

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Since Ricknjax wouldn't answer, I'll ask you Lumi...

What would burning copies of the Quran accomplish?

It's a simple question. Not sure why no one can answer it? :shrug:

There a many things people do in protest which are curious and don't seem to have a logical reason. Why do our own citizens burn my flag? Another example of why I and millions other served to give them the right to express themselves. Although I really want to stomp the shit out of them for such a cowardice act, I need to protect their right just the same as someone who is waving the flag.

Jones got himself noticed, probably a target on his back as well. The extras from "Deliverence" will be joining his church anytime soon, or are they the congregation? Louis Farakahn, Rev Wright, Rush Limbot, Beck, Donald Duck all fall under the same protection. The AFLAC Duck, that's a whole different bird. There's only so much I can take of Gilbert Gottfried.

So who realy knows what Jones wanted to accomplish, except what the ultimate supposed outcome? Create enough animosity bewteen several groups and force the mosque to move?
 

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So who realy knows what Jones wanted to accomplish, except what the ultimate supposed outcome? Create enough animosity bewteen several groups and force the mosque to move?
Personally, I think anyone who burns my flag is an asshole. Anyone who burns a cross is an asshole. And anyone who burns a Bible, a Quran or any other holy book is an asshole.

But, my guess is there will assholes burning the Quran tomorrow, shooting video and posting it on Youtube. The 24 hr. cable news channels will pick it up and well, Islamic fundamentalists looking for motivation to become martyrs will have it.

I hope I'm wrong.
 

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Personally, I think anyone who burns my flag is an asshole. Anyone who burns a cross is an asshole. And anyone who burns a Bible, a Quran or any other holy book is an asshole.

But, my guess is there will assholes burning the Quran tomorrow, shooting video and posting it on Youtube. The 24 hr. cable news channels will pick it up and well, Islamic fundamentalists looking for motivation to become martyrs will have it.
I hope I'm wrong.

CIA, FBI, MOSSAD?
 

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I can see I have gotten under your skin pretty easily. Why are you so insecure?

Plus your mouth has gotten incredibly foul lately. Little doggie is about to go postal. :mj07:

Going postal? Just verifying facts. I'll opt for moving lines at major books over your running spellcheck. :)


Imagine if you will- a forum of 10,000 consisting of nothing but clones of you-trench and muffins.

No one could ever verify anything as fact--no one would know or meet another person--there would be no social events--no charitible contributions--Thats' the world you all choose to live in--because of fear of real world where you have to accountable.

We'll continue to socialize-wager-visit-corresponde - and help others--

You continue to hide- curse and run that spellcheck--but trust me- Your trying to belittle everyone-doesn't make you look smarter--you've been pretty much exposed-- thank you:0008

Duff and Muff might consider returning to friendly confines of huffers post --and you might consider changing name and starting over--

--and all 3 of ya "hope" for that "change" in redistribution of wealth :SIB
 

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Going postal? Just verifying facts. I'll opt for moving lines at major books over your running spellcheck. :)


Imagine if you will- a forum of 10,000 consisting of nothing but clones of you-trench and muffins.

No one could ever verify anything as fact--no one would know or meet another person--there would be no social events--no charitible contributions--Thats' the world you all choose to live in--because of fear of real world where you have to accountable.

We'll continue to socialize-wager-visit-corresponde - and help others--

You continue to hide- curse and run that spellcheck--but trust me- Your trying to belittle everyone-doesn't make you look smarter--you've been pretty much exposed-- thank you:0008

Duff and Muff might consider returning to friendly confines of huffers post --and you might consider changing name and starting over--

--and all 3 of ya "hope" for that "change" in redistribution of wealth :SIB

And just who is that Muffins character-TU or Tramp??:SIB
 

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No one could ever verify anything as fact--no one would know or meet another person--there would be no social events--no charitible contributions--Thats' the world you all choose to live in--because of fear of real world where you have to accountable.

I barely have enough time for the friends I already have. I guess your life revolves around this site. No surprise really.

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We'll continue to socialize-wager-visit-corresponde - and help others--

You don't believe in helping others. Oh except for whitey.

You continue to hide- curse and run that spellcheck--but trust me- Your trying to belittle everyone-doesn't make you look smarter--you've been pretty much exposed-- thank you:0008

Another hypocrite post. How many times has it looked like you've been on your period lately? You have been mocking and cussing like a little girl lately. So you can keep playing that card if you like but when you act even worse it kind of hurts your argument.
 

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It is power-elite propaganda to claim, as Obama does, that the Rev. Terry ?Jim? Jones burning Korans will lead to terrorist acts or recruitment for the ideological tendency called al-Qaeda. American conduct in America is not the issue. As Ron Paul points out, it is US foreign policy that causes blowback. ?They? don?t hate ?us? because we are good or Christian or nuts. They hate the US corporate state?s occupation of their lands, its seizure of their oil, its murderous wars.

quoted from Lewrockwell
 

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PSSST Gumby We may not be at war with them--but they sure are with us--in case you haven't noticed--and while all muslims may not be terrorist - 99% of terrorist are muslim.

Radical Islam winning clash of civilizations

<!--//Byline box//-->By Clifford D. May
Saturday, September 11, 2010

Nine years ago, I began a series of discussions about terrorism with Jack Kemp, Jeane Kirkpatrick and a small group of concerned philanthropists. Since today is the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 atrocities, that won?t surprise you. What might: Our first conversation took place before, not after, terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
Those with whom I met grasped this: While America was cashing in the post-Cold War ?peace dividend,? terrorists were bombing the World Trade Center (for what turned out to be the first time), slaughtering American troops at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, attacking American embassies in Africa and driving an explosive-laden boat into the USS Cole. Most political leaders, intelligence analysts, academics and journalists did not see much significance in this pattern.
In the weeks that followed, we organized the Foundation for Defense of Democracies to undertake research to better understand terrorism and the forces driving it; develop useful policy options and help educate the public.

Among the most significant lesson I?ve learned since then: Terrorism is not the core problem. It is merely the weapon of choice for some of the regimes, movements and ideologies that are waging a war against democratic societies.
The terrorists regard themselves as ?jihadis? - heroic Islamic warriors and conquerors. They see their enemies as ?infidels? - enemies of Allah. Yes, the jihadis and those who support them have grievances against America, Europe and Israel. But resolving policy differences is not their goal. Their goal is to defeat the West, and to restore to Muslims the power and glory they enjoyed in the past and which they are confident they are destined to enjoy again.
Not all those who seek this restoration engage in acts of terrorism or even support them. There are those - call them ?Islamists? - who are not militants. They believe non-violent strategies can more effectively hasten the transition from the rule of law as constructed by men to the rule of law as ordained by Allah, along with the transfer of global dominance from Judeo-Christian societies to ?the Muslim world.?
It should go without saying: Most of the world?s Muslims are not participating in this struggle, are not eager for bloodshed and do not want to live under clerical dictatorships. But if, as has been conservatively estimated, only 7 percent of the world?s Muslims support Jihadism and/or Islamism, that?s more than 80 million people - a formidable force backed by enormous oil wealth. By contrast, Islamic reformers and peacemakers are isolated, targeted and without substantial resources.
After 9/11, the Bush administration conceived this conflict as a ?Global War on Terrorism.? The link with Islam as preached by fiery clerics was acknowledged but not examined. The Obama administration has backed away from even that incomplete analysis.
Government spokesmen now talk only of ?violent extremism? and ?overseas contingency operations.? The first term ignores the ideologies motivating those waging war against us. The second term denies that it?s a serious conflict. President Barack Obama has conceded that al-Qaeda is at war with the U.S. - as though that?s all there was to it; as though that explained something.
The Sunday Times of London reported last weekend that Iranians are paying members of the Taliban to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan. Think about that: Iran?s rulers are collaborating with the Taliban, an affiliate of al-Qaeda.
Political leaders and the intelligence community ought to be pondering what this means, what it will mean if Tehran succeeds in acquiring nuclear weapons and how to prevent such an eventuality. Based on past performance, it?s more likely that they are avoiding the question.
How encouraging that must be to the jihadis and Islamists in Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Somalia, Yemen, Gaza and other fronts. It will reassure them that, nine years after the 9/11 attacks, they are thinking strategically - while their infidel enemies are not.
 

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JACK LET ME BACK! I AM GOING TO STAY OUT OF THIS FORM SO MUCH AS POSSIBLE:142smilie :0074
 
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