a quick poll--need some input

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stay tuned, wtc BS lies by NIST

stay tuned, wtc BS lies by NIST

?NIST was hanging out with the wrong crowd,? according to Dr. Wood. ?Apparently the people hired to do the work of figuring out how the Twin Towers disappeared convinced NIST to focus on something else. NIST admitted to me in writing that it deliberately did not investigate the actual unraveling of the WTC.? In its letter of July 27, 2007, to Wood NIST acknowledged, ?NIST only investigated the factors leading to the initiation of the collapses of the WTC towers, not the collapses themselves.?

Dr. Wood holds degrees in Civil Engineering, Engineering Mechanics, and Materials Engineering Science. Fetzer added, ?She is a former assistant professor in the Department of Mechanical Engineering at Clemson University and is arguably the best qualified 9/11 researcher in the world. I know of no one else whose qualifications come close to matching hers.?

Dr. Wood is well known in the 9/11 truth movement for alleging fraud and requesting correction of the official report prepared by NIST. In her recent Appeal of her Request for Correction (RFC), Wood presented compelling evidence that the Twin Towers were destroyed by Directed Energy Weapons (DEW).

heres the link to entire article

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_jim_fetz_071011_9_2f11_scholar_files__22.htm
 

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Well pt, seems you ran off everyone else. Looks like it's down to you and I.

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Surely you guys have some hard core dreamed up 'facts' to support what the gov't spoon fed you. Right?

GUYS!!! :wall: :shrug:
 

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Somebody, ANYBODY, please try and convince me this building fell due to fire. Go ahead, do it!

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Are you fukcing sane? lol!

In the history of steel frame buildings, NONE, have ever collapsed due to fire. None! Until these 3 'collapsed'. :rolleyes: Prior to 9/11, number of steel buildings collasped by fire.....0 out of 400.

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<---------Didn't collapse

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<----------Didn't collapse

This isn't even close to being an argument. There is no argument. That fawking building was imploded, PERIOD!
 

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marine,

are you serious, your site is run by people who dont obviously question why the terrorists--who never were on the plane--didnt appear on the original manifests ... they believe that a 757 can liquify and disappear in 16' pentagon holes and 6' deep dirt pits in shanksville ... they believe that passports floated out of the sky not once but twice, in the preported 11 and 93 crashes ... they believe that twice barbara olson commiunicated with her husband via phone...

you bring nothing, you offer nothing but lackey lip service ... i just listed some you cant and wont answer from your own mind... you accuse me of cutting and pasting, speak to what i just addressed in the first paragraph

please, if its too daunting to answer all those questions, just take a swing at the babs olson, did she or did she not call and speak to her husband--its just a yes or no, im sure you can handle that simple request
 
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Ptguard, I think you and I both need some
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Are you just so driven by this that it causes you insomnia? I can blame mine on shift work at least.
 

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Ptguard, I think you and I both need some
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Are you just so driven by this that it causes you insomnia? I can blame mine on shift work at least.

Come on Clint. Offer something here! Go to my post above, we will start you off nice and simple. Do you think WTC7 fell due to fire, yes or no.

:0corn
 

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marine,

all over the map, yes, bc there were many lies by the gov. and many ways to poke holes in them, if you read about it, you would see them; so many that you refuse to reply to them bc you cant ... i looked at your link and dont agree with that it had to say, so now answer some of my questions ... i will answer any direct question you offer, why cant you do the same .... and it isnt just the phone calls, its many things you have never once spoken to, why cant you do this ... stop making me repeat myself

you want a debate, i have asked you several times simple straight fwd. questions and you duck them all ... get lost or address them ... and as far as getting worked up, dont flatter yourself, your skill in debate poses nothing bc you ignore cut and dried, yes or no issues ... where are your words now, you keep cut and pasting:shrug:, exactly what you accuse me of ... well here i am asking you to a yes or no debate in the open, lets go, baby....

and as far as the super duper weapons, do you think kerosene kept the fires at the base of the wtcs burning 6 weeks later at several thousand degrees ... clue in, military man ... answer something, anything, in your own words


ps as for my project im still working on it, thanks :00hour


pss agent, these guys have no knowledge on what happened thats why they cant answer these questions, thats why they dont get into a discourse bc they will explose their ignorance... when have they once gone tooth and nail, blow by blow, over any specific question, they backpedal and ridicule, typical of men w/o any ammo of fact
 
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youre done and blocked, you are a hypocrite, zombie coward that doesnt answer simple questions and wastes my time... i shouldnt be surprised, you use the identical tactics the gov. does, you wont face questions you cant begin to answer, you try to hide evidence or deny by not admitting the elephants in the room ... you are def. a shill, only wanting to cause discord ...
 
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quotes

quotes

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have."
? Richard Salant, former President of CBS News

"The great masses of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. Especially if it is repeated over and over."
- Adolph Hitler

"The victor will never be asked if he told the truth"
- Adolph Hitler

"All propaganda has to be popular and has to adapt its spiritual level to the perception of the least intelligent of those towards whom it intends to direct itself."
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

"It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion."
- Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Minister of Propaganda

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
- Goebbels

"The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
- Goebbels

"Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehoods school. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool"
- Plato

"The real mass media are basically trying to divert people." ... "Let everybody be crazed about professional sports or sex scandals"
? Noam Chomsky

"As long as each individual is facing the television tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege"
? Noam Chomsky

"The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."
? J. K. Galbraith

"The world's press is losing its ability to keep power in check"
? Frank Vogl

"The New York Times is for us what Pravda was for the Soviets"
? Gore Vidal

"The mass media is itself part of the same power structure that plunders the planet and inflicts human rights abuses on a massive scale"
? David Cromwell

"When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic."
- Dresden James
 

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fighting the mindless

fighting the mindless

Sunday, October 14, 2007
Outcompete the Bad Guys


The bottom line about disinformation is simple: Those fighting for truth have to outcompete those fighting to supress it. It is a good old-fashioned competition.

Understanding the tactics and styles of people spreading disinformation is helpful to minimize the effectiveness of those trying to disrupt the truth movement. But even more important is our ability to simply spread more information, more persuasively, than those spreading lies. If we spend more time discussing disinfo than putting out important info ourselves, we've lost.

The good news is that those who use brute force to obtain imperial control are not very creative. They are using the same false flag terror playbook they've been using for thousands of years. They're trotting out the same old "great leader will protect us from the bad guys" script they've been recycling again and again ever since the days of Caesar.

WE'VE got truth, creativity, passion, brains and justice on our side. Plus, we are defending our own own country, our homes and our families from people who have no loyalty to America or the Constitution.

WE CAN outsmart them and out-create them.
 

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murder in the air

murder in the air

how many times will it happen before anyone firgures it out ... if you guys dont know anything about jfk jr.'s murder, check it out ... all the markings rehearsal of the pentagons coverup on 9-11 ...


Was Paul Wellstone Murdered?

By Michael I. Niman, AlterNet
October 28, 2002


Paul Wellstone was the only progressive in the U.S. Senate. Mother Jones magazine once described him as, "The first 1960s radical elected to the U.S. senate." He was also the last. Since defeating incumbent Republican Rudy Boschowitz 12 years ago in a grassroots upset, Wellstone emerged as the strongest, most persistent, most articulate and most vocal Senate opponent of the Bush administration.

In a senate that is one heartbeat away from Republican control, Wellstone was more than just another Democrat. He was often the lone voice standing firm against the status-quo policies of both the Democrats and the Republicans. As such, he earned the special ire of the Bush administration and the Republican Party, who made Wellstone's defeat that party's number one priority this year.

Various White House figures made numerous recent campaign stops in Minnesota to stump for the ailing campaign of Wellstone's Republican opponent, Norm Coleman. Despite being outspent and outgunned, however, polls show that Wellstone's popularity surged after he voted to oppose the Senate resolution authorizing George Bush to wage war in Iraq. He was pulling ahead of Coleman and moving toward a victory that would both be an embarrassment to the Bush administration and to Democratic Quislings such as Hillary Clinton who voted to support "the president."

Then he died.

Wellstone now joins the ranks of other American politicians who died in small plane crashes. Another recent victim was Missouri's former Democratic governor, Mel Carnahan, who lost his life in 2000, three weeks before Election Day, during his Senatorial race against John Ashcroft. Carnahan went on to become the first dead man to win a Senatorial race, humiliating and defeating the unpopular Ashcroft posthumously. Ashcroft, despite his unpopularity, went on to be appointed Attorney General by George W. Bush. Investigators determined that Carnahan's plane went down due to "poor visibility."

Carnahan was the second Missouri politician to die in a small plane crash. The first was Democratic Representative Jerry Litton, whose plane crashed the night he won the Democratic nomination for senate in 1976. His Republican opponent ultimately captured the seat from his successor in November.

While an article in the New York Times on Saturday pointed out the danger politicians face due to their heavy air travel schedules, the death of a senator or member of Congress is still relatively rare, with only one other sitting U.S. Senator, liberal Republican John Heinz, dying in a plane crash since World War II. Heinz, who entered office as an outspoken opponent of the Vietnam War, later emerged as a strong proponent of health care, social services, public transportation and the environment. He also urged reconciliation with Cuba. He died when the landing gear on his small plane failed to function, and a helicopter dispatched to survey the problem crashed into his plane.

One former senator, John Tower, also died in a small plane crash. Tower was best known as the chair of the Tower Commission, which investigated the Reagan/Bush era Iran/Contra scandal.

Another member of a prominent government commission who died in a small plane crash was former Democratic representative and House Majority Leader Hale Boggs. Boggs was best known as one of the seven members of the Warren Commission, which investigated the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The commission found that Lee Harvey Oswald was acting alone when he killed the president. Boggs, it turns out, had "strong doubts" that Oswald acted alone, but went along with the commission findings. Later, in 1971 and 1972, he went public with his doubts. He was presumed dead after the small plane carrying him and Democratic Representative Nicholas Begich disappeared in 1972.

Texas Democratic Representative Mickey Leland also died in a plane crash. In his case, the six-term member of Congress and outspoken advocate of sanctions against the apartheid government of South Africa, died while traveling in Ethiopia. Another American politician to die overseas in a plane crash was the Clinton administration's Commerce Secretary, Ronald Brown, whose plane went down in the Balkans.

Anyone familiar with my work knows that I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist. But to be honest, I know I wasn't alone in my initial reaction at this week's horrible and tragic news: that being my surprise that Wellstone had lived this long. Perhaps it's just my anger and frustration at losing one of the few reputable politicians in Washington, but I also felt shame. Shame for not writing in my column, months ago, that I felt that Paul Wellstone's life, more so than any other politician in Washington, was in danger. I felt that such speculation was unprofessional and would ultimately undermine my credibility. In the end, my own self-interest triumphed, and I never put my concerns into print. Neither did any other mainstream journalist, though I know of many who shared my concern.

When I heard Wellstone's plane went down, I immediately thought of Panamanian General Omar Torrijos, who in 1981 thumbed his nose at the Reagan/Bush administration and threatened to destroy the Panama Canal in the event of a U.S. invasion. Torrijos died shortly thereafter when the instruments in his plane failed to function upon takeoff. Panamanians speculated that the U.S. was involved in the death of the popular dictator, who was replaced by a U.S. intelligence operative, Manuel Noreiga, who previously worked with George Bush Senior.

There is no indication today that Wellstone's death was the result of foul play. What we do know, however, is that Wellstone emerged as the most visible obstacle standing in the way of a draconian political agenda by an unelected government. And now he is conveniently gone. For our government to maintain its credibility at this time, we need an open and accountable independent investigation involving international participation into the death of Paul Wellstone. Hopefully we will find out, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that this was indeed an untimely accident. For the sake of our country, we need to know this.
 

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anyone curious about jfk jr video

anyone curious about jfk jr video

http://annarbor911truth.com/

go there, then click, ONLINE FILMS ... they have tons of great ones ...

scroll down to assassinations and you will find jfk jr. in 4 parts ...

if you know nothing about this story, you will be shocked ...
 

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Ok. so let me get this straight, and I promise pt, this will be my last post here - i just can't handle it anymore, but since no one else will respond to you I will do it once more just to light your fire.

1. How did your "project" ever turn out?


2. You make arguements and "debates" about a variety of things happening on 9-11. You are all over the map in them... space weapons of mass destruction, explosive charges, planes, no planes, terrorists who are not on the plane and now don't show up on the manifests... blah blah blah.

3. When somone posts altering information you accuse them of hacking at the author and not the issue. Anytime someone questions the "science" or "math" of one of the experts for the conspiracy movement of 9-11 you simply resort back to the defensive position and chant "but what about the phone calls?"

phone calls have nothing to do with Dr. Woods and her theory of the government having a super duper secret weapon that can vaporize matter.

It's fun to see how worked up you get. I just googled "anti Dr. Woods" and took the first link and put it up here... and now we are back to "what about the phone calls"

Marine........In some peoples opinion Dr. Judy Wood is a paid shill to come out and make the 911 Truth movement look looney........ie........space beams:mj07:

So really using her as an example is not really fair........she sure as hell doesnt represent the normal minded logical thinking people that cant tell you exactly what happened but "KNOW" everything does'nt add up when it comes to 911......

Forget all the sematics and just ask yourself one very simple question...........

Why all the shenanigans with the investigation?
The actual cover up leads to many more questions and clues than the actual events:nono:
 
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