America's shooting gallery continues, 12 die in NY
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You can do better than a joke we've all heard since the third grade.
I want you to work on the self-confidence and then try again.
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You present this simplistic and limited data set, for which there are so many potential confounding variables, and want folks here to waste time in a "rebuttal"?
Why don't you just think and study through your position instead of trying to get us to do the hard work for you?
Time is limited for thinking forum members, and long complex discussions of gun confiscation practicalities, Bill of Rights, international crime comparisons, the unique American experience with liberty and guns, handgun density vs total homicide rate (and the substitution effect), intra-US comparison data (rich whites have highest gun ownership rate and lowest gun homicide, handgun ownership expoded recent decades as homicide rates fall), etc--are out of place here for anyone who really wishes to be informed.
start with "Guns, murders, and the Constitution - a realistic assessment of gun control". by Don B. Kates Published in 1990, Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy.
and "Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America" by criminology professor Gary Kleck, of Florida State University
finish these, then get back to me...:0corn
Yet not one of you 2nd Amendment absolutists is able to refute this "simplistic and limited data set". Curious.
I refuted it. You simply refused to deal with it. That makes you an intellectual coward, doesn't it?
Pipe down Archie, before you get yourself banned.
Archie, is it your conclusion too that since guns aren't the problem, that Americans are just inherently more violent than the rest of the industrialized world?
I was trying to come up with something funny and insightful to describe it, until I saw your comment. Pretty much sums it up, smurph...
From what I can tell from a few posters in this thread, the problems we face seem to be because of the blacks and fags. On the upside, to use the statistical assessment, the blacks seem to be using the guns on a lot of other blacks, so that's probably not all bad, right? And I don't think the fags for the most part do much violence, do they? Some of them do wear some pretty spikey things and some leather stuff, though, so that could cause some problems. It's so hard to know who to blame these days.
(For anyone new to the forum, I was being extremely sarcastic, and not intending to be racist. For anyone old to the forum, it seems the same old racist and intolerant thoughts are alive and well these days, still.)
spy and fickler...it always seems that "americans" and "america" are the problem...you`ve been indoctrinatted well,quisling....:grins:
no...what i`m saying is that people kill people....not guns...not steak knives...not baseball bats...not cars...not alcohol...
we are in a recession...jobs are being lost...people are in desperate situations...some are pushed over the edge...
and i`m saying that i abhor leftwing pacifists like yourself that seek to use this situation to further your agenda of marxism and governmental control... and subverting the constitution...
i don`t believe in selling our birthright down the river to appease some crypto-fascist featherweight,social parasitic wimps fresh out of indoctrination school(who couldn`t carry an individual thought in an airtight thermos)...
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Wow. So...all I have to do...according to you illiberals...is apply a taboo-adjective to any facts or data I don't like...and they go away.
What a cool trick.
Being an illiberal is fun!
What is not curious is your steadfast refusal to recognize complexity, and your unwillingness to confront it.
OK, here's another "simplistic and limited data set" for you "thinking forum members".
If you add accidental shootings and suicides to the 10,000 gun deaths by murder in the US every year, the number rises to approx. 29,000 deaths by gun in the US every year.
Now, what this ?simplistic and limited data set? reveals to this non-thinking forum member is that we Americans are twice as likely to shoot ourselves, a family member or an innocent bystander as we are a violent criminal or other intended target.
Rebuttal???
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http://www.monstersandcritics.com/n...city_gun_ban_upholds_gun_rights__2nd_Roundup_
ruling came down right before independence day...how fitting...
Weasel good to see you back to respecting the constitution. What happen? A change of the presidency? Never heard a peep from u when it was torn up the last eight years.:shrug:
Changing the subject again because you have no rebuttal, eh Weasel?
Btw... I'm quite familiar with "D.C. vs. Heller", but thanks.
howz`at?....i missed the impeachment...:shrug:
trying to change the subject?....can you have a cogent thought without "bush"?....
/it`s spring and bds is still in full bloom...
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the answer is right here....couldn`t be clearer(unless you`re impaired)...
""Even with the current ban in place, Washington has one of the highest per-capita murder rates in the country, but the Supreme Court said concerns about gun violence were not enough to override constitutional rights ""...
/thank me very much...
