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finished up the regular season at....116-88...56.8%.....nothing great...

i will post my bowl plays & any info that i find in this thread...whether i play the game or not....

hope everybody has a profitable bowl season....


got this from another site....& haven't verified it but thought that it was interesting.....


Since 2003.....Bowl dogs between +7 and +16.5 are 40-21....65.6%
 
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COLLEGE FOOTBALL BOWL SEASON QUICK HITTERS

Evan Altemus

Now that the bowl match-ups have been released, speculation has already started about which teams are poised for big wins while others may be destined for blowouts. It is absolutely essential to know the situations that every bowl team is in before handicapping these games further. Predicting college bowl games is less about the x's and o's of the match-ups and more about the mind-set and other intangibles. Let's take a look at which teams to back or go against.

Fresno State - This team had BCS bowl aspirations at the start of the season, but they finished the season with a disappointing 7-5 record. The Bulldogs are now left to play in the New Mexico Bowl, a far cry from where this program expected to be at this point.

Boise State - The Broncos were hoping for an at-large BCS berth with their undefeated record. However, Utah, playing in a better overall non-BCS conference, took the at-large bid away from Boise State. Now the Broncos are left to play in the Poinsettia Bowl against one of the best non-BCS conference teams in the country in TCU. If Boise State doesn't bring maximum effort, then TCU will demolish them.

Miami - This very young team has to travel the across the country and play Cal in what is basically a home game for the Golden Bears. The Emerald Bowl is being played in San Francisco's AT&T Park, just down the road from Berkley. Miami also finished the season with two losses to fall down in the ACC standings.

N.C. State/Rutgers - It is a big disappointment to see these two teams facing each other. Both groups are the playing their best football of the season and would have been excellent selections against other teams. However, this game will be a match-up of two very improved offenses.

Missouri - The Tigers have lost all three big primetime games that they have been in this season. They had national title hopes entering the year but are now left to the Alamo Bowl against Northwestern. Missouri will have a hard time getting motivated for this match-up, especially after a blowout loss to Oklahoma to end the regular season.

Nevada - This team has improved throughout the season. Three of their losses were to Missouri, Texas Tech, and Boise State, so they are much better than their record indicates. They also get to play a bowl game just up the road from their campus in Boise.

LSU - There was talk of the Tigers being national title contenders entering this year. They started out playing well, until they faced better competition. They lacked a quality quarterback, and their offense couldn't get going. In addition, they suffered a horrible loss to Arkansas to close out the season.

Alabama - They were just a few plays away from the playing in the national title game, but the Crimson Tide couldn't make the plays necessary to beat Florida. Alabama still gets to play in a BCS Bowl, but it is a far cry from the match-up against Oklahoma that they were hoping for. Now they have to face a tricky Utah team that will be very hungry.

Ohio State - This team wants badly to prove that they are able to play with other elite teams in the country. They have been embarrassed by USC, LSU, and Florida over the last few seasons on a national stage. The Buckeyes have another chance to prove how good they are, but this time they get to face a team that they match-up more favorably against. Ohio State will come to play, but will they have the offense needed to keep it close or pull out the win?


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WHAT THE SHARPS THOUGHT ABOUT THE OPENING BCS BOWL LINES

We moved the deadline back a bit for this article so I could report to you what sharps (professional wagerers) thought about the opening lines that went up Sunday Night in the BCS bowl games.

I can't say there was a lot of anticipation about these games. There just isn't that much excitement about Cincinnati/Virginia Tech or Utah/Alabama. Even Ohio State/Texas is getting a yawn because it's the third time they've met in recent years, and nobody takes Ohio State seriously any more after their high profile losses to Florida, LSU, and USC in recent marquee matchups.

That left the national championship game, which EVERYONE was interested in...and Penn State/USC...which gets a strong local following because the sharps have done very well betting USC in recent bowl games.

Here's a review of early interest and action starting with the biggest game and working our way down...

BCS CHAMPIONSHIP GAME: FLORIDA VS. OKLAHOMA
There was a lot of debate about who the favorite would be. Most people seemed to think it would be Florida given their recent play...and given the fact that Oklahoma has a poor recent bowl history. The public has been pounding Florida this year too. So, the sharps were figuring a higher than expected line on Florida...with the challenge being when to bet Oklahoma.

Instead, the early send out from the consultants showed Oklahoma as a 1.5 point favorite! I didn't see any books put that up though. The earliest offshore lines were at Florida by 2.5...and that got bet to Florida -3 immediately. The sharps were very pleased to get the Gators at less than a field goal at the opening. If the public drives the line up higher, they'll have a great middle. If the line shoots WAY up, some sharps may come back over the top on the Sooners. This was a very strong positioning play for the sharps. I'm very surprised the consultants to sportsbooks were suggesting Oklahoma should lay points.

Oh...I'm not saying Florida's going to win. I was telling everyone I thought Oklahoma had the best talent in the country back in September. I'm just saying that, in terms of the money strategies, opening Florida at less than a field goal leaves the books exposed to some dangerous results. The public is going to bet Florida...and the Gators really are playing well. Oklahoma has a history of playing great up through the Big 12 championship game then disappearing. In terms of how this game was going to be bet, Florida laying at least a field goal made some sense. I'm interested to see where this line settles once the public starts betting.


ROSE BOWL: USC VS. PENN STATE
Many sharps have won big bucks on USC in recent bowl games. Some of the well known guys out here made HUGE bets on what turned out to be comfortable winners. Sportsbooks were aware of that history, and posted an early number of USC by 10 right out of the gate. That will at least make the sharps think. The public will probably still bet USC at that price and higher given how easily the Trojans handled Ohio State this year (and Illinois last year).

I wouldn't be surprised if some sharps go ahead and lay the 10 this week, with hopes of buying some back at a higher price. I think many of the guys were kind of hoping others might make a move on the dog at double digits...then they could get in early at 9.5 before the public money hits. Not happening in the early hours as I write this.

Barring injuries or suspensions to USC, this is very likely to be a double digit spread come January 1st. I should note that the Under got hit by the totals guys. Early lines in the 47 to 48 range came down to 45.5 as this was going to press. USC has a great defense and an average offense. Penn State's offense hasn't faced many good defenses. I could definitely understand that move.


FIESTA BOWL: TEXAS VS. OHIO STATE
This wasn't a game that had people excited. But, when word got out that the send out was just Texas -8, many sharps were ready to lay the points. I saw -10.5 or -11 at most places early on. This game is very similar to Penn State/USC in that we've got a big name Big Ten team who may not be ready to face a true power...and a true power capable of covering big spreads. The public is going to be the favorites in those games. Sharps may come back on Ohio State if they see +13 or better. The middle opportunity wasn't here because sportsbooks ignored the low advisory and posted double digits.


ORANGE BOWL: CINCINNATI VS. VIRGINIA TECH
I can't say that sharps are excited about watching this game. They sure were excited about betting it! I saw most openers around Cincinnati -1 after the advisory had suggested pick-em. Early money came in almost exclusively on the Bearcats...driving the line up to -2 fairly quickly. Who would have thought that the popular betting game for sharps would have been this one?!

Cincinnati did close the season strong. And, Virginia Tech is one of those teams that needs turnovers to win. Sharps just won with Virginia Tech over Boston College (as did my clients!) by getting those turnovers. Maybe they didn't think they'd catch the breaks two weeks in a row. When not getting turnovers, Virginia Tech looks pretty bad most of the time.


SUGAR BOWL: UTAH VS. ALABAMA
Here we have another game with a pointspread just over 10. I'm seeing 10.5 everywhere right now, and that's where it opened. Limited action. My take from talking to sharps is that they want the big dog Utah, but are going to wait to see if they can get a better spread. There's no reason to act early here. No bandwagon will be created for the mid major. When the public bets closer to game day, the sharps will step in at +12 or better.

Why the love for Utah? It's more a sense that Alabama is going to be flat as a pancake. How can you get up for somebody like Utah when you blew your chance at an undefeated season and a national championship? Remember how poorly Oklahoma played against undersized Boise State? This isn't like last year where Georgia was in the mood to make a statement against overhyped Hawaii. There's no statement Alabama can make.

The Tide could still cover this spread. I'm just reporting what the sharps were saying about the game. I could see that line of reasoning for sure. And, I agree that there's no reason to act now.

In summary:

Florida was a sharp bet at less than a field goal, with an emphasis on creating position for later action.

Cincinnati was a sharp bet at -1 or better.
The Under in Penn State/USC w as a sharp bet at 48, 47, and even 46.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some sharps on USC -10 before long because they won't want to lay a worse number. The guys that have won with USC in the past will probably be on them again. Dog lovers looking at Utah, Ohio State, or even Penn State will wait to see where the public takes the line. A big move on Florida may encourage some sharp action on Oklahoma too.

In other words...much of the sharp action is still to come! I've reported what happened at the openers. I'll do my best to keep you updated on ALL sharp bowl action through the course of the month. That was a popular feature last season. In the coming days, look for breakdowns on a timely basis in both college and pro football.

It's easier to think like a sharp and bet like a sharp if you can see the sharps in action!
 

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got this from another site....& haven't verified it but thought that it was interesting.....


Since 2003.....Bowl dogs between +7 and +16.5 are 40-21....65.6%


somebody that i know who is into trends e-mailed me that he got...36-17 ATS (68%)

and he went further.....since 1998 the numbers look like this:

1998 5-3-1
1999 3-2
2000 5-5
2001 2-3
2002 9-4-1
2003 6-5
2004 6-2
2005 11-1
2006 6-6
2007 7-3

the numbers since 1998 are......60-34-1....63.8%...
 

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good info AR--a dog over 7 that wants to be there vs a team that doe not is a super good bet--GL on your bowl picks this year.
 

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thanks hawk.....

all plays are 2* unless noted otherwise....


over 51(120) nc st / rutgers....

got this yesterday at 51.5...& bought 1/2 point.......

watched a few nc st games this year & was very impressed with their qb.....kid is a real playmaker with the ball in his hands by either throwing it or running with it......& we all know about the rutgers qb (completing 60.5% of his passes), who likes to throw the ball around....on defense this year both teams pass defense were very generous.....nc st allowed a completion % of 62.6 % on the road...while the rutgers defense allowed an incredible 67.4% & 8.4 pya on the road.....

some trends....

schiano is 7-0 over in road games off a home win against a conference rival as the coach of rutgers.... the average score was rutgers 35.4, opponent 35.4....

schiano is 8-1 over in road games off a win against a conference rival as the coach of rutgers.....
the average score was rutgers 33.9, opponent 31.0.....


system.....

play over - any team against the total (rutgers) - after beating the spread by more than 21 points in their previous game, in december games.

the ats record since 1992 is......38-14.....73.1%

the average total posted in these games was....53.7....
the average score in these games was...team 31.6,opponent 27.8...


also the statistical site that i use runs comparisons with their data of all past games where the posted line or total were similar to this game's and where the final game statistics were comparable to their estimator's projections. (yards/play and turnovers).....& what they found was that 25 games went over the total, while 1 games went under the total......which means that 96% of the games went over the total (# they used was 51.5)....


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College Bowl Betting Advice

by Robert Ferringo

Unfortunately, I won't be getting a Golden Goose for Christmas.

And by "Golden Goose" I mean that this won't be the year that I again find the cure-all for holiday bowl betting. You know, that magical system that produces nothing but winners and wonder on every bowl game for which it's applicable; That system that goes a perfect 33-0 and correctly passes out winners on every single bowl game. Nope. Not this year. But maybe if I'm a good boy Santa will bring it to me next season.

However, there are still a lot of tricks to this trade and a lot of systems, tips and trends that I can share with you that have proven themselves profitable when it comes to college football bowl betting. Here are a few of my personal favorite bits of college bowl betting advice:

1) A hot recent trend is to play favorites before Christmas and back underdogs after. Over the past three years, favorites that played before Dec. 25 have posted records of 21-2 straight up and 14-9 against the spread (70.6 percent). Conversely, the chalk is 55-38 SU but just 40-51-1 ATS (37.9 percent) after a visit from Santa.

Interestingly, this trend didn't hold last year, as early chalk went just 2-4 ATS before Christmas and was a solid 15-10-1 ATS after. Also, the favorites were actually an easy play on the money line as well, winning 19 of 26 games.

This year's pre-Christmas favorites are Wake Forest, Fresno State, South Florida, Arizona, Troy, TCU and Hawaii.

2) Play against public teams. Everyone and their grandmother are going to back classic football programs like Notre Dame and Alabama in their respective bowl games. It's not a coincidence that those programs are a combined 2-9 ATS in their last 11 bowls.

"Sharps usually get pinned up against the public in betting," said a Bodog bookmaker. "If you know your players are going to be on the public team then you can shade the line because the sharps will usually take the dog in those cases. This will help you balance the action. As risk managers, knowing your player base is crucial, as it will give you the jump start on the players and put you in the best possible position to win."

3) The best two underdog conferences are the SEC and the Pac-10. The SEC is 10-3 SU and 12-1 ATS as a dog in recent years. The Pac-10 is 27-25 SU and 39-12 ATS (76.5 percent) in the underdog role since the start of the 1997 bowl season.

Last season these two conferences combined to go 3-4 SU and 4-3 ATS. Considering the heavy plus-money you get on money lines this method has been a very profitable system in and of itself. Early puppies from these two conferences include Oregon, Vanderbilt, LSU, South Carolina, and Mississippi and they all fit into this system.

4) Do your homework when it comes to conference power rankings. Just because a 9-2 school out of the Mountain West is facing a 6-5 crew out of the SEC doesn't mean that the MWC team is going to roll. To the contrary.

"I would be sure to research each conference participating," said a former Las Vegas sportsbook director. "This doesn't mean looking at the polls or watching (ESPN's College) Game Day. Researching all the out-of-conference games teams played during the course of the season will give you a true measurement of how strong that particular conference may be."

BYU against Arizona, East Carolina against Kentucky, and Utah against Alabama are all games that fit this mold.

5) Location, location, location. Over the past three seasons there have been 12 bowl games in which one school was playing on its home turf. Those teams have gone 9-4-1 ATS. Also, without any appreciable rhyme or reason, the designated "Home Team" over that same span has gone 66-48 ATS. That's a 57.9-percent clip. However, over the past four seasons, teams playing within their own state are just 19-18 ATS when facing an opponent from another state.

Teams playing on their home turf this year are Hawaii and USC. Teams playing in their home state are South Florida, North Carolina, Florida State, Florida, Central Michigan, Louisiana Tech, Houston, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, USC, Texas Tech.
 

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thanks cb...you should go check out the post with my name in the title...there is a bunch of other pictures of sweet jennifer....
 

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2nd bowl play....

over 51(120) so. fla / memphis......

also bought this down from 51.5....

both of these teams were blown out of their respective bowl games last year...so. fla. lost to oregon 56-21...memphis to fla. atl. 44-27....

eventhough their offensive numbers were good this year (4.71 ypr, throwing for 6.32 ypp & averaging close to 400 ypg), so. fla.has had trouble converting the stats into points, especially over their last 5 games...for the season the bulls have averaged 26.5 ppg....but over those 5 games they averaged just 16 ppg.....but over the years i have watched many bowl games & i noticed that teams that have struggled during part of the regular season tend to rebound nicely during the bowl season.....& i think so. fla. will be one of these teams...maybe not to cover the spread, but i think they will have a good offensive performance in this bowl game......partly because of the month off where they will be able to have extensive practices, but mainly because of the questionable defense of memphis....

on the road this year, memphis allows 28.8 ppg, 5.3 ypr, & a very poor 8.6 ypa....so i don't see why so. fla. won't be able to score at least 28 points in this game (think they will score more than that).....& if they do score at least 28....

memphis is 12-1 over when they allow 28 or more points over the last 2 seasons......where the average score was memphis 30.6, opponent 39.5....

so. fla is 9-1 over when they score 28 or more points over the last 2 seasons.....where the average score was so. fla 42.4, opponent 19.1....

during the season, memphis started 4 different qbs because of injuries....& even with the different qbs, memphis still put up good offensive numbers...they ran for 5.22 ypr & threw for 6.40 ypp....but now memphis will have their original starter back for this game...in games in which arkelon hall (jr. college transfer) has played, memphis has averaged close to 300 ypg passing......for the year so. fla. has allowed a very mediocre 6.27 ypp through the air.....so i think that memphis, with their big wide receivers will be able to do some damage against the so. fla defense.....

play over - neutral field teams where the total is between 49.5 and 56 (memphis) - with an inexperienced qb as starter.....

over the last 5 seasons the ats record is.....36-11.......76.6%

the average total posted in these games was....53

the average score in these games was...team 29, opponent 30.8 (total points scored = 59.8)

the number of games in which this system covered the total BY 7 OR MORE points was 28......59.6% of all games.....


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Al, 116-88 translates to PLUS 19 units which I think most cappers would be thrilled with.

Great job
 

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Al, 116-88 translates to PLUS 19 units which I think most cappers would be thrilled with.

Great job

rrc...

i have always been very critical of myself in probably everything that i do....it's just a way of motivating me to do better...

thanks for your post...
 

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3rd play....

under 71(120) miss / tex. tech.....

looking at the scoring averages of both teams the total i come up with is 59.6.....& i understand that scoring in bowl games are normally higher than during the regular season, but i think this number is too high.

miss has a very good defense allowing opponents just 17.7 pts per game on 294 total yards and 4.8 yards per play, and they did that against some pretty decent offenses....the most points miss. has allowed to any team during the regular season is 31 to fla.....

other than allowing 65 points to okla., the most points tex. tech allowed in a game during the regular season is 33 to texas....& we know that the miss. offense, which averages 26.6 ppg on the road is no okla....so i think tex. tech will be able to contain the miss. offense....

i don't think that miss. will want to get into a shootout with tex. tech, so i think that they will try to establish the run, because they probably believe that is the best chance they have to keep tex. tech's offense on the sidelines and shorten the game.....

miss. has numerous trends favoring the under...but tex. tech has an equal amount of trends supporting the over.....i just think that the total is much too high for this game & think the under is a pretty good play....


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i just read this stat & thought that some might find this interesting....

since 1980 pre-new year's day bowl dogs that outrush their opponents are 122-55-1 ats....68.9%

good luck...
 

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here is something else that i just read....

dogs in bowl games that won the previous year are 23-12 ats, including 15-3 ats vs. an opponent that won 8 or less games last year....

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play #4....

troy-4....

looking at so. miss. offensive stats, you have to be impressed with the balance of their offense...they averaged nearly 200 ypg on the ground & 238 ypg through the air.....but imo these stats are misleading because much of their success came from playing a soft defensive schedule...overall usm's top offensive outputs were against utep, uab, smu, & ul-lafayette...combined those teams allowed 35 ppg & 451.8 ypg of total offense.....don't get me wrong, usm will get their yards & points, but not as easy as their stats may indicate....

also if you look at usm's defensive stats over the final 4 games of the season, you will see that they held their opponents to 14 pts. or less...but looking further, those 4 opponents (uab, c. fla., e. carolina, & smu) barely averaged over 300 ypg of total offense combined.....prior to those 4 games, usm allowed an average of 31 ppg over the first 8 games of the season....& imo that is more like what we will see in this bowl game....overall for the season usm ranks #73 in total defense,#52 in pass defense, & allow 4.4 ypc, & for the year they only recorded 16 sacks on the season (12 games)....

on the other hand troy ranks in the top 30 nationally in total & pass defense & are in the top 5 in sacks & tackles for loss & have a very good set of linebackers....they also allow about a full yard per carry less on the ground compared to so. miss....& for the year troy allows about 16 ppg for the year...which includes games against ohio st & lsu...

on offense troy is led by a qb who has thrown only 3 ints out of 283 passing attempts for the year, gain about 175 ypg on the ground at about 5.1 ypc & average 420 yards of total offense per game.....they have a very good offensive line that has allowed only 9 sacks for the year....for the year they average about 33 ppg, which includes those games against ohio st & lsu....

both teams played 2 common opponents (ull & ark. st) this year, in which both won & covered....on average troy outscored them 42-6 & outgained them 399-294....while usm outscored them 39-23 & outgained them 491-421....

in their last 22 games, troy has outstated their opponents in 20 games....including 11-1 this season......while usm has won the stat battle in 5 of their previous 34 games against bowl eligible teams.....

i think troy will win this game by double digits....


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Love your Troy play. Look at the S.Miss sched over the past 4-5 weeks. Aside from ECU (which was playing poorly at that time), they have wins against UCF, SMU, UAB and memphis. They have been inflated over these weeks and now they got a bowl game. This team still lost to Memphis, UTEP, Rice and Marshall. The only real huge tests for S.Miss was Boise and I'll even spot the Auburn game. Troy on the other hand played well against LSU, Okie State and Ohio St! These make up 3 of the 4 loses Troy has on the season. The other loss was a heart breaker to a good home team by 1. In the division they won every game but that one by more than 10 points per contest. This is a very dangerous team that should be hungry for a bowl victory as they always show. Did I mention the only issue I have is all of the troy loses came on the road but when you look at who and where they played that does not scare me (Death Valley, The Horse shoe and Cowboy stadium). Really like this game and I think it will be a re-hit oppertunity depending on how Memphis plays Sfla.

Good luck this bowl season AR and happy holidays!

Cheers
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here is something else that i just read....

dogs in bowl games that won the previous year are 23-12 ats, including 15-3 ats vs. an opponent that won 8 or less games last year....

good luck...

Here would be the list of Dogs this year that won their bowl game last year:

Utah *
Fla Atl
BYU *
ECU *
Penn St
Oregon *
WVU *
LSU *
Tulsa *

* = opp won 8 or less games last year

And these 3 games are a pickem now and these 3 teams won their bowl game last year so if they become the dog they would fit the system:

Cincy, Fresno St *, TCU

I ran the numbers for last year and it went 4-4
Winners were So Miss, Central Mich, Auburn, WVU
Losers were Maryland, FSU, Hawaii, Wisky
 
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