Can Irish Win It All?

[Dice34]

Thanks. Thats what I was asking. Also, I just have to say I can't get over this game. I can't think of a game that has hurt like this one. If Leinhart gets in the end zone, it would have sucked, but it would have gone down as one of the all time greats.
I feel there is a huge asterick beside this one and it stole a great win away from Irish and it stole a chance at trying to get into nat'l champ position.

With this question, I think the biggest thing is that its going to piss me off if they climb up to like #4 or #5 with a couple weeks left and then the voters realize they can't let them get to #2.

A playoff would be so simple and fun to watch. Everyone would have an equal chance at the start of the season. BCS sucks.

Mich. St. might be considered a lot better if they hadn't screwed up that field goal at the end of the first half against Ohio State. They were dominating. Then, in the 2nd hafl they couldn't tackle receivers.

Yeah you did say it.... and I'm not talking about throwing the flag on the timeout, I'm not even sure if thats a rule(it is in BBall)...but the coach being out of the box, that is a penalty but rarely called and more often then not would be warned first.

I'm pro-playoffs and if not for the greedy NCAA and school officials we'd have one. One day, we may have one but not until the BCS gets it messed up year in and year out. I rather have a team complain about being robbed of the 8th seed or 16th seed then being undefeated and not getting a chance to have a shot at a title.

But what do I know, so called "experts" and computers(who haven't stepped on a football field) determine who plays, go figure.

 

[volfan]

Plain and simple NO THEY WILL NOT WIN THE NATIONAL TITLE!!!!!!!! :s4:

 

[BleedDodgerBlue]

I think USC will be -3 or less.

No chance. The line against Texas if both teams win out will be USC -7.5 minimum. Not making any statements about who is better or what not, but oddsmakers aren't stupid. You will be laying a touchdown and without a doubt the hook if you want to play USC in the title game if they make it.
Again, not capping or saying whos better or whatnot, but under no circumstances will USC playing at home in the title game be laying less than 7.5 to anyone. Considering they won by 100 or something in the title game last year and now get a home game.

Again, I'm not saying line is right or wrong, I just cannot fathom a USC line of -3 over anyone in the title game.

 

[agentjmw]

One thing is for sure. ND is back. This is a stupid question. But I thought if the offense fumbles the ball out of bounds with less than 2 or so minutes the clock continues to roll. Or is that NFL?

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Forward fumble and the clock runs . . . so basically Leinhart had to advance the ball to the one inch line on the play and fumble exactly laterally to get the spot that they got.

 

[agentjmw]

THX BBC, I knew it was something.

 

[TouchdownJesus]

I'm assuming Notre Dame will move up to #6 after the win over Tennessee and losses by Va. Tech and UCLA.
Still a long shot here, but its possible to get a share of the title if the polls work like they should. Meaning that teams don't leapfrog other teams.

Five teams ahead of them are USC, Texas, Alabama, Miami, and LSU. Alabama plays LSU so one of them drops. The winner plays Georgia in SEC title game so they could drop.
USC plays 3 ranked teams. Probably not going to lose but it could happen.
Texas has TX A&M and Colorado in Big 12 Champ. Again, prob. not going to happen.
Miami has Ga. Tech, Virginia, and FSU in ACC title game.

Since Alabama and LSU play, and they only need to get to 2nd before the bowls, that means 3 losses would do it. I can see them easily getting to 3rd, but don't really see USC or Texas losing.

Either way, the system is terrible and unfair to everyone. Look at Penn State and Miami. Each are one play away from being unbeaten. Miami messes up a field goal in early September and b/c of it, they cannot control their fate to win a nat'l championship.
College presidents are pure shit.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Sorry but a team with 2 losses, at hone, including one against what is now obviously a less than stellar Michigan State team, doesnt belong in the conversation. SHouldnt be ahead of any of the teams you mention with one loss. And ND will stay so down in the computers the human polls wont be enough anyway.

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

Shouldn't be ahead of UCLA please... We don't deserve to be in the championship with two losses but we would smoke half of those teams.

SEC got exposed again... Overrated.

 

[Scott4USC]

In my opinion. ND would beat every team in the nation on neutral field except USC and Miami. I really like that Miami defense. #1 in the country IMO. USC O vs Miami D would be something special. I wish we could see that matchup in the BCS NC game. Since I am holding a USC NC futures ticket, I don't want that matchup!

 

[gman2]

In my opinion. ND would beat every team in the nation on neutral field except USC and Miami.

umm....

notre dame would not beat virginia tech
(very fickle public overreating to the miami loss last night. vtech isnt a title contender, but theyre better than notre dame)

notre dame would not beat texas

notre dame would not beat ohio state

do we need to continue the list?

why not give notre dame the credit they are due and not go overboard. in a few years, notre dame is going to be really good.

but this year, theyre not beating those teams on a neutral field. to say otherwise is just nuts.

 

[DoMyDermBest]

Simply put: NO FUC%ING WAY. Is Scott doing his best Moses imitation trying to carry water to Jesus? Get off your knees Scott, walk over the swimming pool, take your Thorazine, and spit, don't swallow.

 

[Scott4USC]

umm....

notre dame would not beat virginia tech
(very fickle public overreating to the miami loss last night. vtech isnt a title contender, but theyre better than notre dame)

I am not impressed as you are with V-Tech. They have been good to me going 2-0 ATS for me betting on them and 1-0 ATS betting against them! Hokie D gets praised to no end but they shut down piss poor offenses. WHO FAWKING CARES? V-Tech is good team but not an elite team. ND would win.

notre dame would not beat texas

I have to pick ND over Texas because ND been tested week in week out. Texas has not. I think ND offense gives Texas D trouble and coaching advantage to Irish. I only give ND slight advantage in beating Texas.

notre dame would not beat ohio state

I would be very confident in ND beating OSU. ND offense would outscore OSU. OSU D would not look so great going against ND offense.

do we need to continue the list?

Sure!

why not give notre dame the credit they are due and not go overboard. in a few years, notre dame is going to be really good.

I am giving ND the credit they deserve with their play this season with their schedule! ND would prob. be undefeated just like Texas if they played their schedule. People would be talking differently about ND.

but this year, theyre not beating those teams on a neutral field. to say otherwise is just nuts.

I disagree.

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

umm....

notre dame would not beat virginia tech
(very fickle public overreating to the miami loss last night. vtech isnt a title contender, but theyre better than notre dame)

notre dame would not beat texas

notre dame would not beat ohio state

do we need to continue the list?

why not give notre dame the credit they are due and not go overboard. in a few years, notre dame is going to be really good.

but this year, theyre not beating those teams on a neutral field. to say otherwise is just nuts.

LOL - Who is to say ND would not be Ohio St., Texas, or Virgina Tech... What makes you such a "great" expert... And yes please continue with the list.

I have yet to see one team slow down the Irish offense for a full game. ND has simply beaten the teams they scheduled. It was the retarded media who ranked Michigan, Tennessee, and Pitt so high. ND will win out and I hope we play Virgina Tech or OSU in a bowl game. The funny thing is after we beat them they will probably just another "overrated" team. LOL

 

[Sun Tzu]

Yea..except Notre Dame lost...at home........to that fabulous Michigan State squad that yesterday lost to 2-6 Purdue, and got drilled by 30 at home to Northwestern.

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

Sun Tzu - you're so positive that is what I like about you. LOL. That was ND's third game under Weis and yes we lost to MSU in overtime at home the week after a hard fought game against one of our biggest rivals Michigan.

Today ND is playing as well as anybody in the country. No one would know the outcome of the games unless they actually played on the field. But I like our chances.

BTW - Arizona just pounded UCLA who lost to Purdue who lost to etc... etc... We could play this game all along. Stick to the Big 12.

 

[Sun Tzu]

And you stick to blatant homerism

 

[DIRTY Diapers]

How is what I said blantant homerism...? :mj07:

Get a life dude...

 

[TouchdownJesus]

I am a huge Irish fan...but this post, and why I picked it back up again, is more about the polls. Notre Dame is actually now 7th. Penn State jumped them.
I hate the system, period.
But, I really hate teams leapfrogging teams after the halfway point of the season. Its supposed to be that you lose, you drop. You win, you move up...if teams in front of you lose. Its not an exact science but its pretty consistent.
So, if your 7th now. And teams gradually start losing. Like I say, I think they could get to about 3rd or 4th. But, lets say some weird stuff happened.
What if they are 3rd and Texas loses? Does Texas stay 2nd? Does the 4th ranked team jump them and move into 2nd?
They have no chance at BCS, but if they did get to 2nd, and #1 loses in Rose Bowl. Do they win AP's version of nat'l title?
Of course, I know they don't. But its just bullshit piled onto more bullshit.
Imagine a tourney with USC, Texas, Miami, Notre Dame, Alabama, Penn State, LSU, and Va. Tech. It would be AWESOME!!!

 

[DoMyDermBest]

How can you hate a system that rewards results (i.e. win - loss statistics) over cosmic Joss. Bet you voted Gore/Kerry in the last two elections if you spin a scenario in which ND with 2 losses trumps 3 undefeated teams' and many once defeated teams. Get real. :mj07: