Congresswoman Giffords shot, badly wounded in Arizona

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Giffords history with Palin, Tea Party

As of Saturday, Arizona Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' name appeared on a website titled "take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by Sarah Palin of vulnerable House Democrats. A map on the site showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts.

Palin first posted the list in March 2010, naming 20 House members who voted for health care reform and represented districts that Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona won in the 2008 presidential election.

The post read, "We'll aim for these races and many others. This is just the first salvo in a fight to elect people across the nation who will bring common sense to Washington," and was accompanied by a map with targets over the districts.

At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it."

"The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

After Giffords was shot in Tuscon, Arizona, Saturday, Palin responded on her Facebook page:

"My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shootings in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."

At a press conference Saturday, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik criticized people who are making a living off "inflaming the American public."

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous," Dupnik said. "Unfortunately, Arizona has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

And Saturday's tragedy was not the first time the Arizona Democrat was targeted. The day after she voted in favor of health care reform, a glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered.

Giffords won a close race against Republican Jesse Kelly in November. Kelly was a Tea Party favorite who ultimately received 47 percent of the vote to Giffords' 49 percent. The Republican-leaning 8th district went for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004.

Tea Party Express Chairwoman Amy Kremer responded to the events Saturday by saying the group is "shocked and saddened" by the "terrible tragedy."

"These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials. Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas," Kremer said in a statement. "An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process. We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it."
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It's scary to think that anyone would even listen to someone who is so stupid. I love this country but when a dummy like Palin gets anointed as some kind of leader it leaves you scratching your head.
 
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Roger Baltrey said:
It's scary to think that anyone would even listen to someone who is so stupid. I love this country but when a dummy like Palin gets anointed as some kind of leader it leaves you scratching your head.
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Roger,

I would like to refer you to these:

Was Ron Paul, tea party re-inventor, right all along?

Tea Party 2007: Ron Paul Sets a New Campaign Fund-Raising Record


Glenn Beck calls Ron Paul a TERRORIST because this MASSSIVE fun raising campaign was called a "Money Bomb" really Glenda? And it was on Guy Faux day, so what ! It was a REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT FAT BOY !


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Any Becky worshippers care to defend this?

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Roger,

I would like to refer you to these:

Was Ron Paul, tea party re-inventor, right all along?

Tea Party 2007: Ron Paul Sets a New Campaign Fund-Raising Record


Glenn Beck calls Ron Paul a TERRORIST because this MASSSIVE fun raising campaign was called a "Money Bomb" really Glenda? And it was on Guy Faux day, so what ! It was a REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT FAT BOY !


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Any Becky worshippers care to defend this?

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Another blithering idiot with apparently a large audience. I trust that no one takes him seriously? There is a need for third party in this country but its not called the Tea party which is just a bizzre offshoot of the Republican party.
 
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Ron Paul is a blithering idiot?

He was ahead of the media driven Fake Tea Party.

I would say you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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All I want to say is....GOD bless the famlies who lost the lives of their loved ones and the victims of this tragic event.
 
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Special on Shooting and Gabrielle Giffords on Nbc. You have to like this Lady. Hope she makes it.
 
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Evidently, as we start seeing reports on this kid, he was extremely anti-government, definitely a conspiracy theorist, thought government was trying to control him and everyone else, and started to act on his concerns. He'd never before messed around with guns, but as his paranoia grew, he reached out to friends who DID have guns to learn more about them. Coincidence?

Sadly, I'm sure this will spur copycats who are also believers in the above things, and decide to act on their fears.

Illum, can you see why at times I challenge some of the things you post? This kind of stuff, just like anything else can go too far, and there are impressionable people everywhere. Not saying everything you post is off base, but much of it is similar to what this kid was devoted to. Sorry if this offends you. It's just something to think about. I do think the commentary of much of the right wing these days is over the top, and it does stoke the fires of people like this. Add to that paranoia about government and everyone being out to get you, easy access to firearms, and there you have it.

Sorry, I find it concerning. I have friends who are representatives and public officials. Shit like this worries me - for them, their families, and people who might be around them when some lunatic goes off.
 
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For the record, I don't think the over the top rhetoric is exclusive to conservatives. But I think it has gone to a new level during the past two years - especially with the Tea Party movement and the election of Obama.
 
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illuminati said:
Ron Paul is a blithering idiot?

He was ahead of the media driven Fake Tea Party.

I would say you have no idea what you are talking about.
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I was talking about Glenn Beck. I like Ron Paul. Dont always agree with him but respect his honesty and the fact that he doesn't carry the water for his party.
 
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THE KOD said:
Giffords history with Palin, Tea Party

As of Saturday, Arizona Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' name appeared on a website titled "take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by Sarah Palin of vulnerable House Democrats. A map on the site showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts.

Palin first posted the list in March 2010, naming 20 House members who voted for health care reform and represented districts that Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona won in the 2008 presidential election.

The post read, "We'll aim for these races and many others. This is just the first salvo in a fight to elect people across the nation who will bring common sense to Washington," and was accompanied by a map with targets over the districts.

At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it."

"The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

After Giffords was shot in Tuscon, Arizona, Saturday, Palin responded on her Facebook page:

"My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shootings in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."

At a press conference Saturday, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik criticized people who are making a living off "inflaming the American public."

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous," Dupnik said. "Unfortunately, Arizona has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

And Saturday's tragedy was not the first time the Arizona Democrat was targeted. The day after she voted in favor of health care reform, a glass panel at her Tucson office was shattered.

Giffords won a close race against Republican Jesse Kelly in November. Kelly was a Tea Party favorite who ultimately received 47 percent of the vote to Giffords' 49 percent. The Republican-leaning 8th district went for George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004.

Tea Party Express Chairwoman Amy Kremer responded to the events Saturday by saying the group is "shocked and saddened" by the "terrible tragedy."

"These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials. Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas," Kremer said in a statement. "An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process. We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it."
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dupnik is a dipshit...a political hack...he has no proof of anything...

this guy has no connection to palin or the tea party....

btw..here`s a democrat map similar to the one on plin`s website with bullseyes indicating the republican seats that were targeted(politically) at the time....

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

how f-cking stupid do you have to be to not understand that the bullseyes indicate political seats that were targeted by the opposing party...not literal "targets for assassination"?....

when did the collective i.q. in this forum suddenly dip below that of a chock block?...

i`m hearing theres a video on youtube of the guy burning the american flag....he`s a mental case....and anybody that tries to make poltical points off this tragedy is shameless...

if anybody should be taken to task,it`s those responsible for our politically correct climate that makes it almost impossible to identify and remove people that are obviously dangerous to society...
 
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Chadman said:
Evidently, as we start seeing reports on this kid, he was extremely anti-government, definitely a conspiracy theorist, thought government was trying to control him and everyone else, and started to act on his concerns. He'd never before messed around with guns, but as his paranoia grew, he reached out to friends who DID have guns to learn more about them. Coincidence?

Sadly, I'm sure this will spur copycats who are also believers in the above things, and decide to act on their fears.

Illum, can you see why at times I challenge some of the things you post? This kind of stuff, just like anything else can go too far, and there are impressionable people everywhere. Not saying everything you post is off base, but much of it is similar to what this kid was devoted to. Sorry if this offends you. It's just something to think about. I do think the commentary of much of the right wing these days is over the top, and it does stoke the fires of people like this. Add to that paranoia about government and everyone being out to get you, easy access to firearms, and there you have it.

Sorry, I find it concerning. I have friends who are representatives and public officials. Shit like this worries me - for them, their families, and people who might be around them when some lunatic goes off.
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Chad,

SHit like this terrifies me :scared

Makes me not want to go to any public event again.

I do think the commentary of much of the right wing these days is over the top, and it does stoke the fires of people like this.
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The right wing only? Really? Let's take a look at the Southern Poverty Law Center, Media Matters, The NYT


Jared Loughner, Alleged Shooter in Gabrielle Giffords Attack, Described by Classmate as "Left-Wing Pothead"


The MKULTRA Project is declassified and does exist, was a subject of the project? :shrug:

Most of what I post is fully researched, I don't come into a fight (discussion) half cocked, informed.

Yes, I post info about my enjoyment of firearms and range time. Right now what I own is legal. How much longer they will remain legal, who knows?

I am a responsible firearms owner, all but one are double locked. When traveling to the range I follow the law. The law enforcement knows who I am because

A) I work out the gym with them
B) I see them at the range
C) I am the block Captain of my Neighborhood Watch

Insert your jokes if anyone finds needed about me and the neighborhood watch....
 
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gardenweasel said:
dupnik is a dipshit...a political hack...he has no proof of anything...

this guy has no connection to palin or the tea party....

btw..here`s a democrat map similar to the one on plin`s website with bullseyes indicating the republican seats that were targeted(politically) at the time....

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

how f-cking stupid do you have to be to understand that the bullseyes indicate political seats that were targeted by the opposing party...not literal "targets for assassination....

when did the collective i.q. in this forum suddenly dip below that of a chock block?...


i`m hearing theres a video on youtube of the guy burning the american flag....he`s a mental case....and anybody that tries to make poltical points off this tragedy is shameless...

if anybody should be taken to task,it`s those responsible for our politically correct climate that makes it almost impossible to identify and remove people that are obviously dangerous to society...
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How dare you besmirch a chock block ! :toast:
 
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He is the moron :142smilie :142smilie :142smilie A Sarah Palin apologist calling another person a moron. Hate to say this again but ya just can't make this stuff up.
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What you really can't make up spongebob is-

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about intelligence :SIB
 
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