Do you have a Hand Gun in the house?

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Surely......even in the crazy ol' US of A.........this would be a crime?!! :shrug:


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"The US is the most heavily armed society in the world with 90 guns for every 100 citizens"

"This is why it would be nearly impossible for any country to invade and occupy the US "


Hmmm......justifies them all huh?!!


What a sad world you live in :(

I was under the impression that all Australians, except Mr. Christo of course, had BIG knives and excellent senses of humor.

I'm assuming you're the exception:shrug:
 

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"Officer, I scared him off and he ran away... he got a lil ways away and turned around and reached for what looked like a gun and he yelled he was going to kill me - so i stopped him"

Sounds perfectly sensible to me. If they ask me why there is fourteen rounds buried in his chest, that may be different. I would hate to think that I missed the one in the chamber?!?!?!!?

Regardless of what anyone says, you consider breaking into a house and that homeowner is a gun owner and he pops several caps in your ass and kills you then consider yourself lucky. He just saved you from getting ass caved in prison AND save the tax payers a good deal of money as I am sure that if you get away with it, surely you will do it again. If you do anything enough it will eventually go bad and you will be locked up on my dime................fuhk that ............bullets are cheap and I only have to testify once.
 

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I wonder if Sean Taylor had a gun under his bed instead of a machete if he'd be alive today?????

I wonder if Sean Taylor had an alarm system, a couple of protective dogs and a security man if he would be alive today?

You guys and your guns under your beds really think you are gonna save the fukcin world don't you? Does you NO good if you are startled and can't get to it, or you get shot first.

Give me an alarm system, 2 pit bulls, a couple solid doors, and a black belt over a gun under my bed ANY day.
 

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I wonder if Sean Taylor had an alarm system, a couple of protective dogs and a security man if he would be alive today?

You guys and your guns under your beds really think you are gonna save the fukcin world don't you? Does you NO good if you are startled and can't get to it, or you get shot first.

Give me an alarm system, 2 pit bulls, a couple solid doors, and a black belt over a gun under my bed ANY day.


Dogs are a pain in the ass to take care of, alarm responce is to slow, doors would help...maybe, but a good ole 357 in the chest usually works every time.
 

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Dogs are a pain in the ass to take care of, alarm response is to slow, doors would help...maybe, but a good ole 357 in the chest usually works every time.

The point of the alarm is to wake you up as much as get the police there. You wouldn't even have to have it monitored.

Dogs are a pain in the ass? lol

Just keep thinking that you're safe just because you have a gun, but believe me, you aren't! You think these guys come barging through the front door like Monty Python with a battering ram? Hell no, your gun will almost surely be useless, even if you have it under your pillow.

Like I said, give me the secure doors and windows, alarm, protective dogs, a black belt, and knowledge of my home over your 357 any day of the week. Hope you don't blast the wrong person someday Dirty Harry.
 

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Does everyone actually live in such crime-ridden areas? I don't even lock my door half the time.

I think most gun-happy people have fantasies about killing an intruder. Even though you will never actually get broken into while you are at home, you sort of hope it happens so you can be some sort of hero.
 

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Does everyone actually live in such crime-ridden areas? I don't even lock my door half the time.

I think most gun-happy people have fantasies about killing an intruder. Even though you will never actually get broken into while you are at home, you sort of hope it happens so you can be some sort of hero.

Read This:

http://www.crimedoctor.com/homeinvasion.htm
 

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Does everyone actually live in such crime-ridden areas? I don't even lock my door half the time.

WE DON'T LOCK THE DOORS MORE THAN HALF THE TIME :shrug:
HELL I HAVEN'T TAKEN THE KEYS OUT OF MY CAR SINCE I MOVED HERE IN O1 :00hour THE BAD THING WAS I GOT INTO THE HABIT AND LEFT THEM IN
WHILE I WAS GASSING UP IN KC AND OFF GOES THE CAR :sadwave:
 

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WE DON'T LOCK THE DOORS MORE THAN HALF THE TIME :shrug:
HELL I HAVEN'T TAKEN THE KEYS OUT OF MY CAR SINCE I MOVED HERE IN O1

Why would you? What are the odds the other 5 people living in Hays would decide to rob you....:shrug:
 

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Does everyone actually live in such crime-ridden areas? I don't even lock my door half the time.

I think most gun-happy people have fantasies about killing an intruder. Even though you will never actually get broken into while you are at home, you sort of hope it happens so you can be some sort of hero.
No not everybody. I live in what would be considered a middle classed fairly good neighborhood and I still own several guns. Now I am not saying I went out and bought a handgun because I fear intruders or what have you, as I stated before I inherited most of them. I did, however, purchase the one holstered to my headboard frame for that very purpose. I don't think anyone wants to be intruded upon because it never works out well but I personally don't want to be a statistic or a victim. Also, to address our friend to the north, I have an ADT alarm system that has been activated and monitored since I moved in, my Rottweiller's name is Snoop, I have a black belt and a brown one, some that are cloth and one of those brown ones that the leather is twined through itself and one that came with this pair of shorts I bought at Cabelas when I was picking up a few spare rounds after I went shooting the other day and I gotta tell ya................none of those belts really make me feel any safer. I don't even wear them to bed?!?!?
It really is just a matter of choice and as the law allows, the FatCoolOne abides dude...........

I don't know that anything is effective if taken by surprise and shot upon awakening, however there is a case of a gentleman in the Dallas area that shot and killed a young man as he was entering the kitchen window with a handgun in his hand which was found on the window will. The man was retired and elderly and is probably watering his lawn today, the other piece of crap is where he wanted to be too. See, it all works out well in the end.
 

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I'm far from anti-gun. I have a few myself although none are loaded or easily accessible at this time. Just trying to point out to people like TheBoys who think cause they have a .357 they are now safe. That is far from reality. Taking the other 4 or 5 steps listed will almost ensure you would never need to pull that gun.
 

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Surely......even in the crazy ol' US of A.........this would be a crime?!! :shrug:


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"The US is the most heavily armed society in the world with 90 guns for every 100 citizens"

"This is why it would be nearly impossible for any country to invade and occupy the US "


Hmmm......justifies them all huh?!!


What a sad world you live in :(

I can definitely see how there are 90 guns for every 100 citizens. Hell, I've got 3 pistols in my house and I live by myself. And yes it is sad that its come to this in America but if its me or the other guy, I'm not going out like that. I'll do everything I can to protect myself and my belongings.
 

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I'm far from anti-gun. I have a few myself although none are loaded or easily accessible at this time. Just trying to point out to people like TheBoys who think cause they have a .357 they are now safe. That is far from reality. Taking the other 4 or 5 steps listed will almost ensure you would never need to pull that gun.

I might not be any safer, but it sure feels good to know that if i need to protect myself that I can.
 

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I might not be any safer, but it sure feels good to know that if i need to protect myself that I can.

As long as it makes you feel better then go with it. To me, it seems like a security blanket for a toddler. The blanket doesn't really provide security, and unless you have guns hidden throughout your home and the home invasion unfolds without the element of surprise, then neither will your guns.
 

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As long as it makes you feel better then go with it. To me, it seems like a security blanket for a toddler. The blanket doesn't really provide security, and unless you have guns hidden throughout your home and the home invasion unfolds without the element of surprise, then neither will your guns.

I see you live in Provo, Spain...........I'm 20 minutes from Detroit, enough said. This shit happens here in the Detroit area all the time.
 

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Texas man kills burglars as 911 operator listens
Case may test state's self-defense laws

Associated Press

Published on: 11/26/07

Houston ? The cha-chick of a shell entering a shotgun's chamber rattled through the 911 line just before Joe Horn stepped out his front door.

Horn, 61, had phoned police when he saw two men break into his neighbor's suburban Houston home through a window in broad daylight. Now they were getting away with a bag of loot.

"Don't go outside the house," the 911 operator pleaded. "You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don't care what you think."

"You want to make a bet?" Horn answered. "I'm going to kill them."

He did.

Admirers, including several of his neighbors, say Horn is a hero for killing the burglars, protecting his neighborhood and sending a message to would-be criminals. Critics call him a loose cannon. His attorney says Horn just feared for his life.

Prosecuting Horn could prove difficult in Texas, where few people sympathize with criminals and many have an almost religious belief in the right to self-defense. The case could test the state's self-defense laws, which allow people to use deadly force in certain situations to protect themselves, their property and their neighbors' property.

'Do you want me to stop them?'

Horn was home in Pasadena, about 15 miles southeast of Houston, on Nov. 14 when he heard glass breaking, said his attorney, Tom Lambright. He looked out the window and saw 38-year-old Miguel Antonio DeJesus and 30-year-old Diego Ortiz using a crowbar to break out the rest of the glass.

He grabbed a 12-gauge shotgun and called 911, Lambright said.

"Uh, I've got a shotgun," he told the dispatcher. "Uh, do you want me to stop them?"

"Nope, don't do that," the dispatcher responded. "Ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?"

Horn and the dispatcher spoke for several minutes, during which Horn pleaded with the dispatcher to send someone to catch the men and vowed not to let them escape. Over and over, the dispatcher told him to stay inside. Horn repeatedly said he couldn't.

When the men crawled back out the window carrying a bag, Horn began to sound increasingly frantic.

"Well, here it goes, buddy," Horn said as a shell clicked into the chamber. "You hear the shotgun clicking, and I'm going."

A few seconds passed.

"Move," Horn can be heard saying on the tape. "You're dead."

Boom.

Click.

Boom.

Click.

Boom.

Horn redialed 911 and told the dispatcher what he'd done.

"I had no choice," he said, his voice shaking. "They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick."

Lambright said Horn had intended to take a look around when he left his house and instead came face to face with the burglars, standing 10 to 12 feet from him in his yard.

Horn is heavyset and middle-aged and would have been no match in a physical confrontation with the two men, who were young and strong, Lambright said. So when one or both of them "made lunging movements," Horn fired in self-defense, he said.

Family members of the two shooting victims have made few public statements.

Diamond Morgan, Ortiz's widow, who has an 8-month-old son with him, told Houston television station KTRK that she was stunned by Horn's statements on the 911 tape. "It's horrible," she said. "He was so eager, so eager to shoot."

The Associated Press could not find a telephone listing for Morgan.

Memories of Bernard Goetz

The case brought back memories of Bernard Goetz, the New Yorker whom some hailed as a folk hero after he shot four teenagers he said were trying to rob him when they asked for $5 on a subway in 1984.

Goetz was cleared of attempted murder and assault charges but convicted of illegal possession of the gun he used to shoot the youths. He served 8 months in jail and was ordered by a jury to pay $43 million to one of the teenagers he shot.

Pasadena police were still investigating Monday and planned to present their findings to Harris County prosecutors within the next two weeks, police spokesman Vance Mitchell said. From there, it is expected to be presented to a grand jury. In the meantime, Horn remains uncharged.

Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they could otherwise be killed. In some cases, people also can use deadly force to protect their neighbors' property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he's out of town.

At issue is whether it was reasonable for Horn to fear the men and whether his earlier threats on the 911 call showed he planned to kill them no matter what, said Fred C. Moss, who teaches criminal law at Southern Methodist University in Dallas.
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Gotta love that. Not only is he protecting his home he is watching out for his neighbors. Let me live next to this guy and I wont need any guns myself.
 

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Texas man kills burglars as 911 operator listens
Case may test state's self-defense laws

Associated Press

Published on: 11/26/07

Houston ? The cha-chick of a shell entering a shotgun's chamber rattled through the 911 line just before Joe Horn stepped out his front door.

Horn, 61, had phoned police when he saw two men break into his neighbor's suburban Houston home through a window in broad daylight. Now they were getting away with a bag of loot.

"Don't go outside the house," the 911 operator pleaded. "You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house with a gun. I don't care what you think."

"You want to make a bet?" Horn answered. "I'm going to kill them."

He did.

Admirers, including several of his neighbors, say Horn is a hero for killing the burglars, protecting his neighborhood and sending a message to would-be criminals. Critics call him a loose cannon. His attorney says Horn just feared for his life.

Prosecuting Horn could prove difficult in Texas, where few people sympathize with criminals and many have an almost religious belief in the right to self-defense. The case could test the state's self-defense laws, which allow people to use deadly force in certain situations to protect themselves, their property and their neighbors' property.

'Do you want me to stop them?'

Horn was home in Pasadena, about 15 miles southeast of Houston, on Nov. 14 when he heard glass breaking, said his attorney, Tom Lambright. He looked out the window and saw 38-year-old Miguel Antonio DeJesus and 30-year-old Diego Ortiz using a crowbar to break out the rest of the glass.

He grabbed a 12-gauge shotgun and called 911, Lambright said.

"Uh, I've got a shotgun," he told the dispatcher. "Uh, do you want me to stop them?"

"Nope, don't do that," the dispatcher responded. "Ain't no property worth shooting somebody over, OK?"

Horn and the dispatcher spoke for several minutes, during which Horn pleaded with the dispatcher to send someone to catch the men and vowed not to let them escape. Over and over, the dispatcher told him to stay inside. Horn repeatedly said he couldn't.

When the men crawled back out the window carrying a bag, Horn began to sound increasingly frantic.

"Well, here it goes, buddy," Horn said as a shell clicked into the chamber. "You hear the shotgun clicking, and I'm going."

A few seconds passed.

"Move," Horn can be heard saying on the tape. "You're dead."

Boom.

Click.

Boom.

Click.

Boom.

Horn redialed 911 and told the dispatcher what he'd done.

"I had no choice," he said, his voice shaking. "They came in the front yard with me, man. I had no choice. Get somebody over here quick."

Lambright said Horn had intended to take a look around when he left his house and instead came face to face with the burglars, standing 10 to 12 feet from him in his yard.

Horn is heavyset and middle-aged and would have been no match in a physical confrontation with the two men, who were young and strong, Lambright said. So when one or both of them "made lunging movements," Horn fired in self-defense, he said.

Family members of the two shooting victims have made few public statements.

Diamond Morgan, Ortiz's widow, who has an 8-month-old son with him, told Houston television station KTRK that she was stunned by Horn's statements on the 911 tape. "It's horrible," she said. "He was so eager, so eager to shoot."

The Associated Press could not find a telephone listing for Morgan.

Memories of Bernard Goetz

The case brought back memories of Bernard Goetz, the New Yorker whom some hailed as a folk hero after he shot four teenagers he said were trying to rob him when they asked for $5 on a subway in 1984.

Goetz was cleared of attempted murder and assault charges but convicted of illegal possession of the gun he used to shoot the youths. He served 8 months in jail and was ordered by a jury to pay $43 million to one of the teenagers he shot.

Pasadena police were still investigating Monday and planned to present their findings to Harris County prosecutors within the next two weeks, police spokesman Vance Mitchell said. From there, it is expected to be presented to a grand jury. In the meantime, Horn remains uncharged.

Texas law allows people to use deadly force to protect themselves if it is reasonable to believe they could otherwise be killed. In some cases, people also can use deadly force to protect their neighbors' property; for example, if a homeowner asks a neighbor to watch over his property while he's out of town.

At issue is whether it was reasonable for Horn to fear the men and whether his earlier threats on the 911 call showed he planned to kill them no matter what, said Fred C. Moss, who teaches criminal law at Southern Methodist University in Dallas.
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Gotta love that. Not only is he protecting his home he is watching out for his neighbors. Let me live next to this guy and I wont need any guns myself.

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