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A Former Cop On What Went Wrong In McKinney

A Former Cop On What Went Wrong In McKinney

Yet another perspective from a former police officer....



An officer in McKinney, Texas, dashes down a sidewalk, losing his flashlight as he runs past a teenage videographer toward an emergency. Seconds later, the teen with the camera walks up to another officer, one who is standing with a group of kids. ?I?m just saying,? the officer is saying in a calm, corrective tone that parents and school teachers everywhere will recognize. ?Don?t take off running when the cops get here.?

He thanks the videographer for returning the flashlight, then listens for a few seconds as the kids around him try to explain who was and was not involved in a prior incident. ?Okay, guys, I appreciate that,? the as-yet-unidentified officer says. He responds to their concerns?that the police had detained the wrong people?by saying, ?Okay, that?s what I?m saying. They?re free to go.? While not casual, the officer is composed. His tone is friendly and professional as he engages with the kids.

Seconds later, another officer, Corporal Eric Casebolt, is shown interacting with some of the same kids. His angry tone and aggressive attitude stand in marked contrast to the first officer in the video. ?Get on the ground,? he commands sharply while pulling on a young man?s wrist in a way that looks like he?s trying to force the man to the ground with a painful joint manipulation (technically a supinating wrist lock or, for martial arts enthusiasts, kote gaeshi).

When that proves ineffective, he grabs the back of the young man?s head and shoves him down. ?I told you to stay,? he yells, pointing a large metal flashlight at someone off camera. ?Get your asses down on the ground.? Like the first officer, he lectures some of the kids about running from the police, but he takes a very different approach. ?Don?t make me fucking run around here with thirty pounds of god-damned gear on in the sun because you want to screw around out here.? He is anything but composed, calm or professional.

The two officers in this brief video represent two different policing styles, two different mindsets that officers use as they interact with civilians: the Guardian and the Warrior. As a former police officer and current policing scholar, I know that an officer?s mindset has tremendous impact on police/civilian encounters. I?ve described the Guardian and Warrior mindsets at some length here and here; for now, suffice to say that the right mindset can de-escalate tense situations, induce compliance, and increase community trust over the long-term. The kids interacting with the first officer were excited, but not upset; they remained cooperative. Had they gone home at that moment, they?d have a story for their friends and family, but it would be a story that happened to have the police in it rather than being a story about the police.

The wrong mindset, on the other hand, can exacerbate a tense encounter, produce resistance, and lead to entirely avoidable violence. It can, and has, caused longterm damage to police/community relations. We shouldn?t be surprised that the kids Corporal Casebolt was yelling at weren?t eager to do what he was ordering them to do?no one likes being cursed at and disrespected in front of their peers, and people of all ages, especially teenagers, resent being treated unjustly. That resentment can lead to resistance, and Police Warriors?taught to exercise unquestioned command over a scene?overcome resistance by using force.

Although the short video does not provide a complete picture of the scene, it appears likely that force in this case could have been avoided. Consider how Corporal Casebolt took issue with the way a group of girls standing on the sidewalk some distance away were ?running their mouths,? so he yelled at them: ?Leave!? and ?Get your ass gone!? As one bikini-clad girl, 15-year-old Dajerria Becton, did exactly that, Corporal Casebolt stopped her?possibly after some verbal exchange not captured by the camera?and wrestled her to the ground. When quickly approached by two young men who appear unhappy with his treatment of Becton, he unholstered his firearm almost two seconds after those two young men began backing away from him. About ten seconds later, as Becton continued to sit on the ground where he left her, Corporal Casebolt again grabbed her and forced her down, pushing her face into the ground and planting a knee in her back as she cried. The kids now have a story about an officer, and it may well be one that sours their faith in police for years to come.

What should officers do in similar situations? For starters, they must realize that the public?even a group of non-compliant teenagers?are not an enemy to be vanquished, but civilians to be protected, to the extent possible, from indignity and harm. A Guardian mindset encourages officers to be ?procedurally just,? to ensure that their encounters with civilians are empowering, fair, respectful and considerate. Research of police and military encounters strongly suggests that officers are most effective at fostering goodwill and reducing antagonism when they approach each encounter with the goal of building civilian trust.

Officers should also look out for each other, protecting their colleagues not just from harm, but also from lashing out in anger or frustration. Policing can be intensely stressful, and officers should be trained and encouraged to help their peers deal with stressful situations. When an officer is losing his cool, another officer will often be able to intervene, giving the first a chance to collect himself. That type of peer support isn?t part of modern police culture?particularly not when the officer losing his temper is a supervisor and union official like Corporal Casebolt?but it should be.

A short video of officers in McKinney, Texas, shows us the avoidable results of an unnecessarily aggressive approach to policing. But in the same video, we can see a few seconds of policing the way the way it should be done.

Seth Stoughton is a law professor at the University of South Carolina, where he is affiliated with the Rule of Law Collaborative. He served as a police officer and investigator for more than seven years. Follow him on Twitter @PoliceLawProf.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/two-mckinney-cops-former-police-officer-guardian-warrior

Peace! :)
 

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Yet another perspective from a former police officer....



An officer in McKinney, Texas, dashes down a sidewalk, losing his flashlight as he runs past a teenage videographer toward an emergency. Seconds later, the teen with the camera walks up to another officer, one who is standing with a group of kids. ?I?m just saying,? the officer is saying in a calm, corrective tone that parents and school teachers everywhere will recognize. ?Don?t take off running when the cops get here.?

He thanks the videographer for returning the flashlight, then listens for a few seconds as the kids around him try to explain who was and was not involved in a prior incident. ?Okay, guys, I appreciate that,? the as-yet-unidentified officer says. He responds to their concerns?that the police had detained the wrong people?by saying, ?Okay, that?s what I?m saying. They?re free to go.? While not casual, the officer is composed. His tone is friendly and professional as he engages with the kids.

Seconds later, another officer, Corporal Eric Casebolt, is shown interacting with some of the same kids. His angry tone and aggressive attitude stand in marked contrast to the first officer in the video. ?Get on the ground,? he commands sharply while pulling on a young man?s wrist in a way that looks like he?s trying to force the man to the ground with a painful joint manipulation (technically a supinating wrist lock or, for martial arts enthusiasts, kote gaeshi).

When that proves ineffective, he grabs the back of the young man?s head and shoves him down. ?I told you to stay,? he yells, pointing a large metal flashlight at someone off camera. ?Get your asses down on the ground.? Like the first officer, he lectures some of the kids about running from the police, but he takes a very different approach. ?Don?t make me fucking run around here with thirty pounds of god-damned gear on in the sun because you want to screw around out here.? He is anything but composed, calm or professional.

The two officers in this brief video represent two different policing styles, two different mindsets that officers use as they interact with civilians: the Guardian and the Warrior. As a former police officer and current policing scholar, I know that an officer?s mindset has tremendous impact on police/civilian encounters. I?ve described the Guardian and Warrior mindsets at some length here and here; for now, suffice to say that the right mindset can de-escalate tense situations, induce compliance, and increase community trust over the long-term. The kids interacting with the first officer were excited, but not upset; they remained cooperative. Had they gone home at that moment, they?d have a story for their friends and family, but it would be a story that happened to have the police in it rather than being a story about the police.

The wrong mindset, on the other hand, can exacerbate a tense encounter, produce resistance, and lead to entirely avoidable violence. It can, and has, caused longterm damage to police/community relations. We shouldn?t be surprised that the kids Corporal Casebolt was yelling at weren?t eager to do what he was ordering them to do?no one likes being cursed at and disrespected in front of their peers, and people of all ages, especially teenagers, resent being treated unjustly. That resentment can lead to resistance, and Police Warriors?taught to exercise unquestioned command over a scene?overcome resistance by using force.

Although the short video does not provide a complete picture of the scene, it appears likely that force in this case could have been avoided. Consider how Corporal Casebolt took issue with the way a group of girls standing on the sidewalk some distance away were ?running their mouths,? so he yelled at them: ?Leave!? and ?Get your ass gone!? As one bikini-clad girl, 15-year-old Dajerria Becton, did exactly that, Corporal Casebolt stopped her?possibly after some verbal exchange not captured by the camera?and wrestled her to the ground. When quickly approached by two young men who appear unhappy with his treatment of Becton, he unholstered his firearm almost two seconds after those two young men began backing away from him. About ten seconds later, as Becton continued to sit on the ground where he left her, Corporal Casebolt again grabbed her and forced her down, pushing her face into the ground and planting a knee in her back as she cried. The kids now have a story about an officer, and it may well be one that sours their faith in police for years to come.

What should officers do in similar situations? For starters, they must realize that the public?even a group of non-compliant teenagers?are not an enemy to be vanquished, but civilians to be protected, to the extent possible, from indignity and harm. A Guardian mindset encourages officers to be ?procedurally just,? to ensure that their encounters with civilians are empowering, fair, respectful and considerate. Research of police and military encounters strongly suggests that officers are most effective at fostering goodwill and reducing antagonism when they approach each encounter with the goal of building civilian trust.

Officers should also look out for each other, protecting their colleagues not just from harm, but also from lashing out in anger or frustration. Policing can be intensely stressful, and officers should be trained and encouraged to help their peers deal with stressful situations. When an officer is losing his cool, another officer will often be able to intervene, giving the first a chance to collect himself. That type of peer support isn?t part of modern police culture?particularly not when the officer losing his temper is a supervisor and union official like Corporal Casebolt?but it should be.

A short video of officers in McKinney, Texas, shows us the avoidable results of an unnecessarily aggressive approach to policing. But in the same video, we can see a few seconds of policing the way the way it should be done.

Seth Stoughton is a law professor at the University of South Carolina, where he is affiliated with the Rule of Law Collaborative. He served as a police officer and investigator for more than seven years. Follow him on Twitter @PoliceLawProf.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/two-mckinney-cops-former-police-officer-guardian-warrior

Peace! :)
I did not even read this, just curious, do you actually type all this stuff or is it all copy and paste. Is there a Cliffs notes version of your posts?
 

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I did not even read this, just curious, do you actually type all this stuff or is it all copy and paste. Is there a Cliffs notes version of your posts?

I apologize. I assumed that the first sentence was self-explanatory. The link at the end is yet another clue.

Reading comprehension can be enlightening.

Peace! :)
 

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I apologize. I assumed that the first sentence was self-explanatory. The link at the end is yet another clue.

Reading comprehension can be enlightening.

Peace! :)


the first thing he said was "I did not even read this"

practice what you preach. :0008
 

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I apologize. I assumed that the first sentence was self-explanatory. The link at the end is yet another clue.

Reading comprehension can be enlightening.

Peace! :)

So you read the first sentence and the enlighten us with a 28 page copy and past. they dig that shit up north eh?
 

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So what makes it alright for you to drive drunk you hypocrite?

Please tell me how that is different?
 

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the first thing he said was "I did not even read this"

practice what you preach. :0008

The body, perhaps.

But, how does one respond to a post (even going so far as to quote it) without (perhaps even inadvertently) seeing the title and first line, given the mechanisms, structure and layout of this forum?

Highly improbable.

Peace! :)
 

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How would I handle it? I would find out the phone numbers and send someone from the police force over to their house and body slam their kids and burn their house down

As for the principal, I would strap Jeb Bush to Tampa and sink the whole state in to the ocean.

Not sure what any of that has to do with what happened on the video.


You're not sure what is has to do with the video? Seems this is part of what happened in the video, the results of it....

I get it you're not going to change your stance on the issue but at least answer the questions on how you feel about the death threats and removal of the principal.....
 

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Haven't had a drop. I only said those things so hedge thinks I'm cool.

That will never happen, you are proving my point that you are clueless

My advise to you FDC, It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt, you have removed all doubt
 

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That will never happen, you are proving my point that you are clueless

My advise to you FDC, It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt, you have removed all doubt
For fucks sake you stupid fat bastard, I've already used that saying probably ten times on you and now you think you look smart by inadvertently parroting something you heard a long time ago in an effort to look smart? You have the IQ of a sea slug.

How many fucking times do you have to be told how to spell advice before you get it right?

My God you're an incredibly stupid person. It's actually quite astounding to me.

When you're as obese as you are, how many times do you have to sit up straight to catch your breath when tying your shoes?
 

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The removal of the principal is outrageous. If there was a rule in place about social media posts in place prior to he or she making the comment, than the firing may hold up. I hope she is union. I don't agree with the termination by any means, however certain positions in society do require individual discretion prior to action. I don't know any of the mitigating circumstances surrounding the termination. If you're telling me that a principal was terminated for the sole act of saying "that police officer didn't act like a good cop", or "I support better standards for police officers", without any prior history of incidence, than it's as stupid as it sounds.

I answered you about the death threats already. I'm sorry they happened. He can report them to authorities and they can be investigated. Do I think the resultant threats make his actions more acceptable? No, I don't. The other officer that treated the citizens with dignity and respect is not receiving any threats. It's unfortunate and also predictable. Again, it still has nothing to do with the issue that I'm discussing in this thread.

I feel the officer did not act as he should have. I believe he assaulted a teenage girl in a bikini and did it on film. I believe that I'd that was one of the resident adults doing that to that girl he'd be in jail. Police do not get to discharge their own justice without impunity. They are held to the same standards as the rest of society. I think it's very unfortunate that many want to excuse his actions and diminish an assault against a teenage girl that had every right to walk down the street running her mouth. If there were teens being disrespectful or loud, so what. She does not have to pay the price for others actions. Nowhere on the video did she commit a crime. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH AN ILLEGAL SEIZURE. The officer does not have the lethal right to detain a private citizen without cause. She was walking away, whether you agree or not, that's what us shown on the video. It's right there for all to see. We can all deny it and make reference to an "unruly mob" blah blah blah, but the facts still remain. If he's charged and he goes to court, none of what the other kids did will be considered evidence. He will be convicted and he should be. He doesn't get immunity because he used to be a cop. That's not stated anywhere in any law. Not only did he slam her to the ground, he returned to her, grabbed her hair and did it again. Then he forced his knees into here back and out all his weight on her, ignoring her cries that she couldn't breathe. Again, let's say a private resident or one of those boys present did that to her right in front of the cop, what do you think would have happened to them? What would your reaction be then?
 
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