Just when you think this site has got to the Worms..DUI Update
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dr. freeze said:
read the fine print next time you renew your DL...no blow, auto suspension of DL
The 5 states I have had a DL in all had it in the DL agreement...KS, OK, AZ, TX and FL. I think the good Dr resides in KS.
Blaze,
I'm not going to preach all that much, but you are pretty fortunate that you didn't have an accident.
I can totally see KMA's side of the story, and I can understand her anger at how she might see you as "passing it off" a bit.
I know you said that you thought you were okay to drive, but something caused the cop to pull you over, right? That same "something", might have been the cause for you crossing the line a mile down the road, and killing someone. You might have "thought" you were sober as a judge, but at the limit, you would be facing prison time right now, brother.
Just another thought. You might be driving along clear as a bell at .09 or higher. Feel absolutely fine! And WHAM! Someone runs a light and hits you! Totally their fault, but they die.......guess what? You're probably getting that same prison cell.
That shit just aint worth the ride, but it's one "ride" that people will make night after night, and all the close calls, and "did you hear about......", don't mean shit.
Everyone thinks, "That ain't gonna be me, man."
If you believe in a god, maybe he was cuffing you upside the head last night?
:hail
Good luck to you, and everyone else who dares to drink and drive.
I'm not going to preach all that much, but you are pretty fortunate that you didn't have an accident.
I can totally see KMA's side of the story, and I can understand her anger at how she might see you as "passing it off" a bit.
I know you said that you thought you were okay to drive, but something caused the cop to pull you over, right? That same "something", might have been the cause for you crossing the line a mile down the road, and killing someone. You might have "thought" you were sober as a judge, but at the limit, you would be facing prison time right now, brother.
Just another thought. You might be driving along clear as a bell at .09 or higher. Feel absolutely fine! And WHAM! Someone runs a light and hits you! Totally their fault, but they die.......guess what? You're probably getting that same prison cell.
That shit just aint worth the ride, but it's one "ride" that people will make night after night, and all the close calls, and "did you hear about......", don't mean shit.
Everyone thinks, "That ain't gonna be me, man."
If you believe in a god, maybe he was cuffing you upside the head last night?
:hail
Good luck to you, and everyone else who dares to drink and drive.
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gotta agree with yyz
hope you learn something from this instead of "the machine didn't work right"
its very unfortunate that the stench on the bench has allowed enforcement of drinking and driving to be reduced to "the machine didnt work on a routine basis
not only is this a blatant refusal of justice, but it encourages the irresponsible to become more irresponsible and unaccountable for their actions
plenty of alternatives to drinking and driving and putting others lives in danger
hope you learn something from this instead of "the machine didn't work right"
its very unfortunate that the stench on the bench has allowed enforcement of drinking and driving to be reduced to "the machine didnt work on a routine basis
not only is this a blatant refusal of justice, but it encourages the irresponsible to become more irresponsible and unaccountable for their actions
plenty of alternatives to drinking and driving and putting others lives in danger
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yyz said:
YYZ-
I have learned my lesson. I honestly felt fine, I even blew the test to prove it. Iif you reread my first post I invite fellow Madjackers out for beers and a cab.
I was pulled over for speeding 4 miles above the speed limit. Not swerving, not driving poorly, 4 miles above the speed limit. The entire time I was in the cop car I had to look at the 39 on the radar gun. I didn't even get a speeding ticket.
I am sorry for KMA's loss.
Her battle is not with me. Her battle is not with someone on the cusp.
As far as your far reaching "red light" example. You are correct. If that happens then I would be held liable. Also, if a rabid pit bull in a tutu wonders into my house during a super bowl party and slobbers into the bean dip, then I would also be liable. Thanks for the concern.
I have to think that most of the naysayers in this thread have never, ever been arrested.... Seven hours on the "lock-up" along with all of the fines, fees, court costs and "classes" for a first time offender, which are more of a financial penalty than anything else, will "cure" any semi-intellectual individual on the planet..... You "Crusaders" should be much more worried about trhe repeat offenders in our society...and stop trying to put Blazer on the cross....
Like phenom said, there are a lot of "Holier then Thou people on this site..." :hail :hail
yyz, I can see your point, but like the rest of us, you do not know all of the facts.... Blazer has only began the legal process. Nothing is written in stone.... No need to crucify him. I am quite sure after the fines, jail time, court costs, legal fees, etc. he will have much more than paid for his "crime" of being .01 over the legal limt. There is more to this world than just black and white...and a BAC machine doesn't make everything perfectly clear....
Let the one without sin be the one to throw the first stone....
p.s. Doc freeze, please stick to the medical field, buddy... Politics and the legal system just don't seem to suit you, buddy. Sometimes it seems that you switch sides more than a lesiban in an orgy.... :hitwithro
Like phenom said, there are a lot of "Holier then Thou people on this site..." :hail :hail
yyz, I can see your point, but like the rest of us, you do not know all of the facts.... Blazer has only began the legal process. Nothing is written in stone.... No need to crucify him. I am quite sure after the fines, jail time, court costs, legal fees, etc. he will have much more than paid for his "crime" of being .01 over the legal limt. There is more to this world than just black and white...and a BAC machine doesn't make everything perfectly clear....
Let the one without sin be the one to throw the first stone....
p.s. Doc freeze, please stick to the medical field, buddy... Politics and the legal system just don't seem to suit you, buddy. Sometimes it seems that you switch sides more than a lesiban in an orgy.... :hitwithro
taoist said:
yeah you lawyers have everything under control
we will just all trust you all as criminal JUSTICE continues to be sabotaged by bought and paid for trial lawyers and their associated black-robed buddies
JUSTICE, now there is a forgotten word in today's courtroom
instead, to a defense lawyer, honesty is thrown out and instead all aim is to see how we can "weasel out of this one"
as far as any medical test, maybe you lawyers should stay out of how they work instead of claiming they don't work all the time as 100% of trial lawyers do...instead of dealing with reality in an honest way
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...sorry, doc, I'm not a socialist. If you like that system, move to the old Soviet Republic.... :shocked:
since when does a democratic republic exclude honesty in a courtroom?
(by the way, socialism is generally referred to as an economic system, not a legal system)
(by the way, socialism is generally referred to as an economic system, not a legal system)
...show me where the HMO's were mentioned in the Constitution and we'll have a conversation...otherwise, I'm going to bed.... I have to get up early and take up for society's opressed. 
Freeze - I'll bet you never even used the term "trial lawyer" until you heard the bashing of John Edwards begin a year and a half ago. Now it's suddenly this darling little negative word to blame everything on.
Freeze already said he's going to Canada. Just waiting for the papers to clear and u-haul to show up I guess.
Freeze already said he's going to Canada. Just waiting for the papers to clear and u-haul to show up I guess.
seriously guys.. i need an answer to my question.. can i call my bookie on monday morning about technicalites of a wager? i wanna unload on my pick
Jamie, I've refrained from posting in the DUI threads several times for 2 reasons. The first is because I'm sure I'll be berated by some for being a bible thumping holier than thou redneck (and it won't do any good anyway). Secondly, because I like you and consider you a friend even though we've never met ftf. I'm glad you're safe, and I'm glad there was no injury to anyone involved. I'm going to post what I would say to any of my friends who had been involved in something like this. First, what were the "Olympic type tests" that the officer made you perform?
Too many times I've heard conversations between "rich kids" or their fathers about similar situations. They drank a few beers, got pulled over by some asshole (the cop's always an asshole jerk btw), blew right at the limit, got put in the can for a bit, and in the end, got off because they knew the judge or they paid an attorney 15K to make it go away however that is done. That just doesn't set well with me, especially when I see them have drinks and get behind the wheel again.
I have 3 close, personal friends who are police officers. I consider them model citizens both on and off the job, and I've heard all of them lament about DUI cases. How they can catch somebody, have all the facts, cross all their 'ts' and dot all their 'is', and the guy still gets off with a slap on the wrist because of who he knows or who he pays. All 3 of these guys love making DUI arrests, and I applaud them all for their efforts in this matter. It just seems so wrong to me that punishment for these crimes is not carried out. Why even have the laws if charges and arrests can so easily be thrown out?
This seems to border on one of the sorest subjects in my book, and that is responsibility. You have mostly taken responsibility for your actions, but I guess I'd like to see something like, "I'm never going to drink away from home again unless I have a DD or plans to take a cab home". You blew a border number, and although you don't feel you were impaired, the law says you were, and I've seen and read enough about BAL to know those limits are not just set up on a whim.
I'm not quite as passionate about this subject as KMA because I don't know what it's like to lose a family member to a tragedy like hers. That said, it's definitely one of my hot buttons, and like her, I've seen the horrible aftermath and recovery of MANY TBI/accident victims in my work.
Please don't ever give yourself a chance to drink and drive again. Don't have car keys in your possession if you're going to go out and party. That request is for you and all my madjacksports.com friends. Don't give yourself a chance to make a bad decision that could negatively impact you or someone you don't even know for the rest of your life(s).
Too many times I've heard conversations between "rich kids" or their fathers about similar situations. They drank a few beers, got pulled over by some asshole (the cop's always an asshole jerk btw), blew right at the limit, got put in the can for a bit, and in the end, got off because they knew the judge or they paid an attorney 15K to make it go away however that is done. That just doesn't set well with me, especially when I see them have drinks and get behind the wheel again.
I have 3 close, personal friends who are police officers. I consider them model citizens both on and off the job, and I've heard all of them lament about DUI cases. How they can catch somebody, have all the facts, cross all their 'ts' and dot all their 'is', and the guy still gets off with a slap on the wrist because of who he knows or who he pays. All 3 of these guys love making DUI arrests, and I applaud them all for their efforts in this matter. It just seems so wrong to me that punishment for these crimes is not carried out. Why even have the laws if charges and arrests can so easily be thrown out?
This seems to border on one of the sorest subjects in my book, and that is responsibility. You have mostly taken responsibility for your actions, but I guess I'd like to see something like, "I'm never going to drink away from home again unless I have a DD or plans to take a cab home". You blew a border number, and although you don't feel you were impaired, the law says you were, and I've seen and read enough about BAL to know those limits are not just set up on a whim.
I'm not quite as passionate about this subject as KMA because I don't know what it's like to lose a family member to a tragedy like hers. That said, it's definitely one of my hot buttons, and like her, I've seen the horrible aftermath and recovery of MANY TBI/accident victims in my work.
Please don't ever give yourself a chance to drink and drive again. Don't have car keys in your possession if you're going to go out and party. That request is for you and all my madjacksports.com friends. Don't give yourself a chance to make a bad decision that could negatively impact you or someone you don't even know for the rest of your life(s).
Blazer said:
I really wish that I didin't have to leave for work right now, as I need about a half hour to write what I need to say to all of this.
I guess I'll just touch on this for now:
If you think any cop in this entire country, would ever pull you over for doing 4 MPH over the posted speed limit, then you must still be drunk!
That's the excuse they use for pulling you over, because the "little bit of weaving" you "think you were not doing", might not be a good enough reason to stop you.
Bottom line? He though he might have a drunk driver, and he was right.
As for my "far reaching" example above? Here's another........You sound like a guy who aint learned shit.
Holier than thou.......fuk you guys.
yyz said:
YYZ- The speed gun on the dash was stopped at 39 MPH. It blinked the entire time I was in the car from where he had clocked me.
You are speaking a bit out of turn, my friend. In Nashville we have eight DUI enforcement officers. Thier primary duty is to find DUI cases. I guess my arresting officer had a dry spell and took a flyer on a 4 mpher.
Question: If I was speeding, why did I not recieve a ticket?
Answer: Because I was only doing 4 miles above the limit and (your point) no cop in the country would give someone a ticket for four miles over the speed limit. They might not give a ticket, but they will pull you over.
I can't prove to you that I have learned any lesson. Read my posts, I have never bragged about any of this... I only posted happiness about retaining a lawyer at a lower rate due to the kindness of a fellow madjack poster.
Cops are great guys/gals... They never do anything wrong.
They never ever ever get drunk and drive their police car around...
They never hit people when driving around drunk and kill them...
They never have multiple DUIs and stay on the force...
They never switch on their lights just to get through a stoplight, and then say they were headed to a call when they crash into someone and cause severe injuriies or death.
They never abuse the system...
They never abuse their privileges....
People that have been pulled over for suspected DUI should be shot on site, with two clips to make sure they are dead...
We shouldn't even have courtrooms, if someone is accused of shoplifting; cut off their hand, accused of rape; cut off their genitals with a rusty dull knife, accused of murder, hang them at high noon...
Doctors should not be liable for any harm that comes to a person, hell they tried right...
If an attorney causes any harm they should be fed to sharks, fitting right...
I should pass judgement on everyone else regardless of what I know, because I am king of this world so get off my planet...
I think this about covers everything in this thread....
:director: :talk: :nooo:
They never ever ever get drunk and drive their police car around...
They never hit people when driving around drunk and kill them...
They never have multiple DUIs and stay on the force...
They never switch on their lights just to get through a stoplight, and then say they were headed to a call when they crash into someone and cause severe injuriies or death.
They never abuse the system...
They never abuse their privileges....
People that have been pulled over for suspected DUI should be shot on site, with two clips to make sure they are dead...
We shouldn't even have courtrooms, if someone is accused of shoplifting; cut off their hand, accused of rape; cut off their genitals with a rusty dull knife, accused of murder, hang them at high noon...
Doctors should not be liable for any harm that comes to a person, hell they tried right...
If an attorney causes any harm they should be fed to sharks, fitting right...
I should pass judgement on everyone else regardless of what I know, because I am king of this world so get off my planet...
I think this about covers everything in this thread....
:director: :talk: :nooo:
Clint,
I am not a rich man. I am not one of those people you described that has wealthy parents or that can buy their way out of trouble. You understand my social standing. I have a better job since we last spoke but I haven't been bumped to a higher tax bracket or anything. I consider you a friend as well. Honestly, I'm glad to be safe and I'm glad there was no injury to anyone.
To answer your questions: The phrase "Drunk Olympics" is a term my friends and I use to describe any of the sobriety tests given by an officer. Officer Taylor made me (sorry i do not know the real names) "hold my head still and follow the pen with my eyes", "stand on one foot and count to 20 Mississippi", "stand on the other foot and count to 20 Mississippi", "hold my head still and follow the pen(again)", "walk toe to toe in a straight line, spin and walk back", then in what seemed like an effort to try to find a reason to arrest me he did the "hold your head still and follow the pen with your eyes" a third time.
I'm sorry to disappoint you, my friend. I was honestly trying to stay within the law. I acquiesced to the breath test because I thought I was within the law. Please don't think that I was partying my ass off all night and flippantly got in my car and drove home without regard for my fellow man. In fact, I have partied my ass off and given up my keys. I have scheduled cabs. I have even rented downtown hotel rooms, so I would not have to worry about driving home. I have done all of these as a responsible adult should.
I was playing poker in a friend?s living room. We watched the Preds beat the Red wings, had a few pops, and ordered pizza. I?m sorry if I am not wrought with guilt, but the truth is?.I?m not.
If you need solace, take the fact that I will be more careful.
KMA- I am still sorry for your loss
I am not a rich man. I am not one of those people you described that has wealthy parents or that can buy their way out of trouble. You understand my social standing. I have a better job since we last spoke but I haven't been bumped to a higher tax bracket or anything. I consider you a friend as well. Honestly, I'm glad to be safe and I'm glad there was no injury to anyone.
To answer your questions: The phrase "Drunk Olympics" is a term my friends and I use to describe any of the sobriety tests given by an officer. Officer Taylor made me (sorry i do not know the real names) "hold my head still and follow the pen with my eyes", "stand on one foot and count to 20 Mississippi", "stand on the other foot and count to 20 Mississippi", "hold my head still and follow the pen(again)", "walk toe to toe in a straight line, spin and walk back", then in what seemed like an effort to try to find a reason to arrest me he did the "hold your head still and follow the pen with your eyes" a third time.
I'm sorry to disappoint you, my friend. I was honestly trying to stay within the law. I acquiesced to the breath test because I thought I was within the law. Please don't think that I was partying my ass off all night and flippantly got in my car and drove home without regard for my fellow man. In fact, I have partied my ass off and given up my keys. I have scheduled cabs. I have even rented downtown hotel rooms, so I would not have to worry about driving home. I have done all of these as a responsible adult should.
I was playing poker in a friend?s living room. We watched the Preds beat the Red wings, had a few pops, and ordered pizza. I?m sorry if I am not wrought with guilt, but the truth is?.I?m not.
If you need solace, take the fact that I will be more careful.
KMA- I am still sorry for your loss
