Long-awaited deflate-gate investigation implicates Pats, Tom Brady
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As much as some of you want him to be guilty, there is absolutely nothing I see that implicates Brady. The report, in my opinion, is garbage. It's a self serving manifesto that is concluded with a subjective opinion. The guys a great player and he'll keep all his rings. There won't be an asterisk or any of that crap. It's so easy to sit back and jump on the wagon and say he's guilty but if any one person here thinks that report rises to the level of a smoking gun or hard evidence than you're not being sensible. I'm sure everyone would have an absolute shit fit if they were the ones being judged with such thin and ridiculous evidence.
You guys all seem to forget that Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux got caught with illegal curves in their sticks at one point in their careers. They got a penalty and a new stick. Where's your anger and calling for their heads? Everyone knows that pitchers scratch up and rub the ball, is that cheating? Is fucking ridiculous and a waste of time to even discuss it. The Colts got caught with three low balls after the game too. It sure as fuck didn't cause them to lose by more than 30 points
You guys all seem to forget that Wayne Gretzky and Mario Lemieux got caught with illegal curves in their sticks at one point in their careers. They got a penalty and a new stick. Where's your anger and calling for their heads? Everyone knows that pitchers scratch up and rub the ball, is that cheating? Is fucking ridiculous and a waste of time to even discuss it. The Colts got caught with three low balls after the game too. It sure as fuck didn't cause them to lose by more than 30 points
Are you insane? Who in those texts is referd to as Tom? Is there another Tom on the Pats that requests lowered air pressure? No there is no smoking gun or fingerprints on the needles but wtf, of course he is guilty.
It shouldn't matter if they blew out Indy or anyone. Rules are rules and there should be a punishment for breaking them. Have you seen NE's fumble rate in one of the worst weather stadiums in the league? I'm thinking this has been going on for years. So now, thanks to this franchise the NFL will be checking balls mandatory and probably passing a rule making it illegal for ineligible receivers to line up outside the tackles. This entire franchise needs to be watched like a red headed stepchild watching porn.
something similar happened back when jack and I played.(but it was much harder to deflate a stegosaurus skin).....
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Can't wait to see how this plays out. If Goodell gave Sean Peyton a year for bounty gate saying he should have known what was going on and it was detrimental to the league, shouldn't the Pats face the same type of penalty? Hell he gave Ben 6 games without being charged with a crime. :0corn:0corn:0corn
I'm not sure you and I are reading the same thing. Where on earth in any of those texts does it say anything even remotely close to Tom Brady requesting that the game balls be listed below legal limit?
I see one seies of texts that says a game ball got measured at 16 psi which is well over game time limit.
You say of course he's guilty because of what you read so it would be reasonable to assume you had to make some assumptions to create that bridge, correct? Wouldn't it be more reasonable, given the dates of the messages and that they were on consecutive Sundays, to assume that having been caught by a ref with a 16 psi ball that the ball would need to be deflated in order to meet standard. So would it be unreasonable to assume that maybe the one person on the team that touches the football more than anyone might notice an over inflated ball and maybe, just maybe said something like "what the fuck, this ball feels over inflated"?
An even more reasonable conclusion would be that the equipment manager would ensure his assistant didn't get caught with another 16 psi ball, and therefore made reference to him deflating the ball?
I'm not insane at all, but suspending the tenets of what we historically call proof of guilt simply because you want to see the guy you don't like get labeled as a cheater might be.
The conversation in those texts is about a ambiguous as it gets.
The needle they're referring to is used to inflate as well as deflate the ball, you're assuming it's meant for one purpose.
Sportsaholic- Jaek is going nuts about the tires.
FDC-fuck jaek
Sportsaholic-I'm bringing a pressure guage to you Sunday
FDC- fuck jaek.
From that conversation can you issue Jaek a traffic ticket and suspend his license for using illegal snow tires?
Hope this helps,
FDC
I see one seies of texts that says a game ball got measured at 16 psi which is well over game time limit.
You say of course he's guilty because of what you read so it would be reasonable to assume you had to make some assumptions to create that bridge, correct? Wouldn't it be more reasonable, given the dates of the messages and that they were on consecutive Sundays, to assume that having been caught by a ref with a 16 psi ball that the ball would need to be deflated in order to meet standard. So would it be unreasonable to assume that maybe the one person on the team that touches the football more than anyone might notice an over inflated ball and maybe, just maybe said something like "what the fuck, this ball feels over inflated"?
An even more reasonable conclusion would be that the equipment manager would ensure his assistant didn't get caught with another 16 psi ball, and therefore made reference to him deflating the ball?
I'm not insane at all, but suspending the tenets of what we historically call proof of guilt simply because you want to see the guy you don't like get labeled as a cheater might be.
The conversation in those texts is about a ambiguous as it gets.
The needle they're referring to is used to inflate as well as deflate the ball, you're assuming it's meant for one purpose.
Sportsaholic- Jaek is going nuts about the tires.
FDC-fuck jaek
Sportsaholic-I'm bringing a pressure guage to you Sunday
FDC- fuck jaek.
From that conversation can you issue Jaek a traffic ticket and suspend his license for using illegal snow tires?
Hope this helps,
FDC
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ouldnt-find-game-balls-before-afc-title-game/
you really going to make the argument that it`s just fine for these yo-yo`s to abscond with the game balls from the official`s lockerroom (take them into a BATHROOM and deflate them to brady`s liking) contrary to nfl protocol and without the refs permission and accompaniment?.....
that`s some serious quality control right there....
not to mention the fact that mr " I didn`t do anything wrong" has lawyered up and refused to cooperate with the investigation(imo,mr innocent should be suspended for refusing to cooperate).........
""We offered to allow Brady's counsel to screen and control the production so that it would be limited strictly to responsive materials and would not involve our taking possession of Brady's telephone or other electronic devices," the report said. "Our inability to review contemporaneous communications and other documents in Brady's possession and control related to the matters under review potentially limited the discovery of relevant evidence and was not helpful to the investigation.""
a chance to prove his innocence and he passed....no reason to suspect any shenanigans here....
at least the lowly equipment guys still have their swag...
?On January 10, 2015,? the report continued, ?immediately prior to the game between the Patriots and the Ravens, in the Patriots equipment room with both Brady and Jastremski present, McNally received two footballs autographed by Brady and also had Brady autograph a game-worn Patriots jersey that McNally previously had obtained.?
McNally told investigators the signed jersey now hangs in his home and ?claims to have made no efforts to sell the autographed items.?
Jastremski reportedly ?also has received various items of value from Brady, including in the months before the AFC Championship Game.? These items included a $1,500 tip during the 2014 holiday season, $500 in cash and gift cards, and two tickets to a Lakers game in Los Angeles, according to Jastremski.
Jastremski also claimed Brady autographed and presented to him ?the ball that was used in the game on the play when (Brady) passed? the 50,000-yard mark for his career during an Oct. 8 win over the Cincinnati Bengals.?
brady`s very fond of these guys...magnanimous to a fault...
I can`t even fathom a clear thinking person not thinking this investigation was totally warranted......
Okay Weasie, please explain to me how any of that makes him complicit in anything? So a wealthy quarterback gives his friend who's the equipment manager on his team some swag? That means he's a cheater? He doesn't hand some fucking dude his phone to go through when he's one of the most famous people in the country and that makes him a cheater? Let's think about this a minute. I'm sure you've seen people get arrested on t.v. right? Doesn't everybody have the right to tell some one fuck you I'm not letting you go through my phone? Do you honestly think any quarterback of his fame would just hand over all their pictures, texts, contacts, emails, maybe banking information? Really? To some fucking dude? Thats ridiculous.
Many equipment managers befriend long time players in all sports. It's not abnormal for players to give swag and money to them. A good example of this would be Clint Reif. He was the equipment manager of the Blackhawks until he took his own life last year. Check out the swag he had and what the team did for him and his family when he passed. Listen to the stories told by his best friend Jonathon Toews. Is Toews a cheater because he donated $20k to his family?
The thing is, most want to hold athletes to standards that they themselves don't even meet. Call for outrageous punishments for "crimes against humanity" that they themselves have either committed or applauded recently. Example would be Adrian Peterson and the woman beating her kids ass on video in Baltimore because he was looting. She's a hero, he's a child abuser.
We don't get to pick and choose when we want to apply the standards of justice and moral integrity.
If your kid was being expelled from school based on weak ass supposition such as this crap, you wouldn't think the evidence was so compelling then, I assure you.
Again, show me a single piece of tangible evidence, one, and I'd probably reconsider, but this is an outright propaganda railroad against Brady and the Patriots.
One more thing, the infraction being investigated was for that one game. That's it.
So you go on hoping for the worst for Brady but to say it's not even minimally driven by disdain for the guy, is not something I believe those of you calling for his head could pass on a lie detector test. As a matter of fact, I have just presented the exact same amount of evidence against your bias towards Brady as that report did. So I guess that means you "more probable than not guilty".
Still love ya though brother, ya cheating bastard. .... lol
Hope this helps,
Many equipment managers befriend long time players in all sports. It's not abnormal for players to give swag and money to them. A good example of this would be Clint Reif. He was the equipment manager of the Blackhawks until he took his own life last year. Check out the swag he had and what the team did for him and his family when he passed. Listen to the stories told by his best friend Jonathon Toews. Is Toews a cheater because he donated $20k to his family?
The thing is, most want to hold athletes to standards that they themselves don't even meet. Call for outrageous punishments for "crimes against humanity" that they themselves have either committed or applauded recently. Example would be Adrian Peterson and the woman beating her kids ass on video in Baltimore because he was looting. She's a hero, he's a child abuser.
We don't get to pick and choose when we want to apply the standards of justice and moral integrity.
If your kid was being expelled from school based on weak ass supposition such as this crap, you wouldn't think the evidence was so compelling then, I assure you.
Again, show me a single piece of tangible evidence, one, and I'd probably reconsider, but this is an outright propaganda railroad against Brady and the Patriots.
One more thing, the infraction being investigated was for that one game. That's it.
So you go on hoping for the worst for Brady but to say it's not even minimally driven by disdain for the guy, is not something I believe those of you calling for his head could pass on a lie detector test. As a matter of fact, I have just presented the exact same amount of evidence against your bias towards Brady as that report did. So I guess that means you "more probable than not guilty".
Still love ya though brother, ya cheating bastard. .... lol
Hope this helps,
He Probably was cheating, but I agree with FDC, the evidence just isn't there. unless I see a text where Tom says to them to make sure the balls are below the legal limit then I can't convict him. he could have said I want them at the lowest limit, they can have them below the 16 you know. that's all Brady has to say, I wanted the balls at the lowest legal limit and what these two guys are texting each other is just making fun of me joking around. do I believe that? no I don't but the report is not hard evidence, it's just a probable outcome and nothing set in stone.
He tried to thwart the investigation. We know he cheated. Therefore everything he says is suspect since he obviously lacks integrity.
The Pats are an organization involved in repeated cheating. They have stolen the fairness of competition from their opponents and from fans. The punishment must be severe.
Forfeit the number one pick in the next draft. Suspend Brady for a year.
One million dollar fine.
Without a penalty, the NFL condones the cheating and approves an atmosphere where outcomes of games are suspect.
the dirty clints
The Pats are an organization involved in repeated cheating. They have stolen the fairness of competition from their opponents and from fans. The punishment must be severe.
Forfeit the number one pick in the next draft. Suspend Brady for a year.
One million dollar fine.
Without a penalty, the NFL condones the cheating and approves an atmosphere where outcomes of games are suspect.
the dirty clints
BP this isn't a criminal investigation, it's the NFL. Goodell doesn't need solid evidence to fine or suspend someone. It's been done before. No reason to treat his chum any different. If there is favoritism toward certain organizations then we have bigger problems.
didn't AP and Rice win with arbitrator? if Brady gets suspended and he wants to fight it, he would win.
Okay, so there's not enough evidence against Brady, then the team is responsible for playing with deflated balls and they get all the fines and penalties and whatever. Somebody has to pay.
The balls were deflated in order to gain an edge and they've probably been doing this for years.
The balls were deflated in order to gain an edge and they've probably been doing this for years.
No they weren't, that's the whole point. And how would you know they've been doing it for years? Because they don't fumble a lot? Christ! The balls were measured prior to the game just like the rule states. At no time does anyone of authority within the organization deflate the balls or order that they be deflated. You have no evidence of that. At least KOD said it, he thinks it's a cheating organization with a history. Why can't you guys just face the real facts, you want them to be guilty. You believe them to be guilty because you don't like them. No way you call for suspension or anything if this is Flacco. No way. You still defend Ray Lewis for fucks sake and he was involved in a murder.
Then others are calling for ridiculous and outrageous suspensions for something you have zero proof ever happened?
I don't know why it's so hard for grown men to admit they may possibly have just a little bias towards Brady and the Pats. I really don't. It never ceases to amaze me how stubborn people can be.
Josh Brent killed a fucking guy and got a one year suspension, and there are people calling for the same suspension of Brady. That's fucking stupid
They fucking cheated for christsakes. If you can't see that, you're blind.
You just like taking the contrary opinion and debating it and you do a very good job but, I'm not going to feed you anymore on this topic.
See what I did there?
Love ya bro but I'm out. :0008
