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hmm, honestly AR? Ok, here is one from Nov 07. I will continue to dig them up, but damn, are you serious? All FOX and Rush and the great American Hannity, etc... have done is bash Hillary. Have you noticed that GW, DTB and others don't support anyone, but they know that they hate Hillary? They all are being fed from the same trough.

btw, let me know how many examples you would like.
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Fox and Friends devoted two segments to bashing Hillary Clinton today in their 6 to 8 a.m. est time period. First they had the author, Ronald Kessler, (Kessler is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com,) on his book, 'The Terrorist Watch' (with the banner 'in stores today') who said we are winning the war in Iraq. He said we were tremendously successful and you won't see that headline in the Washington Post or the NY Times and that's why we haven't been attacked.

He said saying otherwise was all untrue. The American people had been bamboozled. He said that Hillary and Obama voted to give Osama Bin Laden the same rights as Americans. He said they couldn't intercept a call from Bin Laden in Pakistan to someone in Pakistan. And Doocy amd Kilmeade were there supporting him.

In the second segment Gretchen Carlson (all smiles) said Hilary Clinton was exposed, that a new book was dishing on the Senator and presidential contender and they'd be talking to the author in a few minutes.
 

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hmm, honestly AR? Ok, here is one from Nov 07. I will continue to dig them up, but damn, are you serious? All FOX and Rush and the great American Hannity, etc... have done is bash Hillary. Have you noticed that GW, DTB and others don't support anyone, but they know that they hate Hillary? They all are being fed from the same trough.

btw, let me know how many examples you would like.
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Fox and Friends devoted two segments to bashing Hillary Clinton today in their 6 to 8 a.m. est time period. First they had the author, Ronald Kessler, (Kessler is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com,) on his book, 'The Terrorist Watch' (with the banner 'in stores today') who said we are winning the war in Iraq. He said we were tremendously successful and you won't see that headline in the Washington Post or the NY Times and that's why we haven't been attacked.

He said saying otherwise was all untrue. The American people had been bamboozled. He said that Hillary and Obama voted to give Osama Bin Laden the same rights as Americans. He said they couldn't intercept a call from Bin Laden in Pakistan to someone in Pakistan. And Doocy amd Kilmeade were there supporting him.

In the second segment Gretchen Carlson (all smiles) said Hilary Clinton was exposed, that a new book was dishing on the Senator and presidential contender and they'd be talking to the author in a few minutes.

thanks jw...i don't want you to knock yourself out doing this ...just tell me where i can go to read it.

btw, i didn't mean to put you on the spot. i'm trying to understand why do people consistently hate fox so much, yet keep watching them or posting about them. but don't post about the hatred of other politicians by other networks...ie... the ongoing feud with the clinton people & nbc...

hannity i could understand because he is a commentator, like chris matthews who also constantly knocks clinton...& rush (who i have never listened to) doesn't work for fox.
 
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I could very well be overstating it AR. It just seems to me in the few times that I have watched FOX political coverage that they are obsessed with Hillary bashing. I know that Rush and the like have been bashing her for some time. I am no big fan myself, but I do think that the right these days is more than ever defining itself by attacking Hillary. I also believe it is wasted effort as OBama is going to win the nomination.
 

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I could very well be overstating it AR. It just seems to me in the few times that I have watched FOX political coverage that they are obsessed with Hillary bashing. I know that Rush and the like have been bashing her for some time. I am no big fan myself, but I do think that the right these days is more than ever defining itself by attacking Hillary. I also believe it is wasted effort as OBama is going to win the nomination.

i think there are a few media outlets, including the ny times have a "hard on" for the clintons...
 

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she wins with pennsylvania/ohio/texas and the super delegates......

and btw...anybody else think this "poor mouthing' is a ploy to spruce up the coffers a bit?.....

i hear donations are coming in pretty heavily after this story came out....

pretty shrewd...

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February 8, 2008

BY ASSOCIATED PRESS

NEW ORLEANS -- Battling for every dollar and delegate, Barack Obama raised $7.2 million in Super Tuesday's wake and Hillary Rodham Clinton pulled in $6.4 million, stunning totals reflecting the intensity of their neck-and-neck race for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Keenly aware of Obama's growing strength, Clinton challenged him to five debates in the next month. Obama put her off.

''We'll have some debates,'' Obama promised. But first, he said, ''I've got to spend time with voters.'' Clinton, he argued, is better-known to voters in states coming up on the primary calendar.

Clinton, who loaned her campaign $5 million in the run-up to Super Tuesday, brushed aside the notion she has money problems. She pointed to the roughly even split of delegates still being allocated from Tuesday's primaries and caucuses as evidence her campaign has the financial muscle to compete.

''We're going to be fine,'' said Clinton. ''By the end of the week, we'll be back on track,'' she told ABC.

The two Democrats are competing for delegates Saturday in Washington, Louisiana, Nebraska and Maine:
 

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hmm, honestly AR? Ok, here is one from Nov 07. I will continue to dig them up, but damn, are you serious? All FOX and Rush and the great American Hannity, etc... have done is bash Hillary. Have you noticed that GW, DTB and others don't support anyone, but they know that they hate Hillary? They all are being fed from the same trough.



Actually Jabbers I was still on the fence till I saw Romney's concession speech (below) now its too late.
--and thank you for posting it AR --or I would have missed the campaighn high-light.

Transcript of Romney?s Speech Withdrawing From the RaceGovernor Romney?s Address to the Conservative Political Action Committee ? February 7, 2008

I want to begin by saying thank you. It?s great to be with you again. And I look forward to joining with you many more times in the future.

Last year, CPAC gave me the sendoff I needed. I was in single digits in the polls and I was facing household Republican names. As of today, more than 4 million people have given me their vote for president, less than Senator McCain?s 4.7 million, but quite a statement nonetheless. 11 states have given me their nod, compared to his 13. Of course, because size does matter, he?s doing quite a bit better with his number of delegates.

To all of you, thank you for caring enough about the future of America to show up, stand up and speak up for conservative principles.

As I said to you last year, conservative principles are needed now more than ever. We face a new generation of challenges, challenges which threaten our prosperity, our security and our future. I am convinced that unless America changes course, we will become the France of the 21st century?still a great nation, but no longer the leader of the world, no longer the superpower. And to me, that is unthinkable. Simon Peres, in a visit to Boston, was asked what he thought about the war in Iraq. ?First,? he said, ?I must put something in context. America is unique in the history of the world. In the history of the world, whenever there has been conflict, the nation that wins takes land from the nation that loses. One nation in history, and this during the last century, laid down hundreds of thousands of lives and took no land. No land from Germany, no land from Japan, no land from Korea. America is unique in the sacrifice it has made for liberty, for itself and for freedom loving people around the world.? The best ally peace has ever known, and will ever know, is a strong America!

And that is why we must rise to the occasion, as we have always done before, to confront the challenges ahead. Perhaps the most fundamental of these is the attack on the American culture.

Over the years, my business has taken me to many countries. I have been struck by the enormous differences in the wealth and well-being of people of different nations. I have read a number of scholarly explanations for the disparities. I found the most convincing was that written by David Landes, a professor emeritus from Harvard University. I presume he?s a liberal?I guess that?s redundant. His work traces the coming and going of great civilizations throughout history. After hundreds of pages of analysis, he concludes with this:
If we learn anything from the history of economic development, it is that culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference.

What is it about American culture that has led us to become the most powerful nation in the history of the world? We believe in hard work and education. We love opportunity: almost all of us are immigrants or descendants of immigrants who came here for opportunity?opportunity is in our DNA. Americans love God, and those who don?t have faith, typically believe in something greater than themselves?a ?Purpose Driven Life.? And we sacrifice everything we have, even our lives, for our families, our freedoms and our country. The values and beliefs of the free American people are the source of our nation?s strength and they always will be!

The threat to our culture comes from within. The 1960?s welfare programs created a culture of poverty. Some think we won that battle when we reformed welfare, but the liberals haven?t given up. At every turn, they try to substitute government largesse for individual responsibility. They fight to strip work requirements from welfare, to put more people on Medicaid, and to remove more and more people from having to pay any income tax whatsoever. Dependency is death to initiative, risk-taking and opportunity. Dependency is a culture-killing drug?we have got to fight it like the poison it is!

The attack on faith and religion is no less relentless. And tolerance for pornography?even celebration of it?and sexual promiscuity, combined with the twisted incentives of government welfare programs have led to today?s grim realities: 68% of African American children are born out-of-wedlock, 45% of Hispanic children, and 25% of White children. How much harder it is for these children to succeed in school?and in life. A nation built on the principles of the founding fathers cannot long stand when its children are raised without fathers in the home.

The development of a child is enhanced by having a mother and father. Such a family is the ideal for the future of the child and for the strength of a nation. I wonder how it is that unelected judges, like some in my state of Massachusetts, are so unaware of this reality, so oblivious to the millennia of recorded history. It is time for the people of America to fortify marriage through constitutional amendment, so that liberal judges cannot continue to attack it!

Europe is facing a demographic disaster. That is the inevitable product of weakened faith in the Creator, failed families, disrespect for the sanctity of human life and eroded morality. Some reason that culture is merely an accessory to America?s vitality; we know that it is the source of our strength. And we are not dissuaded by the snickers and knowing glances when we stand up for family values, and morality, and culture. We will always be honored to stand on principle and to stand for principle.

The attack on our culture is not our sole challenge. We face economic competition unlike anything we have ever known before. China and Asia are emerging from centuries of poverty. Their people are plentiful, innovative, and ambitious. If we do not change course, Asia or China will pass us by as the economic superpower, just as we passed England and France during the last century. The prosperity and security of our children and grandchildren depend on us.

Our prosperity and security also depend on finally acting to become energy secure. Oil producing states like Russia and Venezuela, Saudi Arabia and Iran are siphoning over $400 billion per year from our economy?that?s almost what we spend annually for defense. It is past time for us to invest in energy technology, nuclear power, clean coal, liquid coal, renewable sources and energy efficiency. America must never be held hostage by the likes of Putin, Chavez, and Ahmendinejad.

And our economy is also burdened by the inexorable ramping of government spending. Don?t focus on the pork alone?even though it is indeed irritating and shameful. Look at the entitlements. `They make up 60% of federal spending today. By the end of the next President?s second term, they will total 70%. Any conservative plan for the future has to include entitlement reform that solves the problem, not just acknowledges it.

Most politicians don?t seem to understand the connection between our ability to compete and our national wealth, and the wealth of our families. They act as if money just happens?that it?s just there. But every dollar represents a good or service produced in the private sector. Depress the private sector and you depress the well-being of Americans.

That?s exactly what happens with high taxes, over-regulation, tort windfalls, mandates, and overfed, over-spending government. Did you see that today, government workers make more money than people who work in the private sector. Can you imagine what happens to an economy where the best opportunities are for bureaucrats?

It?s high time to lower taxes, including corporate taxes, to take a weed-whacker to government regulations, to reform entitlements, and to stand up to the increasingly voracious appetite of the unions in our government!

And finally, let?s consider the greatest challenge facing America?and facing the entire civilized world: the threat of violent, radical Jihad. In one wing of the world of Islam, there is a conviction that all governments should be destroyed and replaced by a religious caliphate. These Jihadists will battle any form of democracy?to them, democracy is blasphemous for it says that citizens, not God shape the law. They find the idea of human equality to be offensive. They hate everything we believe about freedom just as we hate everything they believe about radical Jihad.

To battle this threat, we have sent the most courageous and brave soldiers in the world. But their numbers have been depleted by the Clinton years when troops were reduced by 500,000, when 80 ships were retired from the Navy, and when our human intelligence was slashed by 25%. We were told that we were getting a peace dividend. We got the dividend, but we didn?t get the peace. In the face of evil in radical Jihad and given the inevitable military ambitions of China, we must act to rebuild our military might. Raise military spending to 4% of our GDP, purchase the most modern armament, re-shape our fighting forces for the asymmetric demands we now face, and give the veterans the care they deserve!

Soon, the face of liberalism in America will have a new name. Whether it is Barack or Hillary, the result would be the same if they were to win the Presidency. The opponents of American culture would push the throttle, devising new justifications for judges to depart from the constitution. Economic neophytes would layer heavier and heavier burdens on employers and families, slowing our economy and opening the way for foreign competition to further erode our lead.

Even though we face an uphill fight, I know that many in this room are fully behind my campaign.? You are with me all the way to the convention. Fight on, just like Ronald Reagan did in 1976. But there is an important difference from 1976: today? we are a nation at war.

And Barack and Hillary have made their intentions clear regarding Iraq and the war on terror. They would retreat and declare defeat. And the consequence of that would be devastating. It would mean attacks on America, launched from safe havens that make Afghanistan under the Taliban look like child?s play. About this, I have no doubt.

I disagree with Senator McCain on a number of issues, as you know. But I agree with him on doing whatever it takes to be successful in Iraq, on finding and executing Osama bin Laden, and on eliminating Al Qaeda and terror. If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror.

This is not an easy decision for me. I hate to lose. My family, my friends and our supporters? many of you right here in this room? have given a great deal to get me where I have a shot at becoming President. If this were only about me, I would go on. But I entered this race because I love America, and because I love America, I feel I must now stand aside, for our party and for our country.

I will continue to stand for conservative principles; I will fight alongside you for all the things we believe in. And one of those things is that we cannot allow the next President of the United States to retreat in the face evil extremism!!

It is the common task of each generation?and the burden of liberty?to preserve this country, expand its freedoms and renew its spirit so that its noble past is prologue to its glorious future.

To this task? accepting this burden? we are all dedicated, and I firmly believe, by the providence of the Almighty, that we will succeed beyond our fondest hope. America must remain, as it has always been, the hope of the earth.

Thank you, and God bless America
 

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and let me add,what if this goes to a brokered convention?.....what if neither candidate has enough delegates?...

they go to convention,and say that obama leads in the delegate count...

then,as is expected,say bill and hill pull some political strings and get the nod due to the roughly 7-800 super delelgates(party politicos/senators etc)....

can you begin to imagine the chaos that would ensue from all these young obama supporters and the black community?....

i`m salivating at the prospect..

That (fairly likely) clusterf*ck scenario is probably the only way the democrats can once again snatch defeat from victory.

DNC Chairman Howard Dean is already banging his drum that Obama and Clinton will need to 'make an arrangement', ie, one of them should step down, if a stalemate is imminent before convention time.

Yeah, I could see that happening. :rolleyes:

Just as W splintered beyond recognition the Republican party, and McCain is about the least likely to put it back together, he very well might win if there is an epic intra-party battle between Billary and Obama which would in al likelyhood implode the democratic party.

There surely might be some entertaining times ahead, though.
 

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Just as W splintered beyond recognition the Republican party, and McCain is about the least likely to put it back together, he very well might win if there is an epic intra-party battle between Billary and Obama which would in al likelyhood implode the democratic party.

There surely might be some entertaining times ahead, though.

although i agree with you about bush & mccain, i think when "push comes to shove", the conservatives will not sit this election out & cast their vote for mccain....& i also think mccain will get enough of the hispanic & independent votes for him to win the election over either obama or hillary..
 

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This country is not ready for a black president or a woman president. I think conservatives will get out and vote for McCain. If the dems win we are in big trouble:mj08: We will be the laughingstock of the world and terrorists will be loving it. Also, make sure if the liberals win divest every dime you have in the stock market and move to cash, taxes will go up 50%, scary isn't it?
 

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Wayne, what's your take on how Kentucky goes? I think Hillary wins pretty easily. Too many people associate Obama with a muslim. I think Kentucky will be won by the Republican party in the general election too.

also agree that the Democrats royally focked up by not putting up at least a moderate candidate for the nomination. I can't see myself voting for either Hillary or Obama, and I really don't want to vote for McCain either. Sad, sad election this fall. Candidates all suck.
 

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This country is not ready for a black president or a woman president.

What does this even mean? Oh, YOU are not ready for a bitch or a negro. America certainly is, but it has to be the right one.

Think about this-if W's admin had been even the slightest bit competent, Condi Rice would probably be in the mix in 2012. Can you imagine? A NEGRO BITCH!! THE HORROR!

The events of the last 8 years have obviously made a run by her, ever, impossible.

She has the intelligence, and will have had pretty broad experience in the White House, but unfortunately the political careers of anyone associated with this admin are done.

How about Colin Powell? If his wife allowed him to try, and had he any more political ambition than he does, he very likely would have won the 2000 or 2004 election by a landslide.

Of course even if he and his wife changed their mind in say, 2012, he is ruined after they paraded him up there in front of the U.N. to make the WMD case with ridiculously bogus, false info.

His career in the public eye was also destroyed by this admin, and I doubt he cares one bit.

By all accounts, his stance is 'good riddance to all this shit', please leave me alone now.

He's not bitter, just resigned to the fact that in politics, there is a good chance that ones perfect reputation can and will be used to further agendas of those higher up the totem pole.
 

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I really think McCain gets his ass handed to him. But then again, I'm in the thick of things living here. Obama is huge in this city.

This may be because of how much my girlfriend (D) hates Hillary with a passion, but I haven't come across anyone, esp of the female persuasion, that likes Hillary at all. :shrug:
 

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i`m loving all these "savvy" politicians "endorsing" mccain now that he`s got the nomination wrapped up......

no guts ,no glory,i guess...:rolleyes:

btw....i`m very thankful that nobody in the republican party takes black rino`s like powell or condi rice seriously as potential presidential candidates(even though the dems love em)...


they`re both far from conservative....and thankfully,we don`t nominate candidates just because they`re "women" or "minorities".....

thats a liberal affliction...
 

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btw....i`m very thankful that nobody in the republican party takes black rino`s like powell or condi rice seriously as potential presidential candidates(even though the dems love em)...

they`re both far from conservative....and thankfully,we don`t nominate candidates just because they`re "women" or "minorities".....

I guess that's in response to my post.

Condi? I'd have a very hard time supporting because her only real experience would have been with W. My point, though, was that she'd get some play in 2012 if things happened differently.

Powell? I would have voted for him in 2000, 2004, 2008 and would in any other year that he were to choose to run. He has a sober, realistic view of when, and when not to, commit our troops and to what extent. He is also politically savvy, which is huge in the scheme of things. He goes back to the Reagan admin, he's had jobs in the Pentagon, obviously, but also much experience as a civilian NSA.

Weasel,

If you would, please back up your comment that 'they're both far from conservatives.' Thanks.

If you mean that Powell didn't rubber stamp this current occupation in Iraq, execpt somewhat under coercion at the UN, then just say it, but I must have missed his policy statements. Or Condi's, I guess. All she's done is glom onto whatever w has said for the last 8 years.

And on that note, where does being a dissenter to an action that was opposed by himself, Cheney, 41, and Stormin Norman back in '91, make Powell less 'conservative?'

Please tell us how Powell and Rice are 'far from conservatives.'

Hey, thanks.
 

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I guess that's in response to my post.

Condi? I'd have a very hard time supporting because her only real experience would have been with W. My point, though, was that she'd get some play in 2012 if things happened differently.

Powell? I would have voted for him in 2000, 2004, 2008 and would in any other year that he were to choose to run. He has a sober, realistic view of when, and when not to, commit our troops and to what extent. He is also politically savvy, which is huge in the scheme of things. He goes back to the Reagan admin, he's had jobs in the Pentagon, obviously, but also much experience as a civilian NSA.

Weasel,

If you would, please back up your comment that 'they're both far from conservatives.' Thanks.

If you mean that Powell didn't rubber stamp this current occupation in Iraq, execpt somewhat under coercion at the UN, then just say it, but I must have missed his policy statements. Or Condi's, I guess. All she's done is glom onto whatever w has said for the last 8 years.

And on that note, where does being a dissenter to an action that was opposed by himself, Cheney, 41, and Stormin Norman back in '91, make Powell less 'conservative?'

Please tell us how Powell and Rice are 'far from conservatives.'

Hey, thanks.

hey!!..welcome back......glad to see you`re on the green side of the grass...

thought i was addressing you?....and i thought i was paranoid....:D

just cause you`re paranoid doesn`t mean they`re not out to get you.....eh?;)

i`m a kosar guy....:shrug:

don`t like colon`s stance on gitmo or the waterboarding issue.....he wants to give the terrorists legal rights afforded the average american criminal here in the states..never done before in time of war.......he was softer than reagan on the ussr during the cold war....and he`s known to be not so staunch on big government issues....

he`s not a loyal conservative,imo...

you could make an argument that rice has some conservative street cred,but,condi`s sorta clueless on the middle east(wants israel to give unreasonabklle concessions and territory knowing that hamas will just use the territory to launch strikes deeper into israel)) regardless of the consequences ......

hope that helps a little...

remember...nothing wrong with being paranoid...perfect paranoia=perfect awareness....

don`t be such a stranger...
 

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This country is not ready for a black president or a woman president. I think conservatives will get out and vote for McCain. If the dems win we are in big trouble:mj08: We will be the laughingstock of the world and terrorists will be loving it. Also, make sure if the liberals win divest every dime you have in the stock market and move to cash, taxes will go up 50%, scary isn't it?

I have not read this thread, but I will. I just wanted to start with the fact the you are the DUMBEST FVCKER ON MADJACKS EVER. I HAVE NO TOLERANCE FOR YOUR IDIOCY.
 

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just so you know what you are

id?i?ot /ˈɪdiət/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[id-ee-uht] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
?noun 1. an utterly foolish or senseless person.
2. Psychology. a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.

I am just getting started with your dumb ass.
 

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stu?pid /ˈstupɪd, ˈstyu‑/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[stoo-pid, styoo‑] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, -er, -est, noun
?adjective 1. lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.
2. characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless: a stupid question.
3. tediously dull, esp. due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless


ok, now I am going to read what has been written.
 
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