Okay, so I have cancer. THAT's different.

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Nothing is more therapeutic than having a strong mental attitude and knowing that hundreds, many of us that you do not even know, stand behind you.

I'd wish you luck but you don't need it. You will beat this and thrive. :toast:
 

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chadman, really sorry to hear of your news... I wish you and your family the very best through these hard times...

If you need anything, anything at all please don't hesitate to ask...
 

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bud...you can think,"damn..i have to go through a surgery and the recuperation and all the other pain in the ass stuff that it involves"....

or,you can think,"i`m pretty damned smart for going to the doctor and getting my regular check up.....looks like i very welll may be around for another 30 years or so because i did what i was supposed to"....

you`re a smart dude.....:toast:
 

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Chadman....

I really admire the fact that you came here to open up your feelings. It's not something everyone feels comfortable doing. I commend you for that.

It certainly sounds like you are a fighter and have the right attitude about things. Keep that up and things will work out well. I honestly believe that.

The Madjack fraternity is a great place, and you are certainly among friends.


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You're a good man and will beat this bump in the road. Don't forget you have people that love you and want you to stay here for a long time :0074
Better days are ahead so don't even sweat this Chad :toast:
 

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In the spirit of Thanksgiving - thanks so much for all of your best wishes. Despite my situation, I have so much to be thankful for, including all of you who I consider my friends.

An update: Wife and I met with the urologist this morning. Side note: he had a med student with him and he told us that she would be joining us today, if that's alright. Wow... how presumptuous, really, but in the big picture, I couldn't have cared much less. I know the value of that kind of situation for students, and it didn't change anything. Just off-putting, ya know? For those keeping score at home, yes, she was attractive. And she looked sick most of the meeting, can't imagine how out of place she must have felt. I said it was fine that she was there, and I didn't consider her again after the discussion.

Here are the specifics. Clearly, I was ignorantly optimistic, but in the big picture, I'm lucky in some ways. Other ways, not so much. Urologist is recommending surgery to remove the prostate. He does not consider any other option to be worthy of consideration, other than a procedure that is done by a colleague of his in Minneapolis that does some kind of precise, directed treatment (it escapes me now) that he would fly with us to Mexico and have it done. It's relatively quick, precise, and in his words "your on the beach in the afternoon," with great results. He said it was commonplace in other countries, just not officially approved here by the FDA. Maybe covered by insurance, maybe not - probably so, but not assured. Total cost runs about $25K. So, essentially I put off buying a new car for a couple of years, right?

Clearly, plenty of things to be concerned about with all of this. I'm frustrated because the only real option he offered me was the removal of prostrate option. For those of you scoring at home, that means a legitimate 50/50 chance I would face pissing myself for the rest of my life and wearing diapers - AND - not having any more erections. I think we can all agree, those are not remotely positive options, despite the whole "choose life" option. His rationale was I'm relatively young, it's the best chance to remove the cancer and not have concerns later. He said other options (plenty of them) were not recommended by him or any other doctor (he would hope) in dealing with the cancer.

Issues I am having a hard time with. His suggestion of removal of prostate means almost certain removal of the cancer, which is good. But, percentages show in this scenario, cancer will reappear in about 8 years in about 20% of all patients. And, I run a 50/50 chance of not being able to control my urination and not having erections for the rest of my life, with those things in place.

I don't know what the other option success scenarios are, how fast the cancer could come back with them, how probable cancer could come back overall with each scenario. There are multiple options, including doing nothing at all.

The numbers I can relate: The biopsy procedure showed cancer in one of 12 biopsies. The amount of prostate showing cancer is 2% or less. Prostate cancer is slow moving, and the best cancer to have from a controllable standpoint. I don't know for sure when cancer came on in my body, so impossible to know if it will be non-slow-or-fast moving from here on out. It's possible I could do nothing and be fine. Not something that I would really entertain in the big picture, but compared to a 50/50 piss yourself with no erections future in a couple of months, I assure you it's a part of my thought process. Evidently the cancer stage is low on the low-mid-high ranking system. I think he said it was very low. I think you're starting to see my quandary...

We'll know for sure about our insurance coverage hopefully soon after the holiday weekend, which will remove the ultimate cost concerns. But we have a lot of work to do in considering all options. My wife is awesome about getting things accomplished with people. I'm great with the soft approach - she is great with the in-your-face I need answers now approach. So, I defer to her in these situations. We're going to try very hard to get into the Mayo Clinic here, but that is not easy to accomplish. There is no place better for this kind of thing, from what I know. My sister was there, and they did amazing things for her.

I post all this, not to keep the sympathy train going (which I do appreciate - thanks to all of you for your well wishes), but to gain information and knowledge from the MadJack's community. I know there are plenty of people who have dealt with cancer and some who work in the medical field and can have some valuable opinions.

We have some serious, tough decisions to make. In the BIG picture, I am fortunate. In the smaller picture - THIS SUCKS. Thanks for the opportunity to ramble on this and ask for opinions and info you folks have. Any input is very welcome, and thanks for your time. I consider all of you my friends, and know how powerful this community really is.

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving with your friends and families - or just yourself. Thanks again for your well wishes.
 

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he would fly with us to Mexico and have it done. It's relatively quick, precise, and in his words "your on the beach in the afternoon," with great results

No brainer :shrug:

It almost sounds like he's selling this.

I might be getting more opinions after this one, like right now. Pain in the ass, this whole thing, but you want answers.

All the best, Chad.
 

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No brainer :shrug:

It almost sounds like he's selling this.

I might be getting more opinions after this one, like right now. Pain in the ass, this whole thing, but you want answers.

All the best, Chad.

Definitely get multiple opinions which was my advice in a previous post. You need to know all options available. Good luck Chad.
 

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Sorry to hear about this hurdle Chad. Count me in as part of team Chad. I'll try and do a little investigating around here, a top of the line medical community. We got pretty close to the cancer doctors here this summer.

That Mexico thing looks like something I would try, but that is just me. I hope you get more answers soon!
 

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Damn Chad, going to Mexico to have a common place procedure???

Neighbor of mine had a PSA of 86.4 right 86.4 I saw the papers from the DR. He had radiation with no side effects and is fine now.

You need to go to a different urologist.

What was your PSA?
 

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Good luck Chad and don't think twice about posting!!! It's like a family on here and most of the posters care alot about everyone. Get a 2nd view and GL
 

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Thanks for the input and thoughts. Trust me - we will be THOROUGHLY looking at everything and checking as many options as we have. I also subscribe to the "trust no one" theory and yet trust everyone in many ways.

Morris: yes, I understand the go to Mexico concern - I have it big time. When I say it's a common place procedure, I meant (from what he told me) that it was common place in other countries, but not here because it is not approved here yet by the FDA - which is not necessarily a bad thing in many cases. But I do share the concern about the whole thing - not my preference, but it could be a possibility. We have the info to check into it, and will. The reason my urologist mentioned it was because he was close with the doctor that does this procedure, and that doctor practices at a major hospital in Minneapolis, and is extremely reputable. It would be expensive, but evidently this doctor would be with us every step of the way, which is interesting. Not saying it's a better option mentally at this point, just saying, it's in the initial mix of thinking. I'm not afraid of trying something, within reason, if it makes some sense.

Jack: Yes, it seemed that he was very forthcoming with this info. He said that if it was approved here, he would be looking strongly at the procedure in his practice. But, I don't know his motivations, the ties with the other doctor, etc. I know what could be at work in most info Im given from prospective "care givers" these days. Hopefully, I'm not stupid and naive at the wrong time. I don't think I will be. The thing that ticks me off - I know that a lot of people would immediately react to the best thing they could possibly hear in these situations, without having the ability to think about things. I don't doubt I would lean to the best "sounding" thing that I hear, but I hope I keep my sensibilities about me.

Ray: Thanks for your kind words.

Rick: You are on the money. We have to educate ourselves and strongly ask questions. Trust me, my wife is wonderful at this. I'll ask question off the beaten track, to get a read on people when they are reacting in an unfamiliar way. I think it's a great way to see what you're really dealing with.

KC: Thanks for the "local" connection. You're still in KC, right? I grew up in Springfield, spent a ton of time in KC, and love that area. I know there's a lot of top notch facilities there. I'm hopeful we can get into the Mayo Clinic up here, it doesn't get any better than that, I know. We'll be trying. Any info from your connections is VERY welcome.

Man, I love this place. Thanks to all - and have a wonderful Thanksgiving, wherever you are.
 

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chad...my dr. visit was cancelled...i go on the 10th of december..some sort of emergency...i didn`t forget you...

first off,i`d go and thank my g.p. for finding the nodule......

second,i`d seriously check into the mexico thing....guessing it`s a laser procedure...a little odd,though.......seems like every swinging dick from canadian governmental officials to saudi shieks come to america for treatment....

before i`m going on a field trip to mexico,i`m finding out the name of the prodedure and digging up as much info as possible...including a second opinion...and as much info as possible about the facility i`m having the procedure done at...

prognosis sounds good....imo,wearing a fricking depends isn`t the worst thing could ever happen to a person........and it`s only a 50% chance......i`ve read theres a good chance that won`t happen...but,doctors have to inform you of the worst case scenario...

i know it`s not like hitting the lottery,but all things considered,your prognosis sounds pretty good...

i`d like to ask what others have asked....what was your psa?......

when i see my guy,i`ll ask him about the mexico thing and what kind of success he`s had with full prostatectomies ....

dude,you`re in your 40`s....iyou`ve got a long way to go...don`t fricking cut corners...

pulled this up...pretty interesting and it `s at the cornell medical ctr in n.y...sounds like something you might be interested in reading...

http://www.nycrobotics.com/what_is_art.asp?gclid=CNHfmdX-uqUCFcTb4Aodr0MLXw

http://www.weillcornell.org/aktewari/index.html


""Robotic prostatectomy patients are generally discharged after one day.""



high success and with minimal impact on bodily functions...short hospital stay.....and you can contact his offiice via e mail..

keep us posted...
 
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You guys keep asking, and I've forgotten to answer, about the PSA number. VERY important, as I'm learning. I swear to you, I think the number is (as I recall from all the info) around 2.3. Which is (as I understand it) not even to the concerning point when determining how serious prostrate cancer is in the initial test.

I could be wrong, but the urologist was talking about those numbers, and if it was 10 or 20, then they'd be looking more seriously about things, etc.

I think it's 2.3 or so. Which, again, seems to me to be very low, along with the percentage of my cancer in the prostrate which is 2 percent or so. Maybe less, maybe more. I apologize if my numbers are as low as they seem to be and I should not be worried because of them. But I have nothing to go on, that's why I'm posting. And I've had too many people around me deal with it, and die from it. And so it goes...

I am going to have to have a good reason for ANYONE to take out my prostrate right now, but I do have to at least respect my care giver at first discussion. I know he has to protect himself in many ways, but I do respect his reasoning, too.

Soooo much to deal with. We'll figure it out. Wease - great post, thanks for the thoughts, and will check out those links.
 

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Wease, I clicked on the link, - it's amazing how the first one was so targeted at my main initial concerns. If I have any choice in this matter, I want someone working on me that is thinking the entire time that "we're going to save this guy's important stuff" while we're performing this procedure. Instead of, I can operate, but it's 50/50 whether you have that stuff after. Who knows what we can look into, but I appreciate the info and possible options.
 

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Chad, I got a phone call from my Dr in July and he said my PSA was 4.5 and he said I should see a urologist. I made the appt. and he put me on antibiotics for 21 days. The next psa and visit was 3.7.

He said go another bout with the antibiotics and wait 3 months. I went last Mon and my psa was 2.4. He said great see you in 6 months.

Just giving you info man. Your psa is lower than mine.
 

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Chad, I got a phone call from my Dr in July and he said my PSA was 4.5 and he said I should see a urologist. I made the appt. and he put me on antibiotics for 21 days. The next psa and visit was 3.7.

He said go another bout with the antibiotics and wait 3 months. I went last Mon and my psa was 2.4. He said great see you in 6 months.

Just giving you info man. Your psa is lower than mine.

Morris you think his doctor is up front with Chad since his psa is that low. This would bring a red flag up for me go seek more opinions Chad won't hurt to do so.
 
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